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trenchfoot

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As has been evidenced by the eight years it took two businessmen, OIL-stained men at that, to run our country into the gutters, bigtime businessmen and the selfish "ethics" they get indoctrinated with do not make good leaders of the most powerful country in the world.

They tend to use the powers given them by the people the same way and for the same reason they used their powers as big businessmen: Enrich themselves and the ones who helped them get rich and screw the rest (yes, that means you and me) because the "rest" are either the competition or an impediment to the main reason they took office in the first place.

Cain is cut from the same cloth.
 
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Yeah... and Obama hasn't done any of that. :rolleyes:

Not that I give a shit who is president anymore... I don't think it makes any difference. But I also think that the non-business oriented community organizer has shown us all beyond a reasonable doubt that he's just as completely unqualified to help anyone beyond his circle of friends as his predecessors.

Part of me wants to see him reelected in the same way that I prefer to have the bandaid ripped off instead of slowly pealed off. This country is rapidly reaching its 'come to Jesus' moment financially. I'd rather just get there and deal with it and skip the anxiety of the wait. Obama gives us the fast path to that eventuality.
 
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trenchfoot

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Yeah... and Obama hasn't done any of that.

In some aspects of his presidency, I have to agree. However, as I see it, Obama has the added burden of being the spokeman for the middle class and the poor. That's something that Bush and Cheney clearly were not champions of and the miserable results of that is what Obama has had to deal with.

If Obama had inherited from Bush what Bush inherited from Clinton, state of the union-wise, it's pretty obvious to me the middle class and the poor would be far better off now under his presidency than the train wreck Bush Corp oversaw and helped cause. As far as the very rich are concerned, they have insulated themselves far beyond the negative effects any president could cause them so the only thing that really concerns them is which president they can squeeze the most profits out of.

Not that I give a shit who is president anymore... I don't think it makes any difference. But I also think that the non-business oriented community organizer has shown us all beyond a reasonable doubt that he's just as completely unqualified to help anyone beyond his circle of friends as his predecessors.

Well, the miserable cards Obama was dealt and the damage control policies he was forced to impliment can only be compared with what would have happened if the Party that actually helped cause the mess Obama inherited was tasked with fixing the very mess they were responsible for creating. They would have applied the very same ideology and principles that created the whole financial debacle they left Obama with.

Doesn't make sense does it?

And I think it somewhat unfair to Obama that not only did he have to to stop the hemmoraging the nation was dying from the moment he took office, he's also being demanded to heal the nation a whole lot faster than it took to damage it as badly as it was, and he's having to do it with an opposition party that has as it's main priority to get rid of him after his first term by refusing anything and everything he's proposing to get the nation back on track to prosperity.

The Repubs are doing their utmost to keep the nation in the dumps to get rid of Obama rather than putting the nation first by cooperating and compromising the way they should.

Yet, with all of this stonewalling and intransigent behavior they've been blatantly bashing Obama with, the Repubs refuse to take any of the blame for the damage their inexcusable behavior is causing and instead point the finger at Obama for all of the ills they themselves are causing.

Given this scenario, I think it's amazing that Obama has gotten anything done at all with the complete and resolute resistance the Repubs have blocked his and the nation's path with.
 

Anarchist420

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Herman Cain sucks ass. He wants to endanger us by involving us in the middle east, he supports the gold exchange standard, and his 9-9-9 plan sucks left nut. He, Obama, and Romney are more dangerous to liberty than Al-qaida could be in its wildest dreams.
 
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In some aspects of his presidency, I have to agree. However, as I see it, Obama has the added burden of being the spokeman for the middle class and the poor. That's something that Bush and Cheney clearly were not champions of and the miserable results of that is what Obama has had to deal with.

If Obama had inherited from Bush what Bush inherited from Clinton, state of the union-wise, it's pretty obvious to me the middle class and the poor would be far better off now under his presidency than the train wreck Bush Corp oversaw and helped cause. As far as the very rich are concerned, they have insulated themselves far beyond the negative effects any president could cause them so the only thing that really concerns them is which president they can squeeze the most profits out of.



Well, the miserable cards Obama was dealt and the damage control policies he was forced to impliment can only be compared with what would have happened if the Party that actually helped cause the mess Obama inherited was tasked with fixing the very mess they were responsible for creating. They would have applied the very same ideology and principles that created the whole financial debacle they left Obama with.

Doesn't make sense does it?

And I think it somewhat unfair to Obama that not only did he have to to stop the hemmoraging the nation was dying from the moment he took office, he's also being demanded to heal the nation a whole lot faster than it took to damage it as badly as it was, and he's having to do it with an opposition party that has as it's main priority to get rid of him after his first term by refusing anything and everything he's proposing to get the nation back on track to prosperity.

The Repubs are doing their utmost to keep the nation in the dumps to get rid of Obama rather than putting the nation first by cooperating and compromising the way they should.

Yet, with all of this stonewalling and intransigent behavior they've been blatantly bashing Obama with, the Repubs refuse to take any of the blame for the damage their inexcusable behavior is causing and instead point the finger at Obama for all of the ills they themselves are causing.

Given this scenario, I think it's amazing that Obama has gotten anything done at all with the complete and resolute resistance the Repubs have blocked his and the nation's path with.

I'm too tired of it all to get into these kinds of debates anymore. It all comes down to rationalizations and equivocation.

1. Yeah, my guy does it too... but to a much lesser extent than your guy did so it's not so bad.
2. My guy is trying soo soo hard and his vision would work brilliantly if your guys weren't working so hard to stop him.

The reality is Obama increased spending by a shit-ton in a down economy that yielded reduced tax revenues. Blame republicans or Bush or the man on the moon for the down economy but blame Obama for doing exactly the opposite of what he should have done in that situation.
 

trenchfoot

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I'm too tired of it all to get into these kinds of debates anymore. It all comes down to rationalizations and equivocation.

1. Yeah, my guy does it too... but to a much lesser extent than your guy did so it's not so bad.
2. My guy is trying soo soo hard and his vision would work brilliantly if your guys weren't working so hard to stop him.

The reality is Obama increased spending by a shit-ton in a down economy that yielded reduced tax revenues. Blame republicans or Bush or the man on the moon for the down economy but blame Obama for doing exactly the opposite of what he should have done in that situation.

Arguable, but IRT your opening statement in your post, I feel the same way.:)
 

Todd33

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a true conservative with a brain AND does not play the game of signing pledges to some tea bagger terrorist.

This does not exist. To win the GOP ticket you have to run so far to the right you have to look like an idiot that hates science, loves the literal Bible and runs against everything that is electable in a general election.
 

dmcowen674

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Cains campaign is being funded by the Koch brothers:

10-16-2011

http://news.yahoo.com/long-ties-koch-brothers-key-cains-campaign-110518961.html

Cain's campaign manager and a number of aides have worked for Americans for Prosperity, or AFP, the advocacy group founded with support from billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, which lobbies for lower taxes and less government regulation and spending. Cain credits a businessman who served on an AFP advisory board with helping devise his "9-9-9" plan to rewrite the nation's tax code. And his years of speaking at AFP events have given the businessman and radio host a network of loyal grassroots fans.

AFP's agenda also includes weakening private and public sector unions, opposing environmental regulations and undoing Obama's health care reform law, among other policies.
 

OrByte

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tying Cain to Koch Bros. is SOP in politics.

Some people would be swayed by it.

Im more interested in peoples reactions to Cain's policy ideas. Let the man speak, give him all the rope he needs.
 

Anarchist420

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Cains campaign is being funded by the Koch brothers:

10-16-2011

http://news.yahoo.com/long-ties-koch-brothers-key-cains-campaign-110518961.html

Cain's campaign manager and a number of aides have worked for Americans for Prosperity, or AFP, the advocacy group founded with support from billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, which lobbies for lower taxes and less government regulation and spending. Cain credits a businessman who served on an AFP advisory board with helping devise his "9-9-9" plan to rewrite the nation's tax code. And his years of speaking at AFP events have given the businessman and radio host a network of loyal grassroots fans.

AFP's agenda also includes weakening private and public sector unions, opposing environmental regulations and undoing Obama's health care reform law, among other policies.
He seemed like a beltway libertarian. Anyway, most people who identify as Republicans either don't realize that pro-business and pro-market are not the same thing, or they prefer pro-business and mostly hate the market.

I'm sick of the damn public-private partnerships that the Kocktopus is always advocated. There needs to be a wall between government and the private sector. Ron Paul is the only one who is willing to place a wall between government and the private sector.
 

Ausm

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tying Cain to Koch Bros. is SOP in politics.

Some people would be swayed by it.

Im more interested in peoples reactions to Cain's policy ideas. Let the man speak, give him all the rope he needs.

:twisted:
 

Fear No Evil

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tying Cain to Koch Bros. is SOP in politics.

Some people would be swayed by it.

Im more interested in peoples reactions to Cain's policy ideas. Let the man speak, give him all the rope he needs.

Discussion of a black man and giving him all the rope he needs? I think we know who the true racists are.
 

cubby1223

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Herman Cain was interviewed tonight 10/6 by Lawrence O'Donnell (MSNBC).
It will be reran on MSNBC.
An extremely contentious interview. I had no idea Cain was so "unelectable".
In the 60's he felt that blacks should have "behaved", sitting at the back of the bus, and not "stir things up".
Gays are gay by choice.
Dogging the draft during the Vietnam war was fine and dandy (for him).
Some interview... thanks to O"Donnell.

The pizza man has a little temper issue to address...

What is the purpose of this thread and the title? You just happened to log onto AT P&N and said to yourself - I want to find some people to insult today!
 

cubby1223

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Discussion of a black man and giving him all the rope he needs? I think we know who the true racists are.

That's where you have it completely wrong. It's never racist to attack the black man if he is a Republican. Just like supporting a black Republican does nothing to counteract every Republican's inherent inner-racism.
 

Siddhartha

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Cains campaign is being funded by the Koch brothers:

10-16-2011

http://news.yahoo.com/long-ties-koch-brothers-key-cains-campaign-110518961.html

Cain's campaign manager and a number of aides have worked for Americans for Prosperity, or AFP, the advocacy group founded with support from billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, which lobbies for lower taxes and less government regulation and spending. Cain credits a businessman who served on an AFP advisory board with helping devise his "9-9-9" plan to rewrite the nation's tax code. And his years of speaking at AFP events have given the businessman and radio host a network of loyal grassroots fans.

AFP's agenda also includes weakening private and public sector unions, opposing environmental regulations and undoing Obama's health care reform law, among other policies.

AFAIK, this would not be a deal breaker for the GOP.
 

spidey07

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Hmm, backed by AFP vs black panther, rev wright, and domestic terrorists?

Choice is obvious. You need a Cain to beat down Obama.
 

ttown

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Herman Cain was interviewed tonight 10/6 by Lawrence O'Donnell (MSNBC).
It will be reran on MSNBC.
An extremely contentious interview. I had no idea Cain was so "unelectable".
In the 60's he felt that blacks should have "behaved", sitting at the back of the bus, and not "stir things up".
Gays are gay by choice.
Dogging the draft during the Vietnam war was fine and dandy (for him).
Some interview... thanks to O"Donnell.

The pizza man has a little temper issue to address...

Did you even watch the interview? I did after you posted this since i'm a Cain fan.
Other than "gays are gay by choice" you and most left-wing commenters here have completely misrepresented the interview.
Regarding gays: You might disagree. Some people don't. It's irrelevant. "Next question."

A little historical background that wasn't mentioned in the interview
Rosa Parks refusing to go to the back of the bus was in 1955. 8 years before Cain started college. 7 if you want to round down on the timing. That would be 6th grade.
 
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