Anybody else decided not to vote on 11/7?

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Thump553
Move to North Korea, where the politicians will accomodate you by telling you what to do.

I will never, ever understand people too pathetic to "bother" voting. They usually tend to be the biggest whiners as well.

If you can't find a major party candidate in line with your views, vote for a minor party one that does-write in your vote if necessary-wrtie in your own name if you honestly believe that only you are suitable to hold that government position, but DON'T act like a rock.

Ummm.. You have no idea how voting works in a totalitarian regime, do you? Well, as someone who spend a better half of their life in USSR I'll do you a kindness and enlighten you. In a totalitarian country they force you to vote. Of course, the fact the a ballot contains a single name kind of negates the whole process, but still, to keep up the appearances on the international arena, voting is still conducted. Few days prior you'll receive a gentle reminder in a form of a short visit from either a voting official or a local police officer reminding you to show up and cast your vote or else. Every ballot is assigned, so not showing up is not an option unless you're dead or about to die.

Democracy, as I see it, is a freedom of choice in a pure sense of this word. I can chose to boycott election if neither of the politicians wanting my vote suite me for whatever reason. I do not have to justify it nore feel bad about it. It would be much more irresponsible of me to vote for a "lesser evil" since it merely reshuffles crappy politicians and leaves voters high and dry as before.

I've edited my title with a correct date, seems that a collective soapbox got a little crowded

 

[SophWise]

Vote, Vote, Vote! Just vote for anything other than Dem or Rep. We need to kick out both parties and get some nationalist, small-limited-government party in. While we're at it, we should have some kind of full disclosure laws for politicians and publicly elected officials. They should have to lay bare all forms of income, net worth, financial interests, et al for the world to see.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: SophWise
Vote, Vote, Vote! Just vote for anything other than Dem or Rep. We need to kick out both parties and get some nationalist, small-limited-government party in. While we're at it, we should have some kind of full disclosure laws for politicians and publicly elected officials. They should have to lay bare all forms of income, net worth, financial interests, et al for the world to see.

That's philosophically interesting, but on a pracitical level, it's useless for this coming election. Every Congressional seat WILL be won by a Democrat or Republican. The only way to stop the Bushwhacko TREASON and rampant criminal gang corruption by the Repbulican majority, now, is to vote in a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress.

I'm not happy with having to hold my nose to vote for Dianne Feinsteine, but a Democratic majority is the ONLY chance we have to impeach the Bushwhackos, and that's what I'll do in the hope we can still rescue the Constitution from their butchery.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Lothar
Can the people who dedided(or thinking about) not to vote give us their state and district so everyone can see what crappy politicians they have running for state and federal office?

Sure. I live near Chicago, possibly the most corrupt government in the country. Even though I'm not voting, I'm sure a handful of my dead ancestors are still voting. This is Chicago after-all.

I'll vote when a candidate gives me a reason to vote. Republicans are crap, and Democrats don't have a clue. They just keep blabbing about how the war in Iraq is a mistake. Well that's all fine & dandy... but we can't turn back time - as far as I know no one in congress drives a Delorean.

Besides, I'd probably vote mostly Republican anyways, so I'm doing all you a favor.

 

[Drakkon]

fine dont vote for the offices....who cares who gets in there..
but who would be stupid enough not to at least get out and vote for their county propositions? That would be the only reason I'm voting....theres some things i want to see passed and others i dont....and those things seem to actually have a profund effect in my life. I mean i live in az and it was a proposition voting measure (whcih i gladly voted for) which now requires people to show id at the polls. I'll be there with my DL in one hand and SS card in the other ready to vote 11/7.

 

[Lemon law]

Even if you are a republican---vote democratic this year---its the only way to get the the neo-cons who hijacked the Republican party out---so the Republican can go back
to its principles-----you know---things like fiscal responsibility, low defecits, small government, no foreign adventures---you know the drill--and in short everything GWB&co.
don't stand for.

Maybe we can all get a bi-partisan government that works back.

 

[imported_Seer]

For the love of god, vote, even if you don't like the dems or the republicans, vote independent. Or libertarian. If minor parties garner 5% of the national vote, they start getting money from the gov't to use in elections. more competition for the dems and repubs would be good.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Even if you are a republican---vote democratic this year---

OK, whose office is paying your salary?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Lothar
Can the people who dedided(or thinking about) not to vote give us their state and district so everyone can see what crappy politicians they have running for state and federal office?

Sure. I live near Chicago, possibly the most corrupt government in the country. Even though I'm not voting, I'm sure a handful of my dead ancestors are still voting. This is Chicago after-all.

I'll vote when a candidate gives me a reason to vote. Republicans are crap, and Democrats don't have a clue. They just keep blabbing about how the war in Iraq is a mistake. Well that's all fine & dandy... but we can't turn back time - as far as I know no one in congress drives a Delorean.

Besides, I'd probably vote mostly Republican anyways, so I'm doing all you a favor.

Feel sorry for you...
You have some of the worst candidates in this election running for governor.
Incumbent Gov. Rod Blagojevich vs. Judy Topinka.

 

[Lemon law]

I have always liked the Ralph Nader idea of putting none of the above on the ballot---and if none of the above wins---the seat remains vacant.

Would give a powerful message to our two party system not to run duds---except they balance the duds---so everyone is equally unhappy.

No matter what--you leave the polling place---at best voting for the lesser of two evils.

Sadly, a third part independent candidate, usually has the net effect of allowing a major party's candidate that least resembles that independent viewpoint to win.

Until we get money out of politics, getting candidates that represent the people will be problematical---but lying politicians will be the norm---because if they can't get money from the people, they will get money in reliable mass---from pacs and lobbyists---and that money does come at a price.

But this election will more than perhaps any mid-term election boil down to one question.

Do you think the GOP has this country on exactly the right track?

Because if the aggregate WE keeps the GOP in charge and the democrats are still shut out of government---you can bet NOTHING IN GOP POLICY will change for two more years.

Even if you are in favor of the above proposition---you better wonder if the wider world will not change---while the GOP further distances itself from the accountability that must follow.

At best, we will emerge from these mid-term elections still deeply divided. I hope that the democrats can at least emerge from the 06 elections with at least one branch of congress,
and gains enough streagth to moderate GWB zaniness---if that is not acheived--The USA may lack the national will to solve the problems that may result if one or more of GWB&co. really big gambles flop big time.

 

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I am sick and tired of our politicians and their BS. Republican leadership is full of sh1t, and I can't bring myself to vote for them again. Democratic leadership is virtually non-existant, spineless bunch of whiney babies who do not have the balls to stand up for what they believe.

I am sitting out this election. We'll see what 2008 looks like.

No!! Why would anyone who has a chance to vote not VOTE!!!

On the Democrats it sounds more like you need to have your ears examined and less about the "supposed" problems you fantasize about.

Actually, I agree, you do need your ears examined AnyMal. The following is just a few things the Democrats will attempt to lead the charge on if they regain power in congress.

1. Raise your taxes (that means every one's, anything else they say is pure BS.)

2. Cut and run from Iraq (asap.)

3. Reduce our ability to monitor suspected terrorist communications from overseas.

4. Give highly suspected terrorists civil and constitutional rights (name, rank, and jihad number please? No? OK, here's your standard issue prayer rug, color tv, and defence lawyer. Next.)

5. Nancy Pelosi (far-left-wing liberal Democrat from San Francisco, CA) will become Speaker Of The House (third in US chain-of-command.) In her first 100 hours, she says, it'll be time enough to begin to "drain the swamp" after more than a decade of Republican rule. [see #7]

6. Give amnesty to illegal immigrants, withdraw all national guard troops from the border, and stop construction of the border fence. (Everyone should feel safer now after just doing that.)

7. And generally throw the federal government into a tailspin with numerous investigations (republican witch-hunts), initiate new 911 hearings, and very likely initiate Presidential impeach proceedings. (Just what this nation needs while our troops are in harms way in Iraq and Afghanistan. And can you say, one-heart-attack-away-from-Presidency?)

 

[Craig234]

You posted lies, Xenolith. For example, the democrats have no plans to raised "everyone's" taxes, and in fact we can be pretty certain they will not.

But hey, that's one way to win elections with a crap party: just say things that aren't true about the opponents to make them look worse.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Craig234
You posted lies, Xenolith. For example, the democrats have no plans to raised "everyone's" taxes, and in fact we can be pretty certain they will not.

But hey, that's one way to win elections with a crap party: just say things that aren't true about the opponents to make them look worse.

Same as saying tax cuts are "only" for the rich, when under today's tax laws more people than ever pay no taxes.

 

[jackschmittusa]

xenolith

Please let me paint a little white on your black assessment.

1. Raise your taxes (that means every one's, anything else they say is pure BS.)

1a. Perhaps have the rich pay an equitable share again, the Dems actually know how much the middle class has been pinched.

2. Cut and run from Iraq (asap.)

2a. Do something more sensable than what we have been doing in Iraq, even if it means leaving a lost cause behind

3. Reduce our ability to monitor suspected terrorist communications from overseas.

3a. Restore checks and balances, government oversight, target our anti-terror dollars at efforts that may be fruitful

4. Give highly suspected terrorists civil and constitutional rights

4a. restore our standing among the world of nations by affirming that we actually walk the walk about human rights, reject the idea that those we choose to point a finger at are vermin, and as such, deserve no considerations

5. Nancy Pelosi (far-left-wing liberal Democrat from San Francisco, CA) will become Speaker Of The House (third in US chain-of-command.) In her first 100 hours, she says, it'll be time enough to begin to "drain the swamp" after more than a decade of Republican rule.

5a. I grant that that is wishfull thinking. Bush and co. have made a maliferous swamp that may take 100 months to drain. Better to stop it now before it takes 100 years to repair.

6. Give amnesty to illegal immigrants, withdraw all national guard troops from the border, and stop construction of the border fence.

6a. If your ass is big enough to pull that one out of it, you need to see a protologist and have a drawstring installed.

7. And generally throw the federal government into a tailspin with numerous investigations (republican witch-hunts), initiate new 911 hearings, and very likely initiate Presidential impeach proceedings. (Just what this nation needs while our troops are in harms way in Iraq and Afghanistan. And can you say, one-heart-attack-away-from-Presidency?)

7a. And may the fates smile upon those that seek justice; and the wicked be punished for their crimes and abuses of trust.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I am so God Damn sick of all the bullshit coming from the Republicans trying to tell us what they 'Think'
that the Democrats MIGHT do - it's speculation and fearmongering by them, plain and simple.

What I want to hear them address is what the GOP will do themselves to solve the problems they created.

They have NO SOLUTIONS - while they bitch about 'the Democrats have no cohesive plans'
they all march in lockstep to a monolithic self serving scheme, damn near a conspiracy, to take over everything
but are not willing to do anything for the people as a whole, or for the benefit of the citizenry.

The best Government that money can buy - available to Corporations and crooks and theives for their personal gain.

Why don't the Democrats have a single minded monolithic plan to counter the GOP?
That's easy - they are much more diversified, and span a much broader mindset, offering things to many citizens.
They actually want to do things for the general population, and are not trying to pass laws that benefit
single minded issues that divide america along partisan agendas . . like gay marriage, flag burning,
Terry Schaivo, stem cell and seed cell reaearch, Foley's 'Leave No Child's Behind' and Duke Cunninghams bribery.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I am so God Damn sick of all the bullshit coming from the Republicans trying to tell us what they 'Think'
that the Democrats MIGHT do - it's speculation and fearmongering by them, plain and simple.

Seems a previous poster was right about liberals being angry around here :laugh:

The truth is Democrats WILL raise taxes. They always do. Go check your history books. Charles Rangel has already said he doesn't see a single Bush tax cut that he would keep and I'm quite confident he is not alone.

It isn't fear-mongering, it is reality.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I am so God Damn sick of all the bullshit coming from the Republicans trying to tell us what they 'Think'
that the Democrats MIGHT do - it's speculation and fearmongering by them, plain and simple.

Seems a previous poster was right about liberals being angry around here :laugh:

The truth is Democrats WILL raise taxes. They always do. Go check your history books. Charles Rangel has already said he doesn't see a single Bush tax cut that he would keep and I'm quite confident he is not alone.

It isn't fear-mongering, it is reality.

Typical cringing coward - OH, Fear the Tax.
Fear everything, since you don't have the gumption to take control of your personal life.

Go hide under your bed or in your closet until after the elections . . or until Foley IM's you.

I don't beleive that the GOP has any credibility telling people what somebody else 'might' do,
when we know for a fact that the GOP won't do a god damn thing unless they get a kick-back for it.

REVIEW YOUR HISTORY - I LIVED THE FVCKING HISTORY, I'VE BEEN VOTING AS A REPUBLICAN SINCE 1964
AND I VOTE FOR THE PERSON WHO WILL DO THE BEST JOB FOR THE COUNTRY, NOT SOME SELF CENTERED
ASSHOLE WHO'S OUT TO UNDERMINE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
Today's GOP blew it when they became an activist arm of the fruitcake right and the Evangelicals.
They deserve to be thrown out, and if people 'REVIEWED HISTORY' they never would have let
these stupid bastards come back into power - after they had been thrown out once before under Nixon's cabal.

 

[Lemon law]

Thats the GOP strategy----run up the bills and put it on the credit card. Screw up everything they touch. Then when they get thrown out---and the responsible have to pay the bills.---they blame the responsible for having to raise the money to pay the bills they ran up.

Which is exactly what happened to GHB---when Reagans bills came due---and he had to say---read my lips--we gotta raise taxes.

In a decade of responsible government bi-partisan government we actually balanced the budget.
In one short year GWB brough the defecit back with a vengence.---and screws up everything he touches.---bills all now on national credit card.

Sound familar?---de ju vu all over again.

 

[kage69]

The insanity, corruption, and criminal incompetence of the GOP these last several years needs to end as soon as possible - and for that reason I'll be voting D this year, even though there a number of issues I don't agree with them on. R's won't get my vote until I'm satisfied they once again give a damn about the Constitution and shake the yoke of the religious fundie nuts.
It would be nice if they also regained a sense of fiscal responsibilty, and studied up on the concept of checks and balances. Till then, I'll do what I can to keep them from screwing up my family's home and future anymore than they already have - even if it means voting for a Dem.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Seems a previous poster was right about liberals being angry around here :laugh:

Seems the majority are right who know the few die hard neocons are in denial. :laugh:

The truth is Democrats WILL raise taxes.

Damn! You'd better hope so. Wouldn't that be something if either party would grow a pair and take fiscal responsiblity for finding a realistic way to deal with the trillions in deficit spending and foreign held debt the Bushwhackos created with their war of lies? :shocked:

It isn't fear-mongering, it is reality.

QFT!

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I am so God Damn sick of all the bullshit coming from the Republicans trying to tell us what they 'Think'
that the Democrats MIGHT do - it's speculation and fearmongering by them, plain and simple.

Seems a previous poster was right about liberals being angry around here :laugh:

The truth is Democrats WILL raise taxes. They always do. Go check your history books. Charles Rangel has already said he doesn't see a single Bush tax cut that he would keep and I'm quite confident he is not alone.

It isn't fear-mongering, it is reality.

Let's cut the crap, republicans have raised taxes as well. Let me give you a hint: "Read my lips. No new taxes" Sounds familiar?

I have always voted republican and love the tax cut, but I'll be damned if I'll be enticed to vote just because there's only a single issue that I benefit from.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: brandonb
... The low voter turnout would be a nice indication to our government and politicians that the common American is getting sick of their s#%^ and they better start representing the people

Politicians don't know why you're not voting. For all they know you're just a lazy sob that doesn't give a damn. The only real way to send them a message that you're tired of the rep/dem bs is to vote third party. They will pay much more attention to the third party voters than to the nonvoters, especially in close elections.

Voter turnout is already really low and the politicians don't seem to mind. I think they actually favor low turnouts becasue its generally the moderates that stay home, while the more polarized people show up and vote in a predictable way (the party line).

 

[Cattlegod]

i'm too lazy

until i can go to something like vote.gov and cast my fat ass vote from my chair, i probably won't vote.

 

[Craig234]

Let's cut the crap, republicans have raised taxes as well. Let me give you a hint: "Read my lips. No new taxes" Sounds familiar?

Actually, Bush did the right thing on that tax increase. It was a small bit of undoing the bad policies of him and Reagan. His problem was his promise not to raise them at all - and he deserved to pay a price for that, taking the political credit for something phony. But he gets some credit for putting the economy ahead of his political needs in one incident.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Let's cut the crap, republicans have raised taxes as well. Let me give you a hint: "Read my lips. No new taxes" Sounds familiar?

Actually, Bush did the right thing on that tax increase. It was a small bit of undoing the bad policies of him and Reagan. His problem was his promise not to raise them at all - and he deserved to pay a price for that, taking the political credit for something phony. But he gets some credit for putting the economy ahead of his political needs in one incident.

I don't disagree with you. I simply countered Pabsters baseless assertion that only Democrats like to raise taxes.