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any great new processor/mobo tech coming in January?
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mechBgon
Super Moderator<br>Elite Member
I heard about a new* HDD technology that will allow up to 14 drives per cable and cable lengths up to 12 meters :Q The drives run up to 15000rpms and have very low seek times, tagged command queueing, 5-year warranties, optional hot-swap capability... but the cost per GB is going to be quite high 🙁 Anyway, they can run on standard mobos using an adapter card.
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mechBgon
Super Moderator<br>Elite Member
I'm 97% nice, 3% troll, and the troll part is SCSI troll 😀 Don't mind me...
Just for perspective, though, I have a 1GHz Duron at home with an older 15000rpm SCSI drive, and my mom's system looks a lot better on paper (1.8GHz Duron, modern ATA drives) but is much less responsive in seat-of-the-pants usage. I was over there last night trying to run a virus scan, burn a home-movie DVD and switch users... talk about frustration, the ATA drives were all "you mean, all at the same time?! 😕"
mechBgon: why is this so hard?! :| SWITCH USERS ALREADY, YOU PIECE OF JUNK! :roll:
I think that system is going to inherit a Cheetah X15-36LP when I get my next 15k drive.
Just for perspective, though, I have a 1GHz Duron at home with an older 15000rpm SCSI drive, and my mom's system looks a lot better on paper (1.8GHz Duron, modern ATA drives) but is much less responsive in seat-of-the-pants usage. I was over there last night trying to run a virus scan, burn a home-movie DVD and switch users... talk about frustration, the ATA drives were all "you mean, all at the same time?! 😕"
mechBgon: why is this so hard?! :| SWITCH USERS ALREADY, YOU PIECE OF JUNK! :roll:
I think that system is going to inherit a Cheetah X15-36LP when I get my next 15k drive.
^ SCSI pimp, ho, and troll?!? :shocked: 😀
Bluemax:
What kind of souncard and audio components do you have on your computer?
The reason i am asking is that i am planning to build a computer to run audio applications as well and i am wondering if i just need to get a good soundcard or do i need a separate amp to get pretty good sounds.
Thanks!
What kind of souncard and audio components do you have on your computer?
The reason i am asking is that i am planning to build a computer to run audio applications as well and i am wondering if i just need to get a good soundcard or do i need a separate amp to get pretty good sounds.
Thanks!
I'll most liekly be running a cheap-but-awesome card from M-Audio's Audiophile series. MIDI port, clean audio, proper ASIO2 low-latency drivers and super support from the music industy - including the makers of pro-audio software. The older Audiophile 2496 is cheap now that a 192khz version is out.
MIDI will connect any old, old external sound modules and a new MIDI controller keyboard. Getting MIDI and audio on the same PROFESSIONAL card (read: NOT SandBlaster!) means reliable low-latency MIDI control too.
A64 Power Consumption @ 2.2GHz
130nm: 75W
90nm: 48W
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...y/athlon64-90nm_5.html
They don't actually run that much cooler temperature-wise though since the surface area of the Newcastle is 75% larger than the Winchester (144mm^2 vs. 83mm^2).
on the CPU side, probably just better clockspeeds and overclocking due to SSDOI technology. Possibly SSE3, but not for sure. Dual core and DDR2 won't be till late next year/early 2006, definitely not on the horizon yet.
As for mobos, NF4 is pretty much the king of the hill for a while. the Intel nforce chipset will be pretty much the same, but with DDR2 667 support. NF4 pretty much laid everything new out on the table, there won't be a whole lot of improvements till soundstorm 2 (if it does indeed come back) and their NF4 IGP chipset (6200 series graphics with "turbo cache" shared/dedicated memory combo), and those will not be out for a while. And as for availability, yeah, they are scarce, but they are available. I happen to have one sitting on my desk as we speak, waiting for the components to put into it (it's an Asus A8N-SLI, btw, i found it for $201 on novapcs.com). Gigabyte, MSI, and DFI boards are all popping up for preorder.
As for mobos, NF4 is pretty much the king of the hill for a while. the Intel nforce chipset will be pretty much the same, but with DDR2 667 support. NF4 pretty much laid everything new out on the table, there won't be a whole lot of improvements till soundstorm 2 (if it does indeed come back) and their NF4 IGP chipset (6200 series graphics with "turbo cache" shared/dedicated memory combo), and those will not be out for a while. And as for availability, yeah, they are scarce, but they are available. I happen to have one sitting on my desk as we speak, waiting for the components to put into it (it's an Asus A8N-SLI, btw, i found it for $201 on novapcs.com). Gigabyte, MSI, and DFI boards are all popping up for preorder.
Philippine Mango
Diamond Member
Question: Are there people who think ATA interface is better entirely than the SCSI interface? I have worked with SCSI and I can see how it would be difficult for a newbie but when you get the hang of it and you have ACTUAL/properly working drivers its not soo bad.
Here are the advantages I see with the two interfaces:
SCSI:
Fast, Fastest drives 15kRPM, supports many many devices, good support from legacy operating systems (IDE too of course), PCI-X Controllers to better take advantage of that bandwidth etc, so fast that systems with little ram are not slowed down since SCSI drives are so fast paging isn't an issue! (Love that one!), Raid Support that has been around for a while
ATA: Simple, Relatively fast drives, very very good driver support (more so than scsi) so many more drives out there that are IDE, Cheaper, larger capacity, practically every desktop has got a drive based on it so drives are interchangeable.
SATA The same as ATA except, higher bandwidth then before but still not as fast as scsi, faster drives, Raid support (ATA too but not as common/support).
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Here are the advantages I see with the two interfaces:
SCSI:
Fast, Fastest drives 15kRPM, supports many many devices, good support from legacy operating systems (IDE too of course), PCI-X Controllers to better take advantage of that bandwidth etc, so fast that systems with little ram are not slowed down since SCSI drives are so fast paging isn't an issue! (Love that one!), Raid Support that has been around for a while
ATA: Simple, Relatively fast drives, very very good driver support (more so than scsi) so many more drives out there that are IDE, Cheaper, larger capacity, practically every desktop has got a drive based on it so drives are interchangeable.
SATA The same as ATA except, higher bandwidth then before but still not as fast as scsi, faster drives, Raid support (ATA too but not as common/support).
Anymore you can see? Just post!
VirtualLarry
No Lifer
LOL. Good one. 🙂
Yeah, I used to have an i440BX/PII rig, with a crud-load of SCSI peripherals in a full-tower case. I could rip, burn, watch a DVD, and play a PSX emulator, all at the same time. (Scary, eh?) I can't even burn CDs disc-to-disc on my current Athlon/KT400/8235 system. 🙁
If only the prices for current-gen SCSI peripherals hadn't either become non-existant or the prices gone through the roof, I'd probably still be running those devices.
Yeah, my former employer a few years ago that was an independent reseller in the area, and knew his stuff - his personal home rig was all-SCSI too, on a good old 2940(UW).
I was both fascinated and disturbed that I can't do a file-copy operation involving my Maxtor 250GB DM+9 on my current system, while burning a file reading off of same drive, to my NEC 4x DVD burner, without triggering burn-proof left and right. IDE devices just do not like to share. 🙁 (My IBM 30GB 75GXP was pretty fast though, as IDE HDs go, in terms of seeks and simultanious accesses - I think their firmware-engineering guys are the same ones that did the firmware for IBM's SCSI drives. IBM PATA drives were some of the first to support ATA TCQ too.) In my i440BX system, I had no problem ripping from one CD while burning another, both to the 75GXP, although only at like 8x CD speeds.
Here's what I don't get - the "ghost of SCSI" lives on, in the form of SCSI command protocols, over both SATA-2 and/or SASI (not totally clear on that yet myself), and Firewire/IEEE1394a. So why don't we see more peripherals using Firewire (like CD/DVD burners!), instead of SATA or USB2.0? USB has to be one of the most convoluted, "clunky" peripheral-attachment interfaces around, IMHO. Fine for mice/keyboard/joysticks, but anything more than that is questionable. I remember back when printers and scanners were on SCSI too - so why aren't there more Firewire-capable printers/scanners out there? I would think that they would have a good selling-point for video/photo enthusiasts too - hook your Firewire-capable DV camcorder to your printer directly, and print photos directly from video still-frames, stuff like that.
I sometimes think that the industry has become "too smart", they "churn" technology for consumers, triggering another technology-replacement buying cycle, but with no real benefit. We're running, but we're not actually getting anywhere. Kind of like those scary dreams when you were a kid, walking down the hallway, but try as hard as you might, you can't actually get anywhere other than where you are stuck. The PC technology industry seems to be the same way.
VirtualLarry
No Lifer
No, that I am crazy, and I happen to agree with your points. Hehe. Welcome.. to the asylum of SCSI. 😛
Takes me back to the 486 days.... I went overboard and bought a new-off-the-production-lines Soundblaster 16 SCSI2 w/ ASP and a 2x SCSI CD-ROM. Cost way more than their IDE brethren, but I must admit it was one of the best optical drives I've ever run!
I miss those days where there was NO pause for CD-ROM spinups in the middle of a game. But that disappeared with the 4x IDE CD-ROMs... now we get to wait while things pause to spin up... and sound like jet engines. I'll take a lower top speed with faster response time ANY day!
Though I am going to need a fast CPU for my music app.
Thanks for the reminder.... must seriously consider a SCSI HDD with my new system... even if only 20-40GB for the main Windows drive and use a cheap IDE for storage on the side.
You don't see mobos with built-in SCSI anymore. 😉
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