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zinfamous
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or you could look at in the way that the OP represents the childish greed of all of the financiers that caused the crisis in the first place.
what's that you say? it's not the same mentality? :roll:
Basically, the people who are arguing that he should keep it and that he has every right to, fit the profile of someone willing to bet away millions in employee retirement for their own personal gain. (yes: the OP keeping or damaging the set, causing financial hassle for the company will raise costs on other consumers--that's how these things work, dipshits.)
zinfamous
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eh, they gave him an extremely reasonable discount: $1200; $600 off the current price. OP gave them an unreasonable offer of $810, claiming that it matches a current Black Friday deal at his local store (well, 90 dollars LESS than the BF ad)
OP is a simpleton and doesn't understand how bargaining works, thinks he's in the right, and that he's going to "Stick it to the man" by stealing their TV.
If you don't see anything morally wrong with it, go ahead and keep the TV, no one's going to be able to change your mind. Legally, I don't think there's much the company can do to you. Possession is 9/10 of the law.
However, if you do see a moral dilemma, there's nothing unethical about charging them a handling fee to return it. They get back their TV, so they're happy. You get cold hard cash, so that should make you happy.
However, if you do see a moral dilemma, there's nothing unethical about charging them a handling fee to return it. They get back their TV, so they're happy. You get cold hard cash, so that should make you happy.
zinfamous
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right. I'm gonna believe that the guy who still thinks the plane can't take off is an authority on interpreting such a law correctly. suuuuuuuure.
and yeah, you suck at interpreting that law. OP ordered a TV. also, as required in that law you posted, I doubt this was not on the box that he ripped to pieces:
zinfamous
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again, he ordered the merchandise. there's proof all over this thread of his intent to keep the improper merchandise. This wasn't some randomly-shipped TV.
They have it on record that he ordered a TV, he refused to go out of his way to return it--actually laughed at them on the phone, then they refund his original purchase.
....The evidence, as it would appear in court, is not in the OP's favor. He called asking about his mount that hadn't shipped--not to inform that they sent him the wrong TV.
Request the company to send another box with shipping label and also to ensure proper pickup. Tell them the box is too damaged to ensure proper reshipping and if they continue to push the issue, tell them you will do it but will not be responsible for damages to the TV.
This is their error, but you have to send the TV back. While opening the box wasn't the best thing to do, it shouldn't matter in this case. I've received items in the improper box before and even though it could be assumed by the size of the box, you never know.
This is their error, but you have to send the TV back. While opening the box wasn't the best thing to do, it shouldn't matter in this case. I've received items in the improper box before and even though it could be assumed by the size of the box, you never know.
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What would give me that interpretation? I dunno, I just couldn't see anyone keeping it. I like to imagine the good in people.
Plus he never just came straight out and said he's hooking it up. If he was hell bent on keeping it, that fucker would be on the wall by now.
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My sig is to remind me not to take things so seriously. I can get worked up pretty easy if I am not careful. I sent you a PM saying I was sorry for getting so worked up.
I still think it would be wrong in many ways to keep the TV. But in the end its your life. You have to make that decision and live with your choice. I really hope you do the right thing.
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Wow, epic thread. I'd have to say (with my very uninformed opinion) it doesn't sound like the OP is under any obligation to return this tv, despite the fact that ethically he should. Yes, they can charge him. But he can also dispute the charges with his credit card company. He does have a legitimate complaint that he has no way of transporting the tv. If I were in the OP's shoes I would say "either arrange for pickup of this tv, or go fuck yourself". Its not his responsibility to inconvenience him because a company fucked up. Everyone is saying "look at it from another perspective". Well, a lot of times when companies do mess up they force the customer to go out of their way to get the situation fixed, if they even fix it. Now that they screwed up instead of them going out of their way they want him to go out of his way again? Pfft. He never asked to be refunded his money, they just did it. He was trying to get the situation resolved when they decided to play hard ball. I highly doubt whatever manager is handling this situation is smart enough to set his company up for a positive legal battle. Now that's not to say they won't win, but the cost of going to legal battle for the company will surely be more than the tv is worth. They may do it on principle alone and if thats the case it will be a bigger inconvenience for the OP, but thats a game of chicken right there.
At the end of the day the OP should send it back, but the company should arrange pickup and cover all shipping costs.
At the end of the day the OP should send it back, but the company should arrange pickup and cover all shipping costs.
DrPizza
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http://www.georgia.gov/00/arti...39081_38193172,00.html[/quote]
That's it! For the life of me, I couldn't remember that name last night when I saw this thread. OP and asshats in this thread telling the OP to keep it should do a bit of googling on unjust enrichment
Reading Comprehension takes it on the chin, yet again.
Don't you guys tire of having people tell you to slow down and check your work before turning it in?
Does it really help your point to ignore the true meaning of the word"unsolicited"?
olds
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That's it! For the life of me, I couldn't remember that name last night when I saw this thread. OP and asshats in this thread telling the OP to keep it should do a bit of googling on unjust enrichment[/quote]
I'll help them out.
Your example ignores several key portions of the transaction. First is the order, then is the mistaken delivery, then is the failure of the op to correct that error
Yes, if you are handed the wrong ice cream, it is incumbent on you to say"this is not what I ordered". Failure to do so, then refuse to compensate adequately or return the item , when informed of the error, is the point of contention.
At that point, you become a willing , active participant in unjust enrichment, or more simply, stealing.
You exhibit a great deal of ignorance as to the extent to which the USPS goes to investigate and prosecute Mail Fraud.
Postal Inspectors carry guns, have wide search and seziure regulations ( you agree to let them inspect anything when you use the Mail) and will come to your house and haul you off for stealing a TV in the manner of the OP .
Just mess with a a big customer of the USPS and find out. They protect their customers. That would be all of us. Report Mail Fraud
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