I tried single player one time and died and stopped and started regretting my decision.
Tried it again coop with some friends and it the game became insanely fun. This game is a coop game - the single player is secondary. There is nothing like holding off all of the hordes and everyone is running to the chopper and dying screaming GET TO THE CHOPPER! Tank knocks one guy off the roof, one guy is out of ammo and meleeing his way till he goes down, another guy goes down and then the last person finally makes it and you win. I swear it was like killing ragnaros all over again we all screamed and yelled. Then versus mode playing as the zombies is fun as well.
I've found joining the Penny Arcade group you can get a full game going in one or two minutes with good players in the chat room. Just drop in and join a game.
Tried it again coop with some friends and it the game became insanely fun. This game is a coop game - the single player is secondary. There is nothing like holding off all of the hordes and everyone is running to the chopper and dying screaming GET TO THE CHOPPER! Tank knocks one guy off the roof, one guy is out of ammo and meleeing his way till he goes down, another guy goes down and then the last person finally makes it and you win. I swear it was like killing ragnaros all over again we all screamed and yelled. Then versus mode playing as the zombies is fun as well.
I've found joining the Penny Arcade group you can get a full game going in one or two minutes with good players in the chat room. Just drop in and join a game.
Zenoth
Diamond Member
- Jan 29, 2005
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They removed the Demo so I don't know how they expect me to pay for it without trying it. So I'll wait until it costs around $20 or $30... then I'll buy it... maybe. If such a price tag occurs, but if it takes around two years to get there then, by then another game will get my attention and I'll just forget about it, probably. I'll see when that day comes.
Same. I've been busy so I hear about the game like yesterday, and it's taken offline. Screw them.
Sniper rifle is extremely useful. If you haven't found a use for it, you haven't been playing on the higher difficulties or possibly Vs.
On higher difficulties such as expert, you need to have a ton of coordination. I like operating in teams of two where each pair runs with a shotgun for hoard suppression and the second player runs with either an assault or hunting riffle so the group ends up with 2 shotties and one of each rifle. One pair will pave the way, the other covers the entire groups six and does general mop up. The reason to operate in pairs is as simple as a buddy system - one player gets into trouble (pinned by hunter/smoker, etc...), the other is always there to bail them out.
The sniper rifle is awesome as a support weapon because you can free a pinned teammate even if they aren't close, so the sniper can cover even members of the other pair. Smoker grab someone? Sniper has the best chance of seeing and shooting the smoker before anyone else. Also, if the smoker is still somewhat out of sight, the sniper has the best chance (highest accuracy) of shooting and breaking the tongue binding the pinned player.
Other obvious sniper rifle advantages?
- 1 shot kill on all regular infected no matter where you hit them, even on expert.
- shots can go through zombies - excellent for when hoards are lined up and rushing at you.
- as powerful as the shotgun, but the effect isn't spread out...which leads to...
- sniper rifle is extremely important for taking out witches and tanks: the sniper shoots first, startling the witch, but keeps on shooting while the other players can unload with combat shotguns and assault rifles while the witch charges the sniper who can be very far away. Same goes for the tank - the Sniper can engage the tank and dish out the most damage shot for shot whilst the other players distract the tank. One strategy to deal with tanks (especially the last fights where you always have access to the super weapons) is to have every one switch to the rifles so that they can all engage the tank from safer distances - once the tank commits to attacking a certain player, that players ceases to attack the tank, which will eventually get annoyed and start attacking someone who is attacking him. Once the player who was being chased is freed from the tank's attention, that player can go back to attacking...rinse and repeat. Granted, the safest way to engage the tank is by setting it on fire and waiting for it to burn to death, however if there are no gas cans or molotovs around (especially since you have to fight two tanks in the end fights) you might have to resort to such tactics.
Of course that all leads back to why the game might not be so fun for many...there's not a chance in hell you'll get that level of coordination out of anyone other than a fairly close group of friends and lots of experience playing together.
Although I do find myself enjoying the occasional group of strangers I help coordinate into a decently successful team: I joined a group in the middle of a game of Blood Harvest on expert. It was on the corn field and they were talking about how they hated trudging through the cornfield because of the huge hoard ambush that would always get them. Once I got there, I shared a new strategy with them that I thought up on the spot: have 3 players wait up on the ridge right before the field, send one into the fields as bait and set off the ambush, of which once that is triggered, the bait runs back to the protection of their teammates on the ridge, forcing the hoards into a bottleneck on either side, easily decimated by the combat shotguns and rifles.
I can understand it to a certain degree - demos can often be good enough on their own to prevent players from paying for the full game, especially if a community can take root and find ways to expand the play beyond what is made available (adding new maps and content). Obvious Valve doesn't want to have to keep updating a demo to prevent people from do this, so they killed it upon the full game's release.
However, knowing Valve, there is bound to be "free to play" trial weekends as well as trail invites payed players will get to hand out, so you'll have to sit tight until you can experience either one.
On higher difficulties such as expert, you need to have a ton of coordination. I like operating in teams of two where each pair runs with a shotgun for hoard suppression and the second player runs with either an assault or hunting riffle so the group ends up with 2 shotties and one of each rifle. One pair will pave the way, the other covers the entire groups six and does general mop up. The reason to operate in pairs is as simple as a buddy system - one player gets into trouble (pinned by hunter/smoker, etc...), the other is always there to bail them out.
The sniper rifle is awesome as a support weapon because you can free a pinned teammate even if they aren't close, so the sniper can cover even members of the other pair. Smoker grab someone? Sniper has the best chance of seeing and shooting the smoker before anyone else. Also, if the smoker is still somewhat out of sight, the sniper has the best chance (highest accuracy) of shooting and breaking the tongue binding the pinned player.
Other obvious sniper rifle advantages?
- 1 shot kill on all regular infected no matter where you hit them, even on expert.
- shots can go through zombies - excellent for when hoards are lined up and rushing at you.
- as powerful as the shotgun, but the effect isn't spread out...which leads to...
- sniper rifle is extremely important for taking out witches and tanks: the sniper shoots first, startling the witch, but keeps on shooting while the other players can unload with combat shotguns and assault rifles while the witch charges the sniper who can be very far away. Same goes for the tank - the Sniper can engage the tank and dish out the most damage shot for shot whilst the other players distract the tank. One strategy to deal with tanks (especially the last fights where you always have access to the super weapons) is to have every one switch to the rifles so that they can all engage the tank from safer distances - once the tank commits to attacking a certain player, that players ceases to attack the tank, which will eventually get annoyed and start attacking someone who is attacking him. Once the player who was being chased is freed from the tank's attention, that player can go back to attacking...rinse and repeat. Granted, the safest way to engage the tank is by setting it on fire and waiting for it to burn to death, however if there are no gas cans or molotovs around (especially since you have to fight two tanks in the end fights) you might have to resort to such tactics.
Of course that all leads back to why the game might not be so fun for many...there's not a chance in hell you'll get that level of coordination out of anyone other than a fairly close group of friends and lots of experience playing together.
Although I do find myself enjoying the occasional group of strangers I help coordinate into a decently successful team: I joined a group in the middle of a game of Blood Harvest on expert. It was on the corn field and they were talking about how they hated trudging through the cornfield because of the huge hoard ambush that would always get them. Once I got there, I shared a new strategy with them that I thought up on the spot: have 3 players wait up on the ridge right before the field, send one into the fields as bait and set off the ambush, of which once that is triggered, the bait runs back to the protection of their teammates on the ridge, forcing the hoards into a bottleneck on either side, easily decimated by the combat shotguns and rifles.
I can understand it to a certain degree - demos can often be good enough on their own to prevent players from paying for the full game, especially if a community can take root and find ways to expand the play beyond what is made available (adding new maps and content). Obvious Valve doesn't want to have to keep updating a demo to prevent people from do this, so they killed it upon the full game's release.
However, knowing Valve, there is bound to be "free to play" trial weekends as well as trail invites payed players will get to hand out, so you'll have to sit tight until you can experience either one.
Anubis
No Lifer
i honestly know absoutly nothing about the game 100% nothing, so yes i am not into it
what is it a FPS?
what is it a FPS?
KMFJD
Lifer
- Aug 11, 2005
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Originally posted by: pontifex
how would it be me? i like lots of games and have said it multiple times. i've even posted a thread with a big list of games that i liked, yet you guys say the same thing every time.
explain how it's me...
Games Pontifex likes....
I just think games are going the easy route these days and settling for least common denominator type development.
L4D is too simplistic and too shallow to be anything but a passing fancy.
At its core its another crappy shooter with some coop built in.
nothing new.. nothing ground breaking.
I seriously think gamers today have less standards on gameplay than ever before in the past.
throw some blood.. throw some guns..(swords maybe too) and throw a solid multiplayer component in.. and boom instant best seller.. whatever happened to the golden age of gaming.. Sierra and Lucas Arts and SpaceQuest and Day of the Tentacle.. etc.. now its just another tired game with guns and blood.. sigh..
Yes the multi runs great.. yes its smooth... but shooting zombies over and over and over.. does not a good game.. OR MOVIE make..
L4D is too simplistic and too shallow to be anything but a passing fancy.
At its core its another crappy shooter with some coop built in.
nothing new.. nothing ground breaking.
I seriously think gamers today have less standards on gameplay than ever before in the past.
throw some blood.. throw some guns..(swords maybe too) and throw a solid multiplayer component in.. and boom instant best seller.. whatever happened to the golden age of gaming.. Sierra and Lucas Arts and SpaceQuest and Day of the Tentacle.. etc.. now its just another tired game with guns and blood.. sigh..
Yes the multi runs great.. yes its smooth... but shooting zombies over and over and over.. does not a good game.. OR MOVIE make..
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Under pressure from a few friends, and helped by the fact that it's only $39 at Circuit City, I picked up the PC version last night. As I thought, the other movies were just more of the same that we saw in the demo. I have to say, Versus mode was pretty awesome, although it sucks that you're so weak as a zombie. I never got to be the tank.
Why the hell are you comparing L4D to adventure games? The genres have nothing in common. One thrives on new material, one thrives on flawless execution, and L4D has the latter it in abundance. I'm guessing you're just not a fan of multiplayer.
Only played the demo, seems like a fun game. Not sure if it is $50 fun, I will defintely buy when it goes down to the $30 range. If I had more online buddies to co-op with then I guess it would be worth it to buy at its current price. I'm not a big fan of co-op with strangers.
I didn't know much about it either until a week ago. Now, I know it's an FPS co-op where you kill hordes of zombies trying to move from A to B.
Becasue thats all they release these days.. shooter.. sandbox RPGLITE and more shooters..
the imagination of the gaming industry is gone.
being that your mental capacity cant even comprehend what was written I'd say you are the target audience of L4D.
and another symptom of why today's gamers love these crap games they are mass marketing.
even freaking PONG had more innovation for its time than L4D.. freaking pacman.. was revolutionary.. nothing these days is different.. bullets.. blood.. fighting.. crappy story or none at all. typical crap.
I'm a HUGE multiplayer person.. thats all I play these days.. but its got to have substance.. and L4D has none.. its a simplistic shooter with no depth.
It's just you. The game is awesome! Especially the online play, both VS and campaign.
The destruction you can have on the environments makes it a lot of fun too.
The destruction you can have on the environments makes it a lot of fun too.
Maximilian
Lifer
- Feb 8, 2004
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Lead your team over to some "omg cool guns!!" in the petrol station on the 3rd part of no mercy, then run away from them and shoot the tanks.
zerocool84
Lifer
- Nov 11, 2004
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Yes it's very simplistic. Go play versus mode and see how simple it is. There are no strategies involved. You just need to run and gun.
Well if you think all new games suck then too bad for you. You just sound like the typical grandparent complaining about all the new things in the world.
Yah.. because with all this technology they still churn out shit..
and I have played multi.. it blows..
oh and BTW I am old.. so maybe I "just dont get it"
and the name of this thread is "Anyone else just not into L4D?" . so if you do go back to the other thread where all the fanbois are circle jerking over this lukewarm title.
Its luke warm at best.. it has no physics at all.. bullets have no penetration.. its flat out a ripoff of a very simplistic mod that was already FREE.
I personally just don't see it.
Except almost no PC games have a decent co-op, and thus it is ground breaking...and some of the best co-op games in general (Halo) aren't designed specifically for it.
There simply aren't any other FPS games out there that are like this game at all - I don't understand how anyone can make this claim that you and a few minority others keep making. If there are I would love to know about them because I (and apparently the rest of the world) have been missing out on these gems. At the core, yes, you shoot things from a first person perspective, but similarities go way off from there. This isn't guns vs. guns like most. This certainly isn't about realism. This isn't about being "fair". When people play this game like they play other FPSes (very obvious to spot when you observe noobs go rambo and explore every nook and cranny) they get owned and more than likely lead to the downfall of the rest of the team. If this game was so unoriginal, we wouldn't be seeing all these players not knowing how to play properly...
It's hard to tell, but I hope you're being sarcastic. If you are, I think you need to do a better job expressing it.
Apparently, you didn't read my post either. L4D is not great because of its innovation. Yes, co-op has been done before. Yes, zombie survival shooters have been done before. However, they have not been combined in such a polished manner that still feels like a new experience every time it's played. (near flawless execution)
I'm also interested in hearing what MP games you play that so much innovation.
Edit: By the way, if you haven't played the Versus mode yet, you really need to try.
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