Anybody else unimpressed with new midrange Nvidia GPUs, and much higher MSRP?

[3DVagabond]

There's nothing special about it at all. It doesn't require anything but greed and a willingness to cut your AIB partners' legs off at the knees.

That's what happens when you can hold your "partners" hostage. What can they do about it? If they want to sell their product, and why wouldn't they, they have to put up with it.

something I'm sure these companies haven't thought about is what happens to them if there's no AMD? nVidia won't need them anymore. They've already taken to selling direct to the early adopters. They could just cut them out completely. Truly be like Apple.

 

[Elixer]

Remember, NVIDIA has now totally obsoleted the Maxwell series with its Pascal announcements. NVIDIA is fine because I am sure Maxwell went EOL and they are getting revenue from shipments of GP104 chips to AIB partners, but those AIB partners will suffer if they can't deliver boards to their customers at/near launch day to anybody who wants to shell out for them. Messing with the AIB partners' businesses and being an unreliable supplier is not the way to make friends.

Nvidia's #1 AIB is EVGA, they get the best & biggest allotment.
That has been the pattern for years, no other AIB gets the same deal, so they are already "messing" with the other AIBs, with giving them the scraps.
EVGA would get the most, then ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte then the rest.

The only question that isn't answered is how good are the TMSC yields, and we won't know that until we see the cards finally shipping.

 

[3DVagabond]

Nvidia has directly sold cards before letting AIBs sell. Only difference is, this time, they're charging $100 more for the privilege to do so.

They're also launching 4 days before AMD even announces Polaris... Looks like Nvidia is looking for another year of record profits.

Actually they had better hope that AMD doesn't have anything up their corporate sleeve. Imagine if Polaris is more competitive than they've estimated. AMD could put an entire presentation together vs. Pascal and ruin nVidia's parade. nVidia is actually laying their cards on the table here for everyone to see. They have to be pretty confident.

 

[Elixer]

Actually they had better hope that AMD doesn't have anything up their corporate sleeve. Imagine if Polaris is more competitive than they've estimated. AMD could put an entire presentation together vs. Pascal and ruin nVidia's parade. nVidia is actually laying their cards on the table here for everyone to see. They have to be pretty confident.

Are you saying AMD will have a 'king slayer' card?
Nvidia hasn't actually shown all their cards yet, there was a reason why they didn't show the full specs for both cards.

 

[DDH]

Leak bench of 1080. DX12 Ashes of Singularity:

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/3903fe67-0149-4f65-a903-2720d1264781

1440p. ~47 FPS avg.

Looks like they completed additional runs, 1440p 49.6 fps


Something doesnt seem right with those numbers though. Wasnt running the latest version if that matters? Probably beta drivers

Also, fury scored 44 fps with same settings and same cpu, same version.

Not sure if fury or fury x

 

[Vesku]

Very calm. I'm just saying the concerns you've brought up against Pascal will have 0 effect on Pascal sales. This is just another buttery smooth Nvidia launch with everything going just as an intelligent company would do. One needs to only wait and see for the performance/prices.

It's obvious what consumers will do and how this will play out however.

Buttery smooth? Did you watch the presentation? "Coming in hot!"

I've been thinking it over and my best guess is Nvidia plans were changed up a bit based on info from OEMs and AIBs who also have Polaris samples.

 

[Azix]

Yeah, you're sort of changing the meaning of a paper launch. The cards haven't been reviewed, the specs aren't even fully disclosed.

If you're going to argue NV announcing their cards and demoing em is a paper launch, AMD paper launched Polaris back in February during CES.

AMD did not provide any specs at all. The 1080 is practically launched and even listed on at least one partner site. Just not available.

cant wait for the dx12 benchmarks. I expect they will do very well in dx11 but the dx12 results will be the most telling. AMD is not going to be slowing down on that front so they have to do better.

Looks like they completed additional runs, 1440p 49.6 fps


Something doesnt seem right with those numbers though. Wasnt running the latest version if that matters? Probably beta drivers

Also, fury scored 44 fps with same settings and same cpu, same version.

Not sure if fury or fury x

one run has the fury at ~51. seems to be in that ballpark for the fury cards and 980ti. Above that is usually multiGPU.

They did multiple tests. most consistent is 40 for 4K. I think what most will want to see is the async on/off. I'm willing to bet someone elses money that they don't support it to the point that they gain significantly on performance, based on these results.

 

[3DVagabond]

Are you saying AMD will have a 'king slayer' card?
Nvidia hasn't actually shown all their cards yet, there was a reason why they didn't show the full specs for both cards.

If you read my post you'll see that I never said that at all. I said that nVidia must be supremely confident that AMD doesn't have anything more.

 

[mohit9206]

I feel that Nvidia and AMD are not pushing the graphics performance where it should ideally be today.
A $600 graphics card launched in 2016 on a brand new architecture and process node should ideally be able to achieve 60fps@4K with max quality settings in existing games.
But as it stands they can only manage 1080p@60fps max settings.
Unoptimized PC ports are partly to blame for this but you could also blame AMD/Nvidia for not pushing graphics performance as much as they can.
25% performance increase over a 980Ti for the same price is quite disappointing. Yeah i know this card is a replacement for 980 and not 980Ti but since it is priced the same as 980Ti so it must be compared to 980Ti as well.
25% performance increase on a new architecture and process when ideally it should be 50-60%.

 

[Silverforce11]

25% performance increase over a 980Ti for the same price is quite disappointing.

It's not the same price. What are 980Ti going for today? Custom variants that boost to 1.4ghz out of the box even.

If you want a 1080, it's $699 until custom variants come out sometime later.

Difference Between GTX 1080 'Founder's Edition' & Reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYA-IR2sqTE

 

[mohit9206]

It's not the same price. What are 980Ti going for today? Custom variants that boost to 1.4ghz out of the box even.

If you want a 1080, it's $699 until custom variants come out sometime later.

Difference Between GTX 1080 'Founder's Edition' & Reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYA-IR2sqTE

Ok yeah $699 then. So even more expensive than 980Ti and only 25% additional performance and most of us here thought that Pascal was going to be a big leap over Maxwell.
Super disappointing don't you think?

 

[amenx]

• Every single instance of “Founder's Edition” can be replaced with the word “Reference,” using previous-gen nomenclature. There is not one difference in its market positioning. They are synonymous. NVidia has replaced its “Reference” name with “Founder's Edition.”

• There are not two GTX 1080 models made by nVidia. Only the “Founder's Edition” exists; there is not a cheaper card made by nVidia than the $700 Founder's Edition, which ships first.

• Just to be clear: nVidia is making one official GTX 1080 and one official GTX 1070 model.

• The “Founder's Edition” is not specially binned.

• The “Founder's Edition” is not pre-overclocked.

• This card is not "limited edition," despite its name that would indicate as much, and will run production through the life of the GTX 1080 product line.

There you have it.. If you want a card at "launch" you have to pay 700$ for a stock reference card.

Or you can wait 1-2 months to buy a aftermarket one for 600$

Genuius Nvidia pr marketing :thumbsup:

Guess I was wrong. Thought is was some 'limited edition' type of card. Still it will be overshadowed by AIB $599 versions when those come on stream. My guess there will also be 'reference' based AIB cards for less than the founders ed.

 

[Maverick177]

Fury@1100/570 2 months ago: http://i.imgur.com/9BurPeK.jpg

 

[tential]

Guess I was wrong. Thought is was some 'limited edition' type of card. Still it will be overshadowed by AIB $599 versions when those come on stream. My guess there will also be 'reference' based AIB cards for less than the founders ed.

Of course there will be cards cheaper than the founders edition card. The whole point is that if you want the card, you HAVE to get the founders edition, or wait until Nvidia gives cards to AIBs....

 

[coercitiv]

Of course there will be cards cheaper than the founders edition card. The whole point is that if you want the card, you HAVE to get the founders edition, or wait until Nvidia gives cards to AIBs....

Call it reference card already.

 

[kraatus77]

so the launch price is 699/479, and later it will drop to 599/379 $. just like how 7970 launched at 550$ and later dropped to 480-500$ once 680 came out. the difference is we know how much this cards will drop to.

but just like everyone who remembers 7970's price being 550, i'll remember 1080's price is 699$. we shouldn't have double standards, right ?

 

[DDH]

Setting a msrp lower than their own released product is unusual isnt it? Has this ever occurred with either AMD or nvidia?

I can imagine the reference "founder" card using a vapour chamber costing more to produce and hence an additional cost. But AIBs will incur costs for high performance coolers as well. AIBs can obviously charge more, but are we really going to see GTX 1080 for 599 once it releases?

 

[3DVagabond]

Certainly a new spin to release a card $100 higher than you are claiming the RRP is.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

Are you saying AMD will have a 'king slayer' card?
Nvidia hasn't actually shown all their cards yet, there was a reason why they didn't show the full specs for both cards.

what full specs? they gave us pretty much what we needed to actually calculate everything there is to know about them
the problem here is
they either didnt showed a live demo of doom to "hide" its true perf because of the amd cards(on higher res)
or the cards are perfoming pretty much the same as the others (and im saying this because that evga card was a highly clocked one (given that we know gddr5x has an effective 11/12gb/s it means they wont go much higher than 2.3/2.4 meaning of what we saw was already very very high..) and we have no way or comparing the 120fps on 1080p with anything since the game currently is locked on 60fps..)

i believe its the first because if the latter its true with the regular cards then we will see again the common nvidia tactic of giving 10-20fps on average per gen of cards (you can see it since gtx280 and till now)

 

[airfathaaaaa]

Call it reference card already.

no its not a refrence card
nvidia own site is stating that the founders will be launched and then the 1080 will launch first on desktop systems and then on market

it most certenly not a refrence card...

 

[Grooveriding]

Setting a msrp lower than their own released product is unusual isnt it? Has this ever occurred with either AMD or nvidia?

I can imagine the reference "founder" card using a vapour chamber costing more to produce and hence an additional cost. But AIBs will incur costs for high performance coolers as well. AIBs can obviously charge more, but are we really going to see GTX 1080 for 599 once it releases?

I think it will be a reference card with reference cooler, in a nvidia branded box and containing an insert letting you know that you're a founder. For a $100 MSRP mark up because the only stock at launch will probably be founder stock. It's an extra $100 to get the card when the only option to get your hands on the card is that +$100 card. They know there is a subset of buyers who must have it immediately when it's available and this is a way to make that extra scratch off them while also accounting for what could be a very supply limited card.

If this theory is accurate I expect to see it only available from nvidia and maybe EVGA on launch day, with no other AIB models and nothing at any other retailer for several weeks. If this is how it turns out it's still an actual launch if you can buy the card somewhere, just a soft one.

 

[3DVagabond]

I think it will be a reference card with reference cooler, in a nvidia branded box and containing an insert letting you know that you're a founder. For a $100 MSRP mark up because the only stock at launch will probably be founder stock. It's an extra $100 to get the card when the only option to get your hands on the card is that +$100 card. They know there is a subset of buyers who must have it immediately when it's available and this is a way to make that extra scratch off them while also accounting for what could be a very supply limited card.

If this theory is accurate I expect to see it only available from nvidia and maybe EVGA on launch day, with no other AIB models and nothing at any other retailer for several weeks. If this is how it turns out it's still an actual launch if you can buy the card somewhere, just a soft one.

I know we haven't seen any reviews yet. But from what we have seen do you think you'll be in on two? Again, just from what we've seen so far, hypothetically. Not gonna hold you to anything.

 

[AtenRa]

If this theory is accurate I expect to see it only available from nvidia and maybe EVGA on launch day, with no other AIB models and nothing at any other retailer for several weeks. If this is how it turns out it's still an actual launch if you can buy the card somewhere, just a soft one.

ZOTAC founders (Reference) heat-sink card

http://videocardz.com/59674/zotac-releases-its-geforce-gtx-1080

 

[AtenRa]

DOOM on Vulkan with Pascal GTX1080.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH1HCu0oBQk

 

[airfathaaaaa]

those aots numbers are for real? are they on everything ultra or high? cause 980ti is really gonna destroy that card