Anyone else eagerly awaiting Windows Phone 7?

[MrX8503]

Doesn't it? When did you last use it?

Its been stated by the head of the design team of WP7. Its not going to be supported until later.

 

[coolVariable]

Its been stated by the head of the design team of WP7. Its not going to be supported until later.

And THAT is what has me scared about WP7.
It could be the best mobile OS since sliced bread ... it could be.

 

[Deeko]

Its been stated by the head of the design team of WP7. Its not going to be supported until later.

I'll bet "later" is a lot sooner than the three years it took to come to iOS, though. People act like WP7 is DOA because it lacks a couple of features. Does anyone even remember what iOS and Android lacked feature-wise when they launched, compared to BBOS, WM6, etc?

The OS does a lot of things, and what it does, it appears to do very well. That's a good start.

 

[Bateluer]

The OS does a lot of things, and what it does, it appears to do very well. That's a good start.

While I don't think WP7 is going be Microsoft's savior, I will say one thing for certain; Microsoft has DEEP pockets. They can put a lot of cash behind these phones, BOGO deals, discounted contracts, GiveAway programs, Bing CashBack, etc, to get them into the hands of end users. From there though, the OS better be up to snuff with its competition.

 

[MrX8503]

I'll bet "later" is a lot sooner than the three years it took to come to iOS, though. People act like WP7 is DOA because it lacks a couple of features. Does anyone even remember what iOS and Android lacked feature-wise when they launched, compared to BBOS, WM6, etc?

The OS does a lot of things, and what it does, it appears to do very well. That's a good start.

Hey man I wasn't the one who brought it up. I was merely replying to DBZ.

 

[Deeko]

Hey man I wasn't the one who brought it up. I was merely replying to DBZ.

Uhm...do you just make posts in a vacuum and ignore the context in which they were made? DBZ was replying to you with that post, he didn't come out with it out of the blue.

 

[MrX8503]

Uhm...do you just make posts in a vacuum and ignore the context in which they were made? DBZ was replying to you with that post, he didn't come out with it out of the blue.

DBZ was implying that WP7 had those features on release. Being that its completely false I was just informing him. No where did I say the lack of these features would be the downfall to the platform. You made that up on you're own.

 

[coolVariable]

I'll bet "later" is a lot sooner than the three years it took to come to iOS, though. People act like WP7 is DOA because it lacks a couple of features. Does anyone even remember what iOS and Android lacked feature-wise when they launched, compared to BBOS, WM6, etc?

The OS does a lot of things, and what it does, it appears to do very well. That's a good start.

It does makes one question the intelligence of the people designing and programming the OS.
Who comes up with a mobile OS without copy and paste after the fiasco iOS and Android experienced with their missing copy and paste (last I checked it was still missing in some places in Android ... that is on version 2.2)

 

[DivideBYZero]

DBZ was implying that WP7 had those features on release. Being that its completely false I was just informing him. No where did I say the lack of these features would be the downfall to the platform. You made that up on you're own.

I most certainly was not. I was showing you what was wrong with comparing a virgin OS with one that has had several years of market presence. I was implying, no I was stating, that if your comparison was iPhone OS to WP7, as you yourself compared the 2007 OS to the upcoming WP7, then iPhone OS would be lacking. I pointed out the shortcomings of iPhone OS at launch and what you did was bring up one shortcoming they will have in common.

WP7 compared to iPhone OS v1.x will still end up with WP7 being better, and you yourself put them side by side.

 

[MrX8503]

The iOS released in 2007 was shocking compared to the iOS we have now. No copy/paste, no mutitasking (still doesn't really have that bar 7 "backgrounding" APIs), no MMS, no third party Apps, etc, etc. Comparing WP7 to the original iPhone OS would most likely have WP7 running away with every prize you could offer.

I was saying WP7 doesn't have these features either on release.


WP7 is in it's first version, but it's also 4yrs later. If it wasn't full featured that would be suicide. 2007 was a very long time ago especially in the tech world.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I officially give up discussing anything with you, MrX8503. Everything you post is heavily pro Apple and disparaging of anything else in the mobile phone market. Any mention of how it may be lacking results in a pointless exchange of useless posts based upon your experience of just one platform.

Good day, Sir.

 

[TheStu]

I most certainly was not. I was showing you what was wrong with comparing a virgin OS with one that has had several years of market presence. I was implying, no I was stating, that if your comparison was iPhone OS to WP7, as you yourself compared the 2007 OS to the upcoming WP7, then iPhone OS would be lacking. I pointed out the shortcomings of iPhone OS at launch and what you did was bring up one shortcoming they will have in common.

WP7 compared to iPhone OS v1.x will still end up with WP7 being better, and you yourself put them side by side.

I think he was referring to when you said 'Doesn't it? When did you last use it?'

 

[Deeko]

You kind of did imply it. Someone said there was no copy/paste or multitasking in WP7, to which you replied 'Doesn't it? When did you last use it?' which was mildly clever considering WP7 hasn't been officially released yet. But that could imply that it did have the feature but that this person hadn't actually used the device and therefore shouldn't comment.

I think even that is a valid point, though. While its unlikely there are major changes to the system, none of us have seen a final build of WP7 on final hardware, yet everyone seems to be ready and willing to jump to conclusions.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I think even that is a valid point, though. While its unlikely there are major changes to the system, none of us have seen a final build of WP7 on final hardware, yet everyone seems to be ready and willing to jump to conclusions.

This was exactly my point. Who's to say MS aren't sandbagging? Who's to say ANYTHING until we have shipping code on shipping hardware? Anything up until that point is just flinging poo for the sake of flinging poo.

 

[MrX8503]

I officially give up discussing anything with you, MrX8503. Everything you post is heavily pro Apple and disparaging of anything else in the mobile phone market. Any mention of how it may be lacking results in a pointless exchange of useless posts based upon your experience of just one platform.

Good day, Sir.

You thought WP7 had those features. I'm just saying there isn't an article/prototype anywhere that shows WP7 having these features as of yet. Instead of admitting to it, you say "I'm done with you". Thats really mature.

I've never owned a BB, but I've owned WinMo, Android, and iOS. You don't have a clue of my experience. Just because I prefer a platform that doesn't mean I'm incapable of logical discussion.

If you don't think that is possible, I could say the same to you for preferring BB. Its a two way street buddy.

I think even that is a valid point, though. While its unlikely there are major changes to the system, none of us have seen a final build of WP7 on final hardware, yet everyone seems to be ready and willing to jump to conclusions.

This was exactly my point. Who's to say MS aren't sandbagging? Who's to say ANYTHING until we have shipping code on shipping hardware? Anything up until that point is just flinging poo for the sake of flinging poo.

No one has seen a final build of WP7, but it has been demoed and stated by the head of design of WP7 that it does not have these features. This is what I'm basing my info off of. If within the next week the WP7 team decides to add those features at launch, then so be it. For now this is where the information stands.

 

[DivideBYZero]

You thought WP7 had those features.

Of course I didn't. Please stop putting words into my mouth.

 

[JavaMomma]

I got to play with a Win Phone 7 (LG) prototype last week... I have to say I was very impressed, I only got about 10 minutes with it but the bit of playing I did with it ... the UI felt very responsive and clean, the transitions and moving just felt better to then iPhone. Actually I have to say transitions and moving were awesome ... the virtual keyboard was at least IMO as good as the iPhone keyboard (probably better). I liked the look of the OS but I can see why some people won't.

Obviously I didn't get into the deep nitty gritty or make any phone calls but it was nice to see facebook, twitter, gmail, outlook, zune all on there. The other thing I loved about it (I'm a software developer)... development on this thing is amazing - Visual Studio 2010 + Silverlight Also, they're claiming that there will be a lot of games ... Xbox ports...

 

[TheStu]

Any word on whether they will have it sync with a Mac? Or will they use the PC-only Zune software for the syncing? I think they would be wise to offer a painless solution to existing iOS users to port all of their existing data over from iOS/iTunes to WP7/Zune.

 

[Deeko]

I got to play with a Win Phone 7 (LG) prototype last week... I have to say I was very impressed, I only got about 10 minutes with it but the bit of playing I did with it ... the UI felt very responsive and clean, the transitions and moving just felt better to then iPhone. Actually I have to say transitions and moving were awesome ... the virtual keyboard was at least IMO as good as the iPhone keyboard (probably better). I liked the look of the OS but I can see why some people won't.

Obviously I didn't get into the deep nitty gritty or make any phone calls but it was nice to see facebook, twitter, gmail, outlook, zune all on there. The other thing I loved about it (I'm a software developer)... development on this thing is amazing - Visual Studio 2010 + Silverlight Also, they're claiming that there will be a lot of games ... Xbox ports...

Yea the biggest thing I noticed when using a prototype device was how smooth everything was. Really impressive. I also like the dev tools, but then again my current project at work involves Silverlight 4, so its an easy transition...

Any word on whether they will have it sync with a Mac? Or will they use the PC-only Zune software for the syncing? I think they would be wise to offer a painless solution to existing iOS users to port all of their existing data over from iOS/iTunes to WP7/Zune.

I believe its going to use the Zune software to sync. Maybe now they'll port said software to Mac? Don't know.

 

[TheStu]

Yea the biggest thing I noticed when using a prototype device was how smooth everything was. Really impressive. I also like the dev tools, but then again my current project at work involves Silverlight 4, so its an easy transition...



I believe its going to use the Zune software to sync. Maybe now they'll port said software to Mac? Don't know.

My car likes to play tricks on me, let me think that I can have something nice, and then it breaks its clutch or shift linkage, or whatever. So I am using a gen 1 iPhone off contract. WebOS 2.0 looks interesting, but HP better bring the hardware, because I cannot stand the Pre/Pixi. WP7 looks interesting, but Microsoft better let me smoothly transition over from the iPhone otherwise it is a non-starter.

Android... doesn't look interesting to me. Certainly not as my one and only device. If there was an Android PMP I would look into it, and I might try and install Android onto my iPhone when I finally upgrade, but as of now, not my first choice.

I want a screen 3.5">=x<=4.0", a great software keyboard (if it has a hardware one fine, but it better have an iPhone grade software keyboard), and it needs to either sync with OS X or let me port over all my information easily and then cloud sync. I use OS X primarily, and I am not going to boot into Windows or fire up my VM just to connect my phone.

 

[Deeko]

What is it you're concerned about syncing? Contacts I'd imagine aren't a big deal anymore, with exchange and whatnot. For music...well, its going to be tied to the Zune ecosystem, so its will play your MP3s, and it will have "cloud" support there, but probably not what you're looking for. For pictures/videos/etc, we haven't really seen it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if its integrated with Windows Live services, like Android is with Picasa.

(side note - have you used the Windows Live picture galleries/skybox cloud hosting? It surprised me, its actually really nice)

I personally hate almost every software keyboard I've ever used, but the one on the WP7 dev device was solid. Better than stock Android (or Better Keyboard from the market), better than HTC_IME.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I would love to see Zune software on the Mac as well.

 

[TheStu]

What is it you're concerned about syncing? Contacts I'd imagine aren't a big deal anymore, with exchange and whatnot. For music...well, its going to be tied to the Zune ecosystem, so its will play your MP3s, and it will have "cloud" support there, but probably not what you're looking for. For pictures/videos/etc, we haven't really seen it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if its integrated with Windows Live services, like Android is with Picasa.

(side note - have you used the Windows Live picture galleries/skybox cloud hosting? It surprised me, its actually really nice)

I personally hate almost every software keyboard I've ever used, but the one on the WP7 dev device was solid. Better than stock Android (or Better Keyboard from the market), better than HTC_IME.

I sync music, videos, podcasts, address book, calendars and photos.

I can export almost all of those things, but if Microsoft were to release Zune for Mac, and it included a way to do that painlessly and in one click, or could just read the files directly, that would be a boon. I have not checked out the Windows Live cloud thing, I heard about it, but hadn't looked at it yet. Maybe this weekend, I will be in Windows most of the time anyway, Civ 5!!!

 

[zerocool84]

You guys think what you want and think it's mudslinging but other that phones didn't have those features were ages ago. Even one year is an eternity in cellphone land. I will not look at a phone that doesn't have basic smartphone features in this day and age. No multi-tasking, no tethering, no copy/paste. It's not like WE are the ones saying that it doesn't have it, these are coming from the Windows Phone 7 people themselves. You cannot "sandbag" a cellphone's specs, especially the way competition is.

 

[Nebor]

Just came out that WP7 will not have any tethering at all. WTF. I've been holding out for this?!