Any Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan fans?

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Well, there's been a few personnel attacks, but no substantiating evidence that this guy has any historically significant music anywhere outside his national community. Attack away; this is amusing.

Dude, I'm a middle class, middle age, white guy from Wisconsin. For Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music to have made it into my world is an acheivement on its own.

Let's see what Wikipedia has to say...

Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Urdu: ???? ??? ??? ???) (October 13, 1948 - August 16, 1997), a world-renowned Pakistani musician, was primarily a singer of Qawwali, the devotional music of the Sufis, a mystical offshoot of Islam. Ustad Nusrat is credited with taking this traditional musical art form to an international level and creating a new generation of Qawwali lovers both in Pakistan and around the world.


Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (second from left, with hands raised) on Pakistani TV (circa 1983)Traditionally, Qawwali has been a family business. Nusrat's family (originally from Afghanistan) has an unbroken tradition of performing qawwali for the last 600 years. Among other honorary titles bestowed upon him, Nusrat was called Shahenshah-e-Qawwali, meaning The Emperor of Qawwals.

Sounds like quite the track record. Why that predates Bach, Haydn, Beethoven, Mozart, and Chopin.

OK, point made. There are many art forms that go back many hundreds of years. While some may be quite popular in their own small niche, others have gained more worldwide recognition. Call them "Western Artists" or whatever, but in the civilized world (yes, I said it) no one knows who this guy is. "Mozart" (for example) is known around the world...except possibly India and Pakistan, of course.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Well, there's been a few personnel attacks, but no substantiating evidence that this guy has any historically significant music anywhere outside his national community. Attack away; this is amusing.

Dude, I'm a middle class, middle age, white guy from Wisconsin. For Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music to have made it into my world is an acheivement on its own.

Let's see what Wikipedia has to say...

Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Urdu: ???? ??? ??? ???) (October 13, 1948 - August 16, 1997), a world-renowned Pakistani musician, was primarily a singer of Qawwali, the devotional music of the Sufis, a mystical offshoot of Islam. Ustad Nusrat is credited with taking this traditional musical art form to an international level and creating a new generation of Qawwali lovers both in Pakistan and around the world.


Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (second from left, with hands raised) on Pakistani TV (circa 1983)Traditionally, Qawwali has been a family business. Nusrat's family (originally from Afghanistan) has an unbroken tradition of performing qawwali for the last 600 years. Among other honorary titles bestowed upon him, Nusrat was called Shahenshah-e-Qawwali, meaning The Emperor of Qawwals.

Sounds like quite the track record. Why that predates Bach, Haydn, Beethoven, Mozart, and Chopin.

OK, point made. There are many art forms that go back many hundreds of years. While some may be quite popular in their own small niche, others have gained more worldwide recognition. Call them "Western Artists" or whatever, but in the civilized world (yes, I said it) no one knows who this guy is. "Mozart" (for example) is known around the world...except possibly India and Pakistan, of course.

Keep digging that hole.

I guess everyone on ATOT must be in India and Pakistan because we all know who he is.

And Indian/Pakistani people don't know who Mozart is? :roll:

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan has sold tens of millions of albums in Europe. Is that "civilized" and "Western" enough?

Everytime I read one of your posts, I can't help but see this image of a mullet and Nascar logo. Why is that, pawtnah?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Well, there's been a few personnel attacks, but no substantiating evidence that this guy has any historically significant music anywhere outside his national community. Attack away; this is amusing.

Dude, I'm a middle class, middle age, white guy from Wisconsin. For Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music to have made it into my world is an acheivement on its own.

Let's see what Wikipedia has to say...

Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Urdu: ???? ??? ??? ???) (October 13, 1948 - August 16, 1997), a world-renowned Pakistani musician, was primarily a singer of Qawwali, the devotional music of the Sufis, a mystical offshoot of Islam. Ustad Nusrat is credited with taking this traditional musical art form to an international level and creating a new generation of Qawwali lovers both in Pakistan and around the world.


Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (second from left, with hands raised) on Pakistani TV (circa 1983)Traditionally, Qawwali has been a family business. Nusrat's family (originally from Afghanistan) has an unbroken tradition of performing qawwali for the last 600 years. Among other honorary titles bestowed upon him, Nusrat was called Shahenshah-e-Qawwali, meaning The Emperor of Qawwals.

Sounds like quite the track record. Why that predates Bach, Haydn, Beethoven, Mozart, and Chopin.

OK, point made. There are many art forms that go back many hundreds of years. While some may be quite popular in their own small niche, others have gained more worldwide recognition. Call them "Western Artists" or whatever, but in the civilized world (yes, I said it) no one knows who this guy is. "Mozart" (for example) is known around the world...except possibly India and Pakistan, of course.

Niche? That niche is bigger than the "civilized world". Also, I grew up in the heart of the civilized world, the absolute epidome of civilization and culture, that is to say, Wisconsin, and I knew of his music. Unless of course by civilized you mean "me and my friends" not having consulted your friends because there is some chance they have heard the music of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I can see a thread happening.

"Hi, I want to learn about the music of Michael Jackson. I heard he sold like a coupla hundred million albums through his career, generated tv/print buzz like no other, bought an island etc. He must be historically significant, I guess, but I have no idea about him. Any suggestions?"

MichaelD: OMGWTF! MOZART! BEETHOVEN! CHOPIN! BACH!

 

[Inspector Jihad]

i always wanted to start a list of confirmed idiots list....but i never knew how to start it. Thanks MichaelD

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
This IS OT, last time I checked, right? So whatever my opinion is, on any thread, is just dandy.

you should expect to get flamed if you put forward an opinion based on ignorance and being eurocentric

 

[IronWing]

I'm listening to Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan right now so at least some good came from this thread.

Think I'll start a new thread - "Arvo Pärt is a prat".

 

[mrzed]

OK, I'll apologize for using the word "douche." It seemed appropriate at the time, but I should have taken a pause.

That said, your arrogant dismissal of the cultural acheivements of all non-European peoples was a little flame-inducing, witness the beating you are taking for it.

 

[Ninjja]

Originally posted by: state 08
I recently aquired a large collection of his work, and just wanted to know what are some MUST LISTEN to tracks.

Thanks.

Yes, I think he's fantastic.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Well, there's been a few personnel attacks, but no substantiating evidence that this guy has any historically significant music anywhere outside his national community. Attack away; this is amusing.

Dude, I'm a middle class, middle age, white guy from Wisconsin. For Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music to have made it into my world is an acheivement on its own.

Let's see what Wikipedia has to say...

Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Urdu: ???? ??? ??? ???) (October 13, 1948 - August 16, 1997), a world-renowned Pakistani musician, was primarily a singer of Qawwali, the devotional music of the Sufis, a mystical offshoot of Islam. Ustad Nusrat is credited with taking this traditional musical art form to an international level and creating a new generation of Qawwali lovers both in Pakistan and around the world.


Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (second from left, with hands raised) on Pakistani TV (circa 1983)Traditionally, Qawwali has been a family business. Nusrat's family (originally from Afghanistan) has an unbroken tradition of performing qawwali for the last 600 years. Among other honorary titles bestowed upon him, Nusrat was called Shahenshah-e-Qawwali, meaning The Emperor of Qawwals.

Sounds like quite the track record. Why that predates Bach, Haydn, Beethoven, Mozart, and Chopin.

OK, point made. There are many art forms that go back many hundreds of years. While some may be quite popular in their own small niche, others have gained more worldwide recognition. Call them "Western Artists" or whatever, but in the civilized world (yes, I said it) no one knows who this guy is. "Mozart" (for example) is known around the world...except possibly India and Pakistan, of course.

you're a dumb piece of redneck trailer trash (yes i said it)

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Ninjja

Originally posted by: state 08
I recently aquired a large collection of his work, and just wanted to know what are some MUST LISTEN to tracks.

Thanks.

Yes, I think he's fantastic.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
You say it like he's some artist of historical significance.

You obviously don't gave a darn, b/c if you "recently acquired" a large collection of his work, you would've LISTENED TO IT and made up your own mind instead of asking here what you should listen to.

They are mp3's, not fine bottles of wine; playing one or two won't make them go bad. :roll:

WTF do you care what other people listen to?

 

[Excelsior]

lol.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

I'm a huge fan of his music.

The Long Road is great, its a song he did with Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam. Infact most of his music with Eddie Vedder is pretty damn good.

I don't like his newer stuff thats been remixed with pop-music, its pretty garbage, but his older stuff is awesome.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I would hardly call the work of any Pakistani musician "historically significant." Not hating, just factual. We have "classical music" which is a world-recognized standard. Any Pakistani music in there? NOPE.

I realize that AT has a large Escaped The Third World user base...but sorry, you lose the "historically signifcant" argument.

Wow pretty ignorant statement to make. I can see why your wife would leave you :laugh:

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
I don't like his newer stuff thats been remixed with pop-music, its pretty garbage, but his older stuff is awesome.

The thing is, the main essence of his music was in the lyrics - not the musical arrangement. But as he started gaining a larger audience that didn't understand the language but just the vibe his voice created, they started experimenting and arranging/mastering his tracks with modern bass, synthesizers, drums and stuff like that to make it more aurally-appealing, I guess. I like his music in all forms - just tabla and harmonium as well as the indie-collaborations.

Junoon did respectable hard rock versions of his songs, Bally Sagoo made decent lounge/club mixes, Anu Malik bastardized his music into Bollywood dance numbers etc. There were highs and lows.

 

[George P Burdell]

Originally posted by: logic1485
He has some nice songs, but I don't know any specific names.

^ What he said.

The guy was pretty good, but after his death, people have mixed his voice into pop songs which kills the whole Qawwali music type.

Even though I can't name any songs, I have a few favorites and I can pick his voice out when I hear it. Good stuff. All you need now is a hookah and you're set.

 

[preslove]

:thumbsup: on Nusrat. I have a great mix a dj friend of mine made from all his recordings release on One World. I don't know many of the songs on it, but Mustt Mustt is definitely on there. Why don't you take a listen and report back to us? I would like to pick up more of his music.

Originally posted by: mrzed
According to most musicologists, there are 3 main traditions of classical (AKA "art") music in the world: European, Indian and Chinese. Everything else is considered Folk music. The broad categories are defined by having a long tradition of purely professional musicians (Art Music) or being performed by amateurs (Folk Music) of course much folk music is performed by professionals, but its genesis is in the community, not among a professional class of musicians.

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan would be considered folk music, not Indian Classical, but as far as historical (musical) significance goes, he's got to be up there with the top tier of recent performers.

I would take issue with any classification that labeled Nusrat "folk." He was a Master of qawwal music, which has a long formal tradition with clear rules and techniques. No way in hell is it a folk art.

Originally posted by: MichaelD
This IS OT, last time I checked, right? So whatever my opinion is, on any thread, is just dandy.

You are a troll, and that ain't dandy. Stop ruining the thread, you fvcking asshole.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I would hardly call the work of any Pakistani musician "historically significant." Not hating, just factual. We have "classical music" which is a world-recognized standard. Any Pakistani music in there? NOPE.

I realize that AT has a large Escaped The Third World user base...but sorry, you lose the "historically signifcant" argument.

Wow pretty ignorant statement to make. I can see why your wife would leave you :laugh:

:thumbsup:

 

[DivideBYZero]

MichaelD is taking quite the owning. :thumbsup:

 

[Schfifty Five]

sorry had to bump this, this thread is too funny hahahaha.

 

[Mrfrog840]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
You say it like he's some artist of historical significance.

You obviously don't gave a darn, b/c if you "recently acquired" a large collection of his work, you would've LISTENED TO IT and made up your own mind instead of asking here what you should listen to.

They are mp3's, not fine bottles of wine; playing one or two won't make them go bad. :roll:

ROFL

 

[Double Trouble]

Never heard of him/her/it/whatever. I can only gather from the Wikipedia entry that it's pretty much some niche artist, and based on the quick samples I downloaded, not a very good one. Hey, to each his own I guess, that keeps things interesting!

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Well, there's been a few personnel attacks, but no substantiating evidence that this guy has any historically significant music anywhere outside his national community. Attack away; this is amusing.

Dude, I'm a middle class, middle age, white guy from Wisconsin. For Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music to have made it into my world is an acheivement on its own.

Let's see what Wikipedia has to say...

Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Urdu: ???? ??? ??? ???) (October 13, 1948 - August 16, 1997), a world-renowned Pakistani musician, was primarily a singer of Qawwali, the devotional music of the Sufis, a mystical offshoot of Islam. Ustad Nusrat is credited with taking this traditional musical art form to an international level and creating a new generation of Qawwali lovers both in Pakistan and around the world.


Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (second from left, with hands raised) on Pakistani TV (circa 1983)Traditionally, Qawwali has been a family business. Nusrat's family (originally from Afghanistan) has an unbroken tradition of performing qawwali for the last 600 years. Among other honorary titles bestowed upon him, Nusrat was called Shahenshah-e-Qawwali, meaning The Emperor of Qawwals.

Sounds like quite the track record. Why that predates Bach, Haydn, Beethoven, Mozart, and Chopin.

OK, point made. There are many art forms that go back many hundreds of years. While some may be quite popular in their own small niche, others have gained more worldwide recognition. Call them "Western Artists" or whatever, but in the civilized world (yes, I said it) no one knows who this guy is. "Mozart" (for example) is known around the world...except possibly India and Pakistan, of course.

Keep digging that hole.

I guess everyone on ATOT must be in India and Pakistan because we all know who he is.

And Indian/Pakistani people don't know who Mozart is? :roll:

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan has sold tens of millions of albums in Europe. Is that "civilized" and "Western" enough?

Everytime I read one of your posts, I can't help but see this image of a mullet and Nascar logo. Why is that, pawtnah?

Bump to remind Micheal about his previous pwning.

 

[slackerinabox]

He's amazing.. Or was..

I don't know about track names but I do consider myself a fan.