Let me guess you are Japanese ? If it were me id sink those whailing ships, and i would have no sympaty at all if those people die.
tyler811
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Four I believe but you can watch them on discovery.com.
This I agree with their cause, Japan taking 894 whales for "research" purposes (sic) is absolute bullshit but they are technically within the limits of international law.
Last season 2 crew members jumped aboard one of the whaling ships and Capt. Paul told the media that they were kidnapped. That guy is a real fucking tool.
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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Why? Though they're amateurs they're willling to risk their lives to fight for something they believe in?
Kudos to them for trying to make a difference. Hopefully, the show will provide the exposure they need to for more donations and the recruitment of more skilled volunteers.
This is the second season for this show and they were the same last year. Did'nt you catch two shows ago where they were ramming thru ice and the hull was bulging in. So the capt with his head up his ass, orders two crew members with their head up their ass down into the the hold to keep an eye on the hull if ice breaks it. There is nothing at all they can do if ice breaches the hull other then drownd in colder then ice water.
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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Kudos to them for trying to make a difference. Hopefully, the show will provide the exposure they need to for more donations and the recruitment of more skilled volunteers.
I hope its worth it to them. Those japanese should be shooting to kill.
Why? They are illegally hunting in an area that the Australian Government has designated as a Whale Sanctuary. So, b/c the Australian Government does not have the resources to enforce it, it's alright?
The Aussie Goverment has no say in what happens in Antartica waters. It is international waters controlled by international law. International law states that countries can take 894 whales for "research purposes"
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Greenpeace has nothing to do with the Sea Sheperd. Capt. Paul was one of the original founders of Greenpeace. When he wanted to step up attacks and use violence the other Founding members of G.P. kicked him out. Then he went on to start Sea Sheperd.
I watched that train-wreck of a show one time. They illegally boarded the whaling boat them claimed they were being taken hostage. The captain needs a harpoon to the face.
I loved the hippie on the commercial "The whalers have stepped up their violence, they're using sonic weapons now"
No shit hippy, they're trying to defend themselves. You're the one stepping up the violence and you need to be dealt with, as in blown out of the water. That's not violence, that's defense.
No shit hippy, they're trying to defend themselves. You're the one stepping up the violence and you need to be dealt with, as in blown out of the water. That's not violence, that's defense.
You cant compare a chicken to a whale. The Japanese have been overfishing the oceon for years. Personally i hate all asains for what they do to animals, yes HATE. The Chinese do really cruel and nasty things to animals for the sake of medicine. Did you know the Chinese keep small bears alive strapped down to keep them from moving while they cut them open and insert tubes into there Intestines. All while keeping them alive so they can harvest the partially digested fecal matter for medicine.
There is alot of other sick things these people do to animals. The Japanese have no right to claim they are doing "RESEARCH" when they kill this many whales every year. It doesnt take 1,000 whales a year to do re-search. So these people as far as i am concerned need to burn at the stake. While i agree Paul Wattson and his 1st and 2nd mate are a little wierd, i agree with what they are doing. Iv considered signing up and volunteering with them when they go out in the arctic doing this.
If i had the money id bring a fleet of ships down there and sink the Japanese whalers, and face the concequences later. Killing Whales is like killing Elephants and Rhino's for there Ivory. Have you ever seen the pictures of the elephants ? Laying dead on the ground with there tusks ripped out ? All in the name of Chinese medicine.
You also made a statement about killing non endangerd whales. The only reason they are killing Mink whales now is because the other whales they usually kill are so endagerd from being overfished that you cant find them anymore and bring in enough numbers. The Japanese already stated this many time. I think thats sickening. Alot of the species in the oceon are endagerd now because of the Japanese overfishing.
Let Darwin sort it out. If the whales are getting caught then they're not evolving well enough. Species go extinct for a reason, a very good reason. It's nature's way of saying "Sorry, you're doing it wrong".
Capt Caveman
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I caught it last night and was instantly intrigued... until I saw how puny their weapons were.
what a waste that was.
what a waste that was.
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I didn't. Whales can't be factory-farmed. I compared hunting certain whales to hunting certain sustainable deer and wildlife.
Says you. So has the US and nearly every other nation. If you refuse to be more specific, it's just veiled racism.
There it is. "ALL" Asians do thos things to animals? Do you have any idea just how big, varied, and diverse Asia is? RUSSIA AND INDIA ARE ASIAN COUNTRIES. Large ethnic groups in India refuse to kill cows and many monks wouldn't hurt a gnat (literally, out of fear with how it impacts the afterlife/reincarnation). Even ignoring that, if you don't think that China, Korea, the Philipines, and Japan have vegetarians and animal rights activists too, as well as people just like you (defending the whales without thought or reason), you are ignorant.
Completely irrelevant. China is a large country with huge lawless regions and thousands of years of tradition which the government can't just change overnight. That said, if you watched the slaughter of any livestock in any country you might call it "cruel and nasty" too. I find that specific practice hard to imagine because the supply would be more sustainable if they just used a tube administered through the rectum of a live and healthy bear, as in colon hydrotherapy in a person. I would assume that a small minority of it is obtained the way you describe but it is used to mobilize sheeple as easily influenced as yourself.
They have every right. Why do you think the limit was set so high? It was set FOR THEM.
So, why do you think the limit is set to 1,000? It's a loophole specifically made so that they can hunt them. You are ignoring the spirit of the law which wanted to allow sustainable Japanese whaling traditions while banning international whaling, which couldn't be regulated/governed.
Killing deer isn't for research, so do deer hunters need to be burned at the stake? Grow up. What makes non-endangered whales so special to you and different from any other game? You have not yet explained why you feel more strongly about the whales' life than the humans nor why you feel that the law supports your viewpoint in any way. It doesn't. The law wasn't made because some people got together and decided that "those nasty Japanese whalers who should be burned at the stake need to be stopped." Why do you feel that your opinions and their actions are supported by a law that has nothing to do with giving them more importance than the lives of other game nor humans? "Awww man. I was OK until they crossed that line drawn by the law that doesn't support my outrage!"
Tool. You are operating on the assumption that these whales just aren't the same as hunting deer. Why aren't you just as empassioned to go stop hunters from hunting deer? Because there's no law against it? Once again, why does the LAW change your fundamental understanding about their "need" to be protected? Other than past history with endangered whales, why is it taboo to kill a whale? Explain yourself.
Murder is OK but hunting isn't? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Moron.
No it isn't. Killing Narwhales (sp?) for their tusks is like that. Killing Sperm whales for their fragrant oil is like that. Neither is like that if the population is sustainable and the rest of the whale isn't wasted. If you can't tell the difference, you are a tool.
So, the Japanese government explains that they responsibly hunt sustainable species because they are sustainable and you hold even that against them? UNREAL.
If you think they'd be harvesting Sperm whales for cosmetics and fragrances if their numbers were higher, you are mistaken. Japanese whaling has existed since before the West's influence and they were not hunting them into extinction because they were hunting for a different reason (food; not riches). It's not good business to hunt anything until the species is threatened, thus, they do not, unlike Western whalers of yore.
Now, there's the whole "climate change is natural" crowd that still has to admit that what we deem "stabile" for now may not survive natural climate change but, AFAIK, these whales will reproduce anywhere and not so rigidly stick to the same feeding/breeding grounds and migratory paths which make the more endangered of them so fragile.
"The only reason they are killing Mink whales now is because the other whales they usually kill are so endagerd from being overfished that you cant find them anymore and bring in enough numbers." This whole statement is infuriatingly dumb on the face of it and assumptive as hell. The "research" hole in the law was MADE FOR THEM. The only reason they are taking in close to the quota allowed is to prevent it from being limited further without need. If it weren't for the laws, they would be whaling LESS. Indeed, the Japanese school system had to throw out many tons of uneaten whale meat a few years ago because the law pressured them into taking more than they needed. The reason for the laws is so that they can restrict international whaling without creating a governing/enforcement body. If a country allows a Sperm whale byproducts industry, they can be fined for allowing illegal whaling or, at the very least, kicked out of whatever powerful governing group made the international ban.
There is nothing wrong with the specific whales that they hunt and they are not violating the spirit of the law.
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I don't know. The trailers that were on during Deadliest Catch made me roll my eyes. "they are equipped with.. a uhh.. audio weapon" - Ohnoes were under attack!
I don't disagree with their cause, but certainly the show trailers didn't interest me.
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