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OldSpooky

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WiMAX and WMANs

I actually find Wireless networking more interesting. I can't wait till there are ubiquitous high speed wireless networks everywhere, so I won't ever have to use a crummy dialup connection again!

802.16 is the number to watch.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: EumSpliffum

Question... I'm not sure if I'm the only one that feels this way, but-- as far as clock speeds go, Intel has AMD beat. But performance per clock cycle is a different matter, am I wrong? The Opteron 3200+ clocked at 2.2GHz competes quite well with Intel's 3.2GHz processor. If you compare Intel's 2.2 with the 3200+, there is a clear winner. Is it just my imagination or no?
That is a useless argument that goes nowhere. Yes if AMD could run an Opteron or Athlon XP at 3.2 GHz it would blow away the Intel chips - BUT AMD CANNOT DO THAT. Lets just turn it around:

As far as performance per clock cycle goes, AMD has Intel beat. But frequency is a different matter, am I wrong? The 2.2 GHz Opteron competes quite well with Intel's 3.2 GHz processor. If only there was a 3.2 GHz Intel processor with the Opteron's IPC, there would be a clear winner. Is it just my imagination or no?

See how the exact same argument can supposedly show that Intel would be far in the lead? If Intel could run a 3.2 GHz P4 at the Opteron or Athlon XP IPC it would blow away the AMD chips - BUT INTEL CANNOT DO THAT.

It is the combination of the two that matters - the individual parts are irrelavant. We cannot pick and choose the best from both companies and then say the result means that one company is better or worse.

 

buleyb

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I think if we could combine intels architecture, and AMDs clock speeds, then we'd have it made...
hehe ;)
 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
The surf here in Va Beach is so weak even skinny little kids on boogie boards can't catch a decent ride. Much less full grown men. :( I miss the west coast in that regard.
When the noreasters or a hurricane or tropical storm is brewing out there you get some great surf up your way though.
 

DurocShark

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Well it's good to see you brudda! :) How's the surf?
Like the computer hardware news . . . weak in SoCal . . . :(

Anway . . . it's still surf and I'll be heading to La Jolla later today . . . Howz Florida? (one of my friends just moved there from Hawaii . . . )[/quote]

HB's no better either. :( But take what ya can get. Good surf for teaching my 12yo tho... heh

Everything now seems to be: "Throw a buttload of money at your computer and you'll have one 10% faster! Woot!"

I mean, c'mon, there's no reason at all for me to upgrade my XP 2000+ AIW 8500DV rig. I could probably go from 150 fps to 250.
rolleye.gif
I don't even hardly play games anymore. Maybe I could cut my rendering times from 30 sec to 20. But I'd have to spend another grand. No thanks.

Maybe that's why:
  • Case mods are so popular
  • HTPC is the only "killer app" around (yawn)
  • I've been spending so much time hacking my iOpener and Webplayer and considering getting back into the C= stuff....

I love hardware. Much more than software. Especially if there are hacks or mods I can do to it. But it's getting harder and harder to find something interesting to do.

Sigh...

Back to the beach for me.
 

tweeve

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Yea i agree there is a lag here. I just built a kicking system for less than $1800. the problem that i find now is that i just put a Radon 9100 PCI in my friends system and it is working great, he even has better graphics than my Gefoce 2, Im just waiting for spring for PCI express to come out. "PLEASE COME OUT THEN" so i can RAID a bunch of drives and not max out the PCI bus :) I cant wait till the presscot comes out i hate my 1.3Ghz P4. It needs to be faster and im to cheap to get a new mobo to get a P4 2.8c.
 

EumSpliffum

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dullard: I was not setting my post up for an argument... I was merely asking a question and stating a comment at the same time.
 

mt3580

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I think new hardware comes out tooooooo quickly. Before we get excited about something a new version of THAT things is on its way.

Remember back in the days when 9700pro was a big deal but then before we know it 9800pro was on its way. And now everyone is jumping onboard for a p4C stuff while prescott is on its way. Load of dump, how much money does the manufactor think we the consumer have? 400+ for a freaking video card, not to mention THAT 400+ dollars will be divided by half within few months.

Not to be rude, but for those who likes to show off their hardware, what's the point? do we really care? couple of months later your "show off" will be less than half of what you paid for and the new stuff that is on its way will most likely not be compatible with what you have now.

my 2 cents.
 

Malladine

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Originally posted by: mt3580
I think new hardware comes out tooooooo quickly. Before we get excited about something a new version of THAT things is on its way.

Remember back in the days when 9700pro was a big deal but then before we know it 9800pro was on its way. And now everyone is jumping onboard for a p4C stuff while prescott is on its way. Load of dump, how much money does the manufactor think we the consumer have? 400+ for a freaking video card, not to mention THAT 400+ dollars will be divided by half within few months.

Not to be rude, but for those who likes to show off their hardware, what's the point? do we really care? couple of months later your "show off" will be less than half of what you paid for and the new stuff that is on its way will most likely not be compatible with what you have now.

my 2 cents.
All true enough. The only question should be: does your rig run the games you want to play, the way you want to play them? What would hardware be without software to run on it? Hardware just gets us to what's really important: games (and awesome cinematics) ;)
 

FacelessNobody

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Originally posted by: jbond04
Originally posted by: NFS4
Just seems as though nothing really INTERESTING is happening anymore these days. Everything seems rather ho-hum. I mean graphics cards are already fast as hell, processor speeds jump every few months or so, but things just don't seem as "frantic" as they were back in the old Athlon vs PIII battles or Voodoo 5 5500 vs GF2 GTS.

:(

Just go out and do what I did: get a job with a technology company! (I'm currently an engineering intern at HP here in Corvallis, OR) R&D is great stuff...working on technology the consumer won't see for years. Just because the economy is poor doesn't mean that innovation isn't happening. If anything, companies like Intel and HP are "inventing" their way out of the recession...there are truly some AWESOME things going on behind closed doors. But, of course, no great technology is without the wonderful piece of paper called an NDA.


Sounds cool, jrbond04, and in a way confirms what I think the problem is. I believe poor marketing is the cause of the "lull". First off, some companies are screwing up by "optimizing" their drivers for certain benchmarks and "paper launching" their products months in advance. No one likes to be yanked around, and that's what marketing failures like those do. More importantly, however, I think companies could be doing more to cause a stir. If HP and Intel truly have innovative products on the horizon, they should give us a little taste and get people excited enough to line up at a Best Buy at eight in the morning for their miracle product. Everybody remembers their first time doing something, sometimes regrettably, but we still remember. OpenGL Quake, for example, is fresh in my mind :). Things like NDAs may do a little to discourage competition (which is bad for us end-users anyway) but they take away excitement. And excitement is different than hype, and that seperation seems lost on technology companies today. The excitement is usually in the chase, in what's just ahead, but what's nearly in grasp is only slightly different from what we have. Again, a lack of distinction. Slight increases in benchmark numbers don't mean a whole lot (admittedly they do over time, though) since most of us couldn't tell the difference between a Radeon 9700 Pro and a Radeon 9800 Pro running UT2K3 at optimal settings anyway. If companies truly are able, they need to paint us a different picture and stop thinking us sheep will graze from the same field over and over. Most corporations, however, care more about proliferation than they do about innovation, because the bottom line means more than pushing the envelope :(. Remember, we're customers, not people.
 

grant2

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Originally posted by: SmilinFace it: for the time being hardware has outrun software. It's gonna suck like this till the next killer app comes out.


Uhh you're saying that common hardware can run all available software, run it well, and you say this situation "sucks"??

 

jbond04

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Originally posted by: FacelessNobody
If HP and Intel truly have innovative products on the horizon, they should give us a little taste and get people excited enough to line up at a Best Buy at eight in the morning for their miracle product.

While I can't speak for the whole company, I personally would love to tell you about all of the neat stuff I've seen at HP Corvallis, but I doubt you'd wait in line at Best Buy in the morning...because you'd be there for about the next 5 years. :p The truly neat and amazing things that you guys (consumers) want are out there, but some of them are far enough away that there's a certain amount of discretion that must be used when it comes to divulging information. Not to pick on AMD, but I think they played their Hammer card too early, because it generated a lot of hype, but they weren't able to deliver the product on time, so its reputation has languished. If HP were to promise features early in the development cycle of a product, then not be able to deliver them, it tarnishes their image. I think that to truly blow away the consumer, a company has to create a product that's not only revolutionary, but also be able to release it shortly after its announcement.

Oh...and if you think HP Corvallis just makes printers, you're wrong. ;)
 

buleyb

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If you ask me jbond04, I think this situation sucks even more for you. Not only is the general hardware market in some kind of lull, but you actually know about all this cool futuristic stuff, and know how far away it is. Thats some kind of double-whammy :)
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: jbond04
Originally posted by: FacelessNobody
If HP and Intel truly have innovative products on the horizon, they should give us a little taste and get people excited enough to line up at a Best Buy at eight in the morning for their miracle product.

While I can't speak for the whole company, I personally would love to tell you about all of the neat stuff I've seen at HP Corvallis, but I doubt you'd wait in line at Best Buy in the morning...because you'd be there for about the next 5 years. :p The truly neat and amazing things that you guys (consumers) want are out there, but some of them are far enough away that there's a certain amount of discretion that must be used when it comes to divulging information. Not to pick on AMD, but I think they played their Hammer card too early, because it generated a lot of hype, but they weren't able to deliver the product on time, so its reputation has languished. If HP were to promise features early in the development cycle of a product, then not be able to deliver them, it tarnishes their image. I think that to truly blow away the consumer, a company has to create a product that's not only revolutionary, but also be able to release it shortly after its announcement.

Oh...and if you think HP Corvallis just makes printers, you're wrong. ;)
Are you sure HP is even gonna be around in 5 years? :Q

 

jbond04

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Are you sure HP is even gonna be around in 5 years? :Q

Hahaha. Very sure. Do you have any idea how much HP makes off of printer cartridges alone?
 

astroview

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You know what, I really am too. At least off topic keeps me entertained, but Hardware overall has gotten boring.

Hey you guys forgot to mention PDAs as being fun to watch. The CPU, video card, audio card market has gotten boring. Hard Drives are still a little interesting. So yea, let's hope when we get out of this recession that a new killer app comes out to drive hardware again.

 

jeffrey

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I'm also bored with computer hardware right now. Here is my reason:
I could really use a videocard upgrade, but the newest mainstream graphics chips from ATI and NVIDIA are both slower than the previous generation!

T14600 > FX 5600
9500Pro > 9600Pro

That is ridiculous and BORING.
 

EumSpliffum

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The think I'm most excited about is solid-state mass storage devices... micro-drives and the like.

I'd love to be able to turn my computer ON and be at my desktop (in mere terms of a sec or two), and I'd love to be able to process data all the same... between solid state mass storage and 64-bit processors with 256/512bit video on the horizon... WOW doesn't even describe it.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: jbond04
Originally posted by: apoppin
Are you sure HP is even gonna be around in 5 years? :Q

Hahaha. Very sure. Do you have any idea how much HP makes off of printer cartridges alone?
Yes I do . .. .

However, i asked this question in all seriousness . . . Gateway may not be the ideal partner for HP. ;)

Hardware news (& speculation) is beging to look interesting again (possibly).

 

jbond04

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Are you confusing Gateway with Compaq? I haven't heard about any partnerships with Gateway at all... And while your question is serious, so is my answer: I'm very sure that HP will be around in 5 years.
 

buleyb

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Although I agree, I also bet this is something Enron employees would have said a while back...

it doesn't take much to screw over a business...