Any really effective surge protectors?

bridito

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I live in the desert so we have some wicked thunderstorms. Since I had a whack of electronics fried years ago from a lightning surge, I now have good quality power bar surge protectors on everything that I ever care to keep using. However, I still go and unplug my primary desktop PC whenever storm clouds are approaching and given that we're in the middle of Tstorm season, that's a lot. Are there any surge protectors out there that are really good enough to reassure me that I can keep the PC plugged in? Note that I don't need a UPS as the electricity very rarely goes out here.
 

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From what I've read/been told, the 'premium' surge protectors that 'gaurantee' protection are a joke. You have to jump thru so many hoops to get the company to back up their claims. We just had our credit card machine get fried about 3 weeks ago. Of course it was plugged into a 'quality' surge protector too........go figure. The company more or less told us to go to hell.......meh.
Kinda like most insurance companies I guess lol.

In other words, I'm thinking unplugging is a far smaller headache than dealing with 'top of the line' surge protectors. But then again I'm guessing you're not home 24/7 either, so unplugging probably isn't as easy as it sounds.
Do they provide more protection? I have no clue. Perhaps someone here can add some positive information. I'm just relaying what I've been exposed to.
 

westom

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However, I still go and unplug my primary desktop PC whenever storm clouds are approaching and given that we're in the middle of Tstorm season, that's a lot. Are there any surge protectors out there that are really good enough to reassure me that I can keep the PC plugged in?
Does your telco also disconnect their switching computers when t-storms approach? Their computer connects overhead to buildings all over town. So it suffers about 100 surges with each storm. How often is your town without phone service for four days?

Any facility that must not suffer damage does not locate protectors adjacent to electronics. That does no protection. Can sometimes make damage easier. Protection is always about where energy dissipates. Either that energy is hunting for earth ground destructively inside the building. Or that energy is connected to earth before it enters the building. No destructive hunt. No electronics damage.

The superior solution locates a protector within feet of earth ground. To increase protection, your telco wants their protectors up to 50 meters (150 feet) distant from electronics.

The best solution costs about $1 per protected appliance. Comes from more responsible companies such as Intermatic, Leviton, General Electric, Square D, ABB, or Siemens. A Cutler-Hammer solution sells in Lowes and Home Depot for less than $50.

But again, protection is not found in any magic box. Either the 'box' connects short to what does protection. Or your only protection is what comes inside every appliance.

Earth a 'whole house' protector. That means be most concerned about that actually does all surge protection. Earth ground. Upgrade it to both meet and exceed post 1990 National Electrical code. The effective protector connects short (ie 'less than 10 feet') to what does protection - single point earth ground.

Those power strips will not even discuss earthing. View their numeric specs. No protection claims. Why? It protects from a type of surge that is typically not destructive. Then can hype advertising so that everyone just *knows* it must be effective.

A minimal 'whole house' protector starts at 50,000 amps. Because a typical lightning strike is 20,000 amps. Effective protectors are designed to earth direct lightning strikes - and remain functional. Get one 'whole house' protector from those more responsible companies. Then everything - dishwasher, furnace, air conditioner, bathroom GFCIs, dimmer switches - everything is protected by the well proven solution.

Why does your telco, commercial broadcasting stations and even munitions dumps use the 'whole house' solution? A protector is only as effective as its earth ground.
 

corkyg

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Weston, . . . . excellent information. I too live in a very lightning prone area - especially this time of year. Our threat is somewhat mitigated by having all of our utilities, including cable, are underground. That does not guarantee immunity, however, as I have had a direct hit several years ago. It took out the panel of my security system, but that was all.

I keep one computer on a UPS device, but only to allow graceful termination if there is a power outage. When I see real boomers getting close, I just power down and disconnect.

Our telephone, Internat, and TV are all on Comcast, and that is distributed by underground fiberoptics. That is another mitigator.

Thanks for the analysis. :)
 

bridito

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mrblotto: I'm home a lot but the Tstorms sneak up on you here in the desert. I'm in the middle of a river valley with tall mountains on both sides. A cell can be invisible two minutes before it turns overcast and the sparks start flying. So if I'm at the supermarket or whatever, I can't take the chance of turning my main work PC into slag.

westom: Great info, thanks, I really appreciate the detail you've gone into. In my particular case I'm in the same situation as corkyg... in a new subdivision where everything is underground. Since it's a very small town I have two separate ISPs here: The telco and the cable company. I use the telco hardwired to my main PC and the cable company for the wireless for my laptop. Why two completely separate ones? It may seem strange, but I'm completely justified. It's been a week now and the cable company connection has not been able to reach certain sites as Facebook and CNN. Everything else works perfectly and my telco connection gets everything fine. I've spent an hour on the phone with the cable company and come to the realization that there are scorpions in my back yard that know more about internet connectivity than the customer disservice bozos there. So having two ISPs turns out to be a godsend considering I earn 100% of my living online. If one flakes out for a while chances are the other is A-OK, as is happening right now.

My question is: given that everything is underground here and when I start hearing the boomers I unplug both the main power bar AND the RJ-11 from the telco completely segregating the entire system from any connection to the outside, how would I manage that with a whole house solution? That wouldn't touch the telco connection... or would it?
 

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My question is: given that everything is underground here and when I start hearing the boomers I unplug both the main power bar AND the RJ-11 from the telco completely segregating the entire system from any connection to the outside, how would I manage that with a whole house solution? That wouldn't touch the telco connection... or would it?
Makes no difference if cables are overhead or underground. Surges enter on both.

Every cable and telco wire must be earthed before entering a building. Cable must be connected (hardwired) directly to earth ground. Telco (required by federal regulations and other codes) has a 'whole house' protector installed for free where their wires connect to yours.

But protection is never about a protector. Protection is always about the earth ground. That protector will only be as effective as the earth ground that you are responsible for.

Better built homes used Ufer grounding. Or encircled a home with a buried bare copper wire. Multiple earth ground rods may be sufficient for many locations. The bottom line - it must be the single point ground. Any wire or pipe entering must make that short connection to single point earthing.

The most common source of surges is AC electric. An incoming current hunts for earth destructively via appliances. Some of the most 'successful' hunts are via telephone and cable appliances. Incoming on AC electric. Outgoing via cable / telco wire to earth ground. Damage only exists if both an incoming and outgoing current path exists.

If current is permitted inside, it will hunt destructively. You must earth that current before it enters. A low impedance connection means short (ie 'less than 10 feet'), no splices, no sharp wire bends, not inside metallic conduit, ground wires separated from other non-grounding wires, and all grounds meeting at a common earthing electrode.
 

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Makes no difference if cables are overhead or underground. Surges enter on both.

Every cable and telco wire must be earthed before entering a building. Cable must be connected (hardwired) directly to earth ground. Telco (required by federal regulations and other codes) has a 'whole house' protector installed for free where their wires connect to yours.

But protection is never about a protector. Protection is always about the earth ground. That protector will only be as effective as the earth ground that you are responsible for.

Better built homes used Ufer grounding. Or encircled a home with a buried bare copper wire. Multiple earth ground rods may be sufficient for many locations. The bottom line - it must be the single point ground. Any wire or pipe entering must make that short connection to single point earthing.

The most common source of surges is AC electric. An incoming current hunts for earth destructively via appliances. Some of the most 'successful' hunts are via telephone and cable appliances. Incoming on AC electric. Outgoing via cable / telco wire to earth ground. Damage only exists if both an incoming and outgoing current path exists.

If current is permitted inside, it will hunt destructively. You must earth that current before it enters. A low impedance connection means short (ie 'less than 10 feet'), no splices, no sharp wire bends, not inside metallic conduit, ground wires separated from other non-grounding wires, and all grounds meeting at a common earthing electrode.

Thanks, this is like a surge protection seminar! I really appreciate it. I'm still confused on how to actually ground the telco line though. Or are you saying it's not necessary?
 

westom

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Thanks, this is like a surge protection seminar! I really appreciate it. I'm still confused on how to actually ground the telco line though. Or are you saying it's not necessary?
Do a Google picture search for NIDs. Many exist. That is where your wires connect to the telcos. From that box must be the earth ground wire to earth their 'installed for free' protector.

An earthing wire from the NID must meet the same low impedance criteria so that even direct lightning strikes conduct harmlessly to single point earth ground.

How good is that telco protector? How good is your earth ground? A protector is simple science. Earthing is the art of protection.
 

bridito

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Do a Google picture search for NIDs. Many exist. That is where your wires connect to the telcos. From that box must be the earth ground wire to earth their 'installed for free' protector.

An earthing wire from the NID must meet the same low impedance criteria so that even direct lightning strikes conduct harmlessly to single point earth ground.

How good is that telco protector? How good is your earth ground? A protector is simple science. Earthing is the art of protection.

Therefore the conventional wisdom that you should unplug your electric as well as telco wiring is a myth? I'm more than open to believing you over old wives tales! :)
 

westom

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Therefore the conventional wisdom that you should unplug your electric as well as telco wiring is a myth?
Only way that works is to never use the appliance.

Early 20th Century ham radio operators would disconnect their antennas. Even put the antenna lead inside a mason jar. And still suffer damage. Damage stopped when that antenna lead was earthed.

Never stop a surge. Always give it a path to what it wants (earth). A path that is non-destructive. As Ben Franklin even demonstrated in 1752.
 

bridito

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Only way that works is to never use the appliance.

Early 20th Century ham radio operators would disconnect their antennas. Even put the antenna lead inside a mason jar. And still suffer damage. Damage stopped when that antenna lead was earthed.

Never stop a surge. Always give it a path to what it wants (earth). A path that is non-destructive. As Ben Franklin even demonstrated in 1752.

Yup, Earth Rules! (Although that could have been the title of a really bad 50's sci fi movie!) :)

Are there any practical hands on "go to Home Depot and buy this and install it" ways to earth a telco RJ-11 connector type line? And/or is it at all necessary/required/desirable/nice?
 

Mark R

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Surge protection has several key components:
1. Surge energy must be diverted around key components
2. The minimum amount of surge energy must be diverted through internal cabling
3. Care must be taken to ensure that surges flow via a pre-determined route, and don't find alternative routes


1. Surge protection works by diverting energy. If a voltage spike comes in through the hot wire of your power supply, the job of the surge protector is to divert it to ground. This is done with a suitable surge-detecting switch, which temporarily shorts out the mains supply to ground, diverting the surge away from sensitive equipment. The 3 main technologies used are metal oxide varistors (MOVs), which are passive ceramic devices that instantly convert from insulators to conductors when the voltage goes above a preset threshold (e.g. 250 V); gas discharge tubes (GDTs) are used for signal cables e.g. telephone or cable, which don't carry power, as these are cheaper and don't interfere with signals. Where higher power is required (e.g. direct lightning protection) electronically triggered arc tubes are preferred, but these are expensive.

There are some 'series mode' surge protectors which are heavily marketed. These are devices that block surges electromagnetically. These lead to good protection of the mains supply to protected devices. However, they don't divert the surge effectively - meaning the surge still has to find its way to ground elsewhere. This can lead to greater damage elsewhere. Additionally, signal cables cannot be series protected. Much of the marketing for series protectors due to the fact that they don't divert to ground, and therefore protect the ground from 'surge pollution'. This is moot, as signal surge protection can only be done by diversion to ground.

2. Because surge protectors divert energy, the surge is channelled via ground cables around the protector. This channelling causes problems, as electromagnetic effects can result in the surge being 'mirrored' in nearby cables, which therefore also need protection. Further, long cables impair the flow of the surge, leading to less efficient diversion.

In order to optimise surge diversion, and minimize electromagnetic effects broadcasting the surge into other wiring, the surge protector should be placed at the entrance of the cable to the building. Heavy duty cables should be used to connect the protector to the mains supply, and also to a good quality ground - usually one, or more, high quality grounding rods (relatively common in rural areas), or a good quality electrical ground wire provided as part of the electrical service (common in underground urban supplies).

3. When a current flows in a conductor, a voltage is produced between the two ends (due to resistance/impedance of the conductor). If you have 2 cables coming into a building, one on each side, one will have a long ground wire, to reach the building ground. When a surge is diverted into the long ground wire, a large voltage will appear on the wire (due to the flow of the powerful surge). If a piece of equipment is connected to the main ground, and to this long ground, the voltage may damage the piece of equipment. On the face of it, this installation looks fine - but the surge has instead found an alternative route.

How can this happen? If your phone service comes in the front, but power comes in the back, where the main earth is, then a surge coming via the phone line, will not be completely diverted, because the long ground wire on the phone protector will be forced to high voltage. A device connected to both the phone and mains power will be exposed to the high voltage difference between grounding points and be fried (e.g. modem, or PC).

Similar problems occur with cable TV installations. Because of this risk of damage from differently sited services, the NEC requires that all services enter the building at the same point, so that they can be directly grounded together. In a survey done by one telecoms company, close to 90% of residential installations violate the code in this regard.


Total protection comes from careful adherence to these basic principles. As well as a whole building surge protector, some additional protection will still be needed for sensitive equipment, as some surge current will still reach them, and there may well be considerable 'ringing' of current due to the surge storing energy in stray capacitance and inductance. Ideally, all these extra surge protectors (e.g. integrated surge protected receptacles) should be connected direct to ground via their own grounding wire (although this is not strictly necessary). Where two services need final protection (e.g. cable protector at the cable box), the final protector should protect both mains power and signal cable by diverting them to the same ground.

For maximum protection against problem 3 (alternative routes), the building ground encases the whole building with highly conductive material (e.g. Ufer grounding - the reinforcement in the concrete foundation is used as a giant ground electrode). The low conductivity of the reinforcement bars, ensures that even under surge conditions, the ground voltage remains virtually teh same throughout the building. A similar effect can be obtained by surrounding the building with a ring of heavy copper cable (or copper pipe). The ring ensures that the ground all around the building is at the same, or similar, voltage.
 
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Great info here. I'm going to sticky this thread.

One little question about surges - do they travel over fiberoptic cable as easily as copper?
 

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Definitely one of the most worthy threads for stickerhood! Congratulations to all.

My house, built barely a year ago, has the electric coming in on one side of the house and the telco coming in on the other. I guess they just laugh at code in these parts. :(
 

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Great info here. I'm going to sticky this thread.

One little question about surges - do they travel over fiberoptic cable as easily as copper?
Surges do not travel over fiber at all. Fiber permits safe connection between different buildings or different earthing zones within a large building. Using copper cable could potentially provide an alternative path to ground (via the ethernet ports, data cables and network infrastructure - very bad).

Connections between different buildings or between wings of a large building should always be fiber to ensure that electrical surges are localised as far as possible.
 

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Are there any practical hands on "go to Home Depot and buy this and install it" ways to earth a telco RJ-11 connector type line?
Little market exists for telco (RJ-11) protectors since code and Federal regulations require this superior solution to be installed by your utility company. Most never even knew it existed let alone understand how it works.

An example of a 'whole house' protector routinely found inside NID boxes:
http://www.bourns.com/pdfs/2022-6084 Rev B.pdf

An example of how it was done even 60 years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Demarc2.JPG
 

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My house, built barely a year ago, has the electric coming in on one side of the house and the telco coming in on the other.
Near zero knowledge of this 100 year old science remains rampant. Ask a builder about Ufer grounds and often get a perplexed look. Surge protection is best installed when the footings are poured.

One utility demonstrates a kludge to fix that builder created defect:
http://www.duke-energy.com/indiana-business/products/power-quality/tech-tip-08.asp

Above was only a discussion of the secondary protection system. A primary protection system is installed by utilities. In your underground wiring, it is probably not viewable. However others are strongly encouraged to inspect their primary surge protection. Each layer of protection is defined only by one 'it must always exist' item. A picture demonstrates what to inspect:
http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.html
 

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Surges do not travel over fiber at all.
True. However, to trace / locate a buried fiber optic, a signaling copper wire is also included. Important is to have that signaling wire properly connected to earth before fiber enters the building.
 

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Thanks for the clarifications and the links, westom. And thanks for your great descriptions too Mark R!
 

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My outlets are not grounded. I converted from old 1950's 2 prong sockets to 3 prong and never bothered to connect that ground wire. Is this a big deal?
 

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My outlets are not grounded. I converted from old 1950's 2 prong sockets to 3 prong and never bothered to connect that ground wire. Is this a big deal?
That is a human safety violation. Code says your option was easy. Replace each two wire receptacle with a GFCI.

Inspection for a future house sale will (should) be impossible until you do replace an ungrounded receptacle with a GFCIs or replace the circuit breaker for all receptacles with a GFCI type breaker. Better is to do it now so that you can prosper from that spent cash.

A GFCI on all bathroom and kitchen receptacles is especially important.

Meanwhile, this is a dicussion about surge protection. Safety ground in a receptacle is not earth ground. And is irrelevant to this discussion.
 

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Westom,
Thanks. While we are on the topic, can we clear one last thing? Is a GFCI outlet an acceptable replacement for a 2 prong outlet when no ground wire is available in an older apartment complex?
 

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While we are on the topic, can we clear one last thing? Is a GFCI outlet an acceptable replacement for a 2 prong outlet when no ground wire is available in an older apartment complex?
From the National Electrical Code:
> Article 406.3 - GFCIs on circuits without safety ground:
> (3) Nongrounding-Type Receptacles. Where grounding means does not exist
> in the receptacle enclosure, the installation shall comply with (D)(3)(a),
> (D)(3)(b), or (D)(3)(c).
...
> (b) A nongrounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with a
> ground-fault circuit interrupter-type of receptacle(s). These receptacles shall
> be marked "No Equipment Ground." An equipment grounding conductor shall
> not be connected from the ground-fault circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to
> any new or existing outlet or enclosure supplied from the ground-fault
> circuit-interrupter receptacle.

GFCI is only for human safety. It does nothing for 'effective surge protectors' or for transistor safety.
 

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Ok, so I can still use a surge protector on an illegal ungrounded 3 prong outlet and protect my equipment, correct?
 

westom

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Ok, so I can still use a surge protector on an illegal ungrounded 3 prong outlet and protect my equipment, correct?
You can use the protector. But it does not do protection. In some cases, it compromises protection already inside adjacent appliances. Even the manufacturer says to not use it on an ungrounded receptacle. But you can use it. You are permitted to compromise existing protection.

Do you want protection? Or do you really only need a power strip so that all interconnected appliances can further protect themselves by sharing a common ground inside a power strip? What specific problem is to be solved?