any inputs on this Rig

[Novercalis]

2 Dual Screen Monitors: 2x2005 or 2x2405============== approx: $1,000 - $1,500
Speakers: Unknown ============================ approx: $100
***Keyboard: Generic ========================== $15
***Mouse: Razer Copperhead ===================== $80
***Case: Antec P180 =========================== approx: $95
PSU: Unknown =============================== approx: $100
***Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum ============== approx: $125
RAMS: 2x1gig OCZ pc3200 DDR400 Plat =============== approx: $250
Processor: AMD X2 4400+ ======================== approx: $500
HeatSink Fan: Unknown ========================== approx: $75
Thermalgrease: ================================ approx: $35
Video Card: 7800 GTX (eVGA/BFG) =================== approx: $500
Soundcard: Unknown ============================ approx: $125
500 HDD *SATA or IDE* ========================= approx: $275
DVD/CDR/CDRW combo: =========================== approx: $75

those are also my budget listing....

Would like to know more on:

PSU
HSF (not doing Overclocking so if Stock HSF is good, than let me know)
Thermalgrease
Speakers: perferablly headsets vs 2.1 or 5.1 setup
Soundcard: Good for movies/Games with use of Headset

also:
Hard Drive: still dont know much about SATA... is it recommended over IDE?


I intent to do Video editing, gaming, Video edting, Audio edting, graphics, Rendering, Gaming some more. Also alot of CD burning

So I would like to burn 2 at a time as well, and have one small HDD dedicatd for OS/Games

another HD - music, video

another HD or partition for workstation tools.. I dont know.. im just trying to fully utilize the HDD for optimal performance, read/write etc.

 

[chrisrod01]

mbo- DFI SLI
Soundcard -X-Fi
HS - the new zalman 9500 hasnt come out
monitor-duel 2005fpw
Mouse-for 80buck go with a g7 from logitech hasnt come out

 

[Soccerman06]

You really want a copperhead mouse? ok...

PSU doesnt really matter as long as its above 400 watts and is a name brand

Stock HSF is fine

Sound card... X-FI is apparently the new thing, so if you really need one, thats the one.

Go to BB and listen to the speakers they have, then go on the internet and buy them. Some speakers are worth the money and others arent, all depends on what you like.

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: chrisrod01
mbo- DFI SLI
Soundcard -X-Fi
HS - the new zalman 9500 hasnt come out
monitor-duel 2005fpw

Did you even read the post? Hes not going to OC

 

[Novercalis]

Well i will be overclocking, but not anytime soon. So I dont want the hassle of DFI going all stock for the time being.

PSU: 400W is minimum I need??? thought I be needing atleast 500w.
HSF - thx for the info, saves me some cash on that

Soundcard - I'll probably need to do more researc on this, wish we had an audio forum.

yeah with Copperhead.. why not since im running a 500 dpi mouse.. also alot of other mouse I did run into for cheap price is uncomfortable fo me.. Left handed.

I was looking at OCZ rams and notice Platnium Rams, Titianium and performance...

Now I saw a thread here about Titanium vs Platnium and everyone said to go Platnium.

Now I ask, Platnium vs Performance ram.. whats the difference... Performance is cheaper than Plat so im assuming sitkc to Plat?
and Gold btw?

 

[ReliableData]

everything that you have is good imo except:
maybe go the 4800+ if you've got the cash
go with saitek keyboard (either eclipse or pc gamer)

Get PCP&C 510 SLI (psu) so you could later add another 7800

 

[imported_rod]

PSU: Something like the Antec TruPowerII 480W would be plenty.

The stock HSF is good enough to overclock with, so if you're not overclocking it'll be fine.

Thermalgrease - comes on the bottom of the stock HSF

Headsets are good for gaming, 2.1 are fine, but 5.1 on a PC seem like overkill. If you want 5.1, hook your PC up to a 5.1 multimedia system, you'll get better quality and more functionality for the same price.

Soundcard: Onboard sound is fine. I wouldn't bother with a sound card unless you do audio editing/mixing or something like that.

Definately get a SATA HDD - they're better than IDE, and are about the same price now. You may want to get SATAII (with ncq).

I intent to do Video editing, gaming, Video edting, Audio edting, graphics, Rendering, Gaming some more. Also alot of CD burning

- Sounds like a dual core P4 may be better value, but the X2 should do fine, and it'll be better for gaming.

HDDs:
Here's just an example of what you might want:
120GB Seagate SATAII for OS/Games/Apps (or even a 74GB raptor if it fit's in your budget)
300GB-400GB SATA with 16MB cache for everything else.

RoD

 

[Soccerman06]

Well, if our going to use SLI, then you should go with a minimum power of 500 watts. But non-sli systems often dont need the extra power, if you plan on OC later, get something with 450+ watts.

Performance vs Platinum vs Titanium ram is pointless. They all do about the same speeds. Mushkin Redline and Crucial VX series are the best performance ram out right now, but you need a DFI board (not sure if theres another) to take advantage of their potential (533mhz at 2-2-2-5). I like the Crucial Ballistix DDR. But remember you cant really go wrong with ram.

Wow a left handed person. Guess thats why you like the raptor.

 

[Novercalis]

"Wow a left handed person. Guess thats why you like the raptor"
HUH???

****Soundcard: I'll start off with onboard sound and see if I like it or not..
****CPU: no need for 4800.. 4400 is enough!
****PSU: thx for the info: what PSU should I get than with a 450-500w?

The 74gb Raptor: how much are they? how much difference vs 120 Seagate you mentioned?

Okay, so I see SATA is perferred over IDE... I dont know sata.. do i have to treat them differently? Set them up differently?

than SATA vs SATAII difference? NCQ huh?
seeing my budget for HDD is approx 300.. if its 50-75 more for a good HDD setup to utlize speed. read/write multiples I have no problem.. but 400 to me is pushing it.
as long as I have a MINIMUM 400 gig, perfer 500gig... IM HAPPY.


oh BTW: unless there is another DFI board with only ONE pci-e and more than 2 pci slots.. point it out for me please... Cause the one I kept reading and seeing about DFI is the SLI one with:


here is a copy/paste of boh board and why i choosen msi:

MSI NEO4:
AGP Slots None
PCI Express x16 1
PCI Express x1 1
PCI Slots 4
Other Slots 1 x PCI Express X 4

DFI:
AGP Slots None
PCI Express x16 2
PCI Express x1 1
PCI Slots 2
Other Slots 1x PCI Express X4

****I dont need DFI 2 pci-e X16.. so unless there is another DFI non SLI, pls pls pls link it.
THX U

 

[Blain]

Originally posted by: Novercalis
any inputs on this Rig.

no

 

[Novercalis]

bump; need sata, sata II, ncq info.
easy to use, set up, like ide or no?

oh yeah and lastly, since I just finish reading the r520 new report from AT mainpage...
should I wait for the r520 now?

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: rod
PSU: Something like the Antec TruPowerII 480W would be plenty.

The stock HSF is good enough to overclock with, so if you're not overclocking it'll be fine.

Thermalgrease - comes on the bottom of the stock HSF

Headsets are good for gaming, 2.1 are fine, but 5.1 on a PC seem like overkill. If you want 5.1, hook your PC up to a 5.1 multimedia system, you'll get better quality and more functionality for the same price.

Soundcard: Onboard sound is fine. I wouldn't bother with a sound card unless you do audio editing/mixing or something like that.

Definately get a SATA HDD - they're better than IDE, and are about the same price now. You may want to get SATAII (with ncq).

I intent to do Video editing, gaming, Video edting, Audio edting, graphics, Rendering, Gaming some more. Also alot of CD burning

- Sounds like a dual core P4 may be better value, but the X2 should do fine, and it'll be better for gaming.

HDDs:
Here's just an example of what you might want:
120GB Seagate SATAII for OS/Games/Apps (or even a 74GB raptor if it fit's in your budget)
300GB-400GB SATA with 16MB cache for everything else.

RoD

a lot of misinformation in this post. rod is ignorant saying sata hdds are better than pata because pata is ide, news flash - they are both ide. basically for a hdd, get the size you want/need in whichever flavor they have it in for the price you want to pay. if the sata is cheaper, get it, if the pata is cheaper get it. it really doesn't matter when you are comparing a 7200rpm 8MB cache sata to a 7200rpm 8MB cache pata, the speeds will be nearly the same.

rod also does not know what programs you are using so there is no way he can say that a p4 dc would be better than a x2. op - you may want to contact the company that makes your software and see if it is optimized for either one. rod is living about 1.5 years ago when the p4s dominated the encoding arena, but now the a64s have caught up so unless the program is somehow optimized for a dc p4 the x2 will be better as it will be cooler and run everything else faster.

as far as ram, go with the platinum. the titanium probaby has faster timings but it really doesn't matter with the amd cpus.

psu - go with enermax, seasonic or pc&p ~500W

 

[w00t]

dual 2405fpw ur crazy.

 

[Novercalis]

so there is no difference with ide and sata???
and NCQ??? would it benefit me? than again, what is it? (about to do search on it)

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

NCQ doesn't really have many benefits, and in some cases, it may decrease performance. Both PATA and SATA are IDE. The IDE you're talking about is PATA (Parallel ATA). The only advantage of having a SATA drive is that the cables are much thinner, don't block airflow, and don't look ugly. That's a pretty good advantage though, which is why I recommend SATA. Also, there's no need for expensive RAM. You won't be overclocking anyways, so value RAM should be just fine. Besides, the Neo4 Platinum can only pump 2.85V into your RAM. I recommend Corsair, OCZ, or Crucial value RAM.

 

[Novercalis]

yeah but ram is something to always futureproof with.
going cheap on RAM is dumb.
I got a cheap comp therefor I got a cheap ram.

Curently:

amd 2500 XP barton
Asus A7n8x-e deluxe mobo
Stock HSF
Raderon 9600 Pro
Soundblaster
Antec SL350 350w PSU
40 gig HDD
60gig HDD
40 external HDD
40x12x40 cd burner
cdr
2x512 generix pc3200 ddr400 ram
with a very nice looking case that costed me 15 bucks...

so this new rig is a HUGE HUGE HUGE improvement...
also im on a 15' CRT!

so going with REAL RAM i can take that over with all my new builds I tend to have every year or so.

 

[Ike0069]

I also recommend SATA soley for the cables. Speeds are basically the same, but using SATA cables is much easier when building.

Originally posted by: Novercalis
yeah but ram is something to always futureproof with.
going cheap on RAM is dumb.
I got a cheap comp therefor I got a cheap ram.

Not sure exactly what you consider cheap RAM, but there is nothing wrong with Value RAm from somebody like Corsair/OCZ/Crucial, etc. Value RAM really just means it doesn't OC that well, but it will run perfect at stock speeds/timings.

I personally really like the Fortron 500W bluestorm
Just the fact that all the calbles come sleeved is a big plus for me, and Fortron makes very good PSU's.

 

[Novercalis]

thx for the PSU link.. since my buget for a PSU is approx 100, this is 91..
Id appreciate if I can get a good PSU around 60-75 maybe?

or drop me a list of psu namebrands since I only know antec.

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: Novercalis
thx for the PSU link.. since my buget for a PSU is approx 100, this is 91..
Id appreciate if I can get a good PSU around 60-75 maybe?

or drop me a list of psu namebrands since I only know antec.

Fortron, Enermax, Seasonic, OCZ.

Fortron 450W $49.99
Plain gray color, no PFC, and cables not sleeved.
If you don't mind these differences, this PSU will provide more than enough power. It's 20 or 24 pin, and has one PCI-e power plug. Will work great and is a steal for the price IMO.

 

[interchange]

Originally posted by: Ike0069
Not sure exactly what you consider cheap RAM, but there is nothing wrong with Value RAm from somebody like Corsair/OCZ/Crucial, etc. Value RAM really just means it doesn't OC that well, but it will run perfect at stock speeds/timings.

Value RAM means that the RAM isn't tested like the performance RAM. It is generally the exact same stuff and usually capable of much better timings then rated. Either way, you get the same warranty.

 

[Novercalis]

well, can I buy sleeves for all my cable necessities anyways?

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: interchange

Originally posted by: Ike0069
Not sure exactly what you consider cheap RAM, but there is nothing wrong with Value RAm from somebody like Corsair/OCZ/Crucial, etc. Value RAM really just means it doesn't OC that well, but it will run perfect at stock speeds/timings.

Value RAM means that the RAM isn't tested like the performance RAM. It is generally the exact same stuff and usually capable of much better timings then rated. Either way, you get the same warranty.

I agree with this in part. Yes Value RAM will sometimes run with tighter timings than stock. It depends on the stick as it has not been tested at anything other than what is listed as you stated.

But Value RAM will not be made with the "good stuff", like TCCD that really likes voltage and OC's well. You need to buy Performance RAM for that. To me, that is the main difference.

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: Novercalis
well, can I buy sleeves for all my cable necessities anyways?

Yes, many places sell sleeving kits. But this will also add to your budget, and the when doing it for the first time, it will not be "quick and easy".
After having sleeved my current PSU, I must say I'd rather pay a little extra for a pre-sleeved PSU, than sleeve it myself again.

It's not really difficult, but it is fairly time consuming. Especially if you do not have all the correct tools. I never did get the 4-pin CPU connector plug removed because I don't have an ATX removal tool, only a molex removal tool. (luckily my 20 pin ATX wire bundle was already sleeved by Antec).

 

[Novercalis]

oic oic!! I'll GHETTO RIG DUCT TAPE.. but b4 I do.. I make sure I spraypaint the ducttape and add the magic color "glow in the dark" to it!
yeah baby!
Fk the p180... I'll use the dell 2405 box when it arrives and put everything in that sweet case.. lol...

ok ok...
yeah.. um. well, its gonna be a antec case anyways.. so as long as my machine is running.. i dont care than.
I'll just end up doing what I do good at, cable management so no biggie there.

now im curently looking at the ram.
apparently the OCZ EL Plat rev 2 are only 2x512 kits.

Im looking for a dual channel 2x1 gig PERFORMANCE RAM.
any other suggestion since OCZ is out of the picture apparently when i checked thier main website.

 

[Soccerman06]

The only thing you need to worry about with HDD is how fast they rotate, and how much cache are in them. Go to here (300 gig, 16meg cache, 7200rpm) and here (74gig, 10k rpm, 8mb cache). One for gaming, one for storage, simple as that.

Good choice on the 4400+, I would get the same one. The P-D EE (840) is the only Intel DC processor that can match the AMD X2s is terms of performance like encoding, but cant compare with gaming, X2 wins gaming hands down. Because you state that you will be doing video editing, gamings, audio editing, praphics, rendering, gaming some more... you might want to consider the P-D EE because it has 4 cores (2 real, 2 virtual) but is also like $1000 if you can find it.

Could you update your list please and show what youve decided on getting and show the final price.