Any good RPGs for the PC?

[Fenixgoon]

i'm currently playing TQ, and while it's good, diablo2 is quite the superior game.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
i'm currently playing TQ, and while it's good, diablo2 is quite the superior game.

Single-player? In what ways?

I've only played Diablo -1- and Dungeon Siege but I've been thinking of picking up TQ Gold for some mindless hack-n-slash.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
i'm currently playing TQ, and while it's good, diablo2 is quite the superior game.

Single-player? In what ways?

I've only played Diablo -1- and Dungeon Siege but I've been thinking of picking up TQ Gold for some mindless hack-n-slash.

TQ has nice graphics, but the hack-n-slash gameplay simply isn't as satisfying as it is in diablo. also, in the first act there is very little in the way of music, so i just play mp3's in the background instead. i guess i should see what the music is like in the current act.

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: pwnagesarus
Bioshock is a blast although its very short and lots of the sidequests are meh.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Titan Quest + Immortal Throne expansion

It's very similar to Diablo II in its game-play style, view angle, experience system, skills system, and more, but is of course also unique in many other areas. It's such an underrated game (sadly I hadn't known much about that game until after Iron Lore, the developers, closed their doors).

It emulates D2 in so many ways yet after awhile you realize it just can't keep you hooked like D2 does. =/ That's how my experiences with TQ have been.

It cant keep you hooked because Diablo 2 already wore everyone out.
Its a superior game in every way but since we're all so tired of it now, Titan Quest just didnt feel that special.

Which is ironic (almost) because when Diablo 3 comes out everyone will shit themselves and say its the best game ever.

TQ is not superior to D2 in every way. Diablo 2 is vastly superior despite being much older. The main advantage TQ has going for it is the higher resolution and better graphics. I've put more hours into diablo 2 after beating TQ than I have into TQ altogether. It's not even a close match, and I mean D2 is far from perfect and I'm bored of it after likely thousands of hours of play, but your comment that TQ is better was just so dead wrong that I had to comment.

Edit: Oh, and yes, Diablo 3 will be the best game ever. I'll probably shit myself during the next class update, long before the games release.

You would lose a case if you were a lawyer.
You're entire basis........

You know what? Forget it. If I engage is this debate I'll probably lose IQ points. I dont even need to bother. The words you used only helped to support my case, I dont even need to make an argument right now.

YOUR YOUR YOUR!!!

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: pwnagesarus
Bioshock is a blast although its very short and lots of the sidequests are meh.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Titan Quest + Immortal Throne expansion

It's very similar to Diablo II in its game-play style, view angle, experience system, skills system, and more, but is of course also unique in many other areas. It's such an underrated game (sadly I hadn't known much about that game until after Iron Lore, the developers, closed their doors).

It emulates D2 in so many ways yet after awhile you realize it just can't keep you hooked like D2 does. =/ That's how my experiences with TQ have been.

It cant keep you hooked because Diablo 2 already wore everyone out.
Its a superior game in every way but since we're all so tired of it now, Titan Quest just didnt feel that special.

Which is ironic (almost) because when Diablo 3 comes out everyone will shit themselves and say its the best game ever.

TQ is not superior to D2 in every way. Diablo 2 is vastly superior despite being much older. The main advantage TQ has going for it is the higher resolution and better graphics. I've put more hours into diablo 2 after beating TQ than I have into TQ altogether. It's not even a close match, and I mean D2 is far from perfect and I'm bored of it after likely thousands of hours of play, but your comment that TQ is better was just so dead wrong that I had to comment.

Edit: Oh, and yes, Diablo 3 will be the best game ever. I'll probably shit myself during the next class update, long before the games release.

You would lose a case if you were a lawyer.
You're entire basis........

You know what? Forget it. If I engage is this debate I'll probably lose IQ points. I dont even need to bother. The words you used only helped to support my case, I dont even need to make an argument right now.

Yea forget it indeed. If someone came up to you and argued that captain black cigars are better than cohibas, or that LCDs have better black levels than plasma, would you argue at length that they are wrong? Judging from the piety of your post, I highly doubt it. There's no need to argue that which is already known fact, and I believe that most of the gaming society realizes and believes that Diablo 2 is on a completely different level of quality than Titan Quest. I simply noted the error, corrected it, but didn't bother trying to argue it.

If someone tries to argue the other side, I will enjoy meeting their arguments with common sense and the truth - D2 is far superior to TQ, as I mentioned above. Btw, I'm not a lawyer, but I am a gamer, and I know when I'm right and when one game is much better than another similar game it tends to be pretty obvious.

I hope I didn't kill any of your brain cells, sir. Surely you need the ones you have left.

I for one put a lot more time into TQ than D2.

D2 was great for ti's time, but nowadays, it's very basic. It has great solid gameplay, but TQ is just so much "newer" with newer gameplay mechanics while still keeping to the Diablo2 type theme.

For one TQ lets you chose the gender AND class of your character, as well as letting you dual-class for more strategy, synergies and different gameplay experiences.

It's like starcraft, great hen you get the old school itch, but so many games hav pushed and expanded the genre since then.

 

[Borealis7]

Might & Magic VI, VII. two of my favorite games of all time. (if you dont mind going semi-old-school )
Dungeon Siege 2 was fun as a party based Hack'n'Slasher.
another vote for Kings Bounty, amazing game.
and tons of TBSs: Heroes of Might & Magic series, Age of Wonders 2, Fantasy Wars (really hard though).

i'm currently playing the old Disciples 2 (in anticipation of the 3rd installment) and i'm not sure how much i love it. its nice and all but the gameplay is completely different to anything i've played before.

 

[TidusZ]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: pwnagesarus
Bioshock is a blast although its very short and lots of the sidequests are meh.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Titan Quest + Immortal Throne expansion

It's very similar to Diablo II in its game-play style, view angle, experience system, skills system, and more, but is of course also unique in many other areas. It's such an underrated game (sadly I hadn't known much about that game until after Iron Lore, the developers, closed their doors).

It emulates D2 in so many ways yet after awhile you realize it just can't keep you hooked like D2 does. =/ That's how my experiences with TQ have been.

It cant keep you hooked because Diablo 2 already wore everyone out.
Its a superior game in every way but since we're all so tired of it now, Titan Quest just didnt feel that special.

Which is ironic (almost) because when Diablo 3 comes out everyone will shit themselves and say its the best game ever.

TQ is not superior to D2 in every way. Diablo 2 is vastly superior despite being much older. The main advantage TQ has going for it is the higher resolution and better graphics. I've put more hours into diablo 2 after beating TQ than I have into TQ altogether. It's not even a close match, and I mean D2 is far from perfect and I'm bored of it after likely thousands of hours of play, but your comment that TQ is better was just so dead wrong that I had to comment.

Edit: Oh, and yes, Diablo 3 will be the best game ever. I'll probably shit myself during the next class update, long before the games release.

You would lose a case if you were a lawyer.
You're entire basis........

You know what? Forget it. If I engage is this debate I'll probably lose IQ points. I dont even need to bother. The words you used only helped to support my case, I dont even need to make an argument right now.

Yea forget it indeed. If someone came up to you and argued that captain black cigars are better than cohibas, or that LCDs have better black levels than plasma, would you argue at length that they are wrong? Judging from the piety of your post, I highly doubt it. There's no need to argue that which is already known fact, and I believe that most of the gaming society realizes and believes that Diablo 2 is on a completely different level of quality than Titan Quest. I simply noted the error, corrected it, but didn't bother trying to argue it.

If someone tries to argue the other side, I will enjoy meeting their arguments with common sense and the truth - D2 is far superior to TQ, as I mentioned above. Btw, I'm not a lawyer, but I am a gamer, and I know when I'm right and when one game is much better than another similar game it tends to be pretty obvious.

I hope I didn't kill any of your brain cells, sir. Surely you need the ones you have left.

I for one put a lot more time into TQ than D2.

D2 was great for ti's time, but nowadays, it's very basic. It has great solid gameplay, but TQ is just so much "newer" with newer gameplay mechanics while still keeping to the Diablo2 type theme.

For one TQ lets you chose the gender AND class of your character, as well as letting you dual-class for more strategy, synergies and different gameplay experiences.

It's like starcraft, great hen you get the old school itch, but so many games hav pushed and expanded the genre since then.

Even IGN agrees with me on this one, and I rarely ever agree with IGN, http://pc.ign.com/articles/714/714552p2.html

Sure, TQ is newer, with better graphics, and certainly many more classes (or at least class names, there's not that many actual skill trees). One of your examples is synergies, something which has been a part of Diablo 2 for a long time in each skill tree. I think its safe to say there are more people currently playing D2 than TQ - bnet is still pretty active, and I was actively playing it at the peak of the hardcore ladder as recently as last summer. I think if you released Diablo 2 and Titan Quest on the same day in 1999 (and adjusted system requirements to match) not many people would have played titan quest, even fewer than do now. I think Titan quest got done a favor by being released in a drought of solid action rpg's.

TQ gameplay was repetitive, extremely repetitive. Long acts of simplistic combat. I was an oracle, my brother an assassin, and no matter whether it was another mob (regardless of type) or a boss our strategy remained the same -> I cast ternion repeatedly, he charges in with ward down and melees, my lich zaps zaps, again, and again, and again. Every action rpg has its share of repetition, but TQ really outdid the others in that way. By the 3rd act my brother refused to continue playing but I kept finding ways to get him to play, to do item runs on bosses, and to beat it on normal. Eventually we did (with expansion), but I heard a lot of bitching out of him about how bad the game was, and I agreed with a lot of it but I just really wanted to beat it. I joked, "lets beat it on epic now?" And he left the room carrying his laptop with him. The joke's on him though, I would never have been up for that.

Newer isn't always better.

 

[you2]

I really don't see how diablo II is better than tq + expansion. They are both kill kill kill. At least TQ has more interesting classes.

 

[alcoholbob]

Originally posted by: chronodekar

Originally posted by: Astrallite
Seems more like most of the games are BETTER than Bethesda games, asking "any good RPGs for the PC" is poor choice of words...

I had to chime in after this. I suppose it depends on what you're looking for in an RPG, but I'm the kind of player who likes Bethesda products.

I'll never say that Diablo 2 is a bad game. I only finished the first chapter, beyond which I stopped playing. (Felt it to be a mindless killing exercise) But, in interests of full disclosure, I started playing it late, sometime after 2004 I think. And by then, I was spoiled by the graphics of other titles.

Of note, to you guys, I'm reading the review of Fable on IGN right now, and it seems interesting. Is the story any good in that game?

HHmmm... in addition to that, perhaps I should mention that I found Deus Ex an entertaining play? (forget the sequel, it doesn't hold a candle to the original.)

Sorry I meant RPGs. Diablo 2 doesn't particularly count, unless you figure you are roleplaying a fearless psychopathic killer.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Originally posted by: you2
I really don't see how diablo II is better than tq + expansion. They are both kill kill kill. At least TQ has more interesting classes.

Diablo II to me was more about dueling than anything else, not many online RPGs I've played could match that experience. I take it TQ is better in the leveling/questing aspect?

 

[cheesehead]

If you want good RPGs, you need to go old-school.

Fallout 1 & 2
Baldur's Gate 2
Arcanumf Steamworks and Magic
VtM: Bloodlines

And if you want something a little different, try Escape Velocity: Nova from Ambrosia Software. It's shareware.

 

[chronodekar]

Originally posted by: Cheesehead
If you want good RPGs, you need to go old-school.

Fallout 1 & 2
Baldur's Gate 2
Arcanum: of Steamworks and Magic
VtM: Bloodlines

And if you want something a little different, try Escape Velocity: Nova from Ambrosia Software. It's shareware.

WOAH!!! That game saw the light of day?!? It must have slipped by me. I remember reading in an old issue of CGW about it, but never heard about it since. I thought it was abandoned.

I'll have to look into this sometime. Thanks for the heads up !

 

[thecoolnessrune]

To be honest now I just play Runescape since I dont have to care about getting through the game. Just enjoy it for what it is.

 

[TidusZ]

Originally posted by: krnmastersgt

Originally posted by: you2
I really don't see how diablo II is better than tq + expansion. They are both kill kill kill. At least TQ has more interesting classes.

Diablo II to me was more about dueling than anything else, not many online RPGs I've played could match that experience. I take it TQ is better in the leveling/questing aspect?

Yeah, making gfg duelers in d2hc was a lot of fun and quite a rush. I once dueled the "top" zon dueler who was level 78'ish with my 97 zon, we were trading shot for shot at long range with guided arrow and each shot was doing 30-50% of our life - we were allowing potion use. Heartrate was definitely flying the whole time, he ended up quitting so I imagine he took a few arrows after this valkyrie went down. Not the win I was looking for.

My buddy used to make level 9 asn duelers and rip apart all the low level (12) pally duelers. He also loved his throw barb duelers. Just weird builds nobody had heard of that tore apart the competition. He was more into dueling than me, and him and a friend had collected literally hundreds of ears with their level 9 assassin, mules full of ears. When a 12 pally hostiles in sewers you quit but when a 9 asn hostiles you shittalk them and keep playing. Then you get one shotted.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I've been playin and enjoying Gothic 3 lately. The game is huge, there must be well over 100 hours gaming in there. With the community patch most of the bugs have been fixed and I find it very playable. Very similar to Oblivion.

 

[Via]

I just started my latest attempt to finish Gohtic 3 and everything really is much better (not to mention no CD check as of patch 1.6).

They seem to have limited most of the stuttering to the first few minutes of gameplay. It's pretty smooth after that.

And if you can max out the details it really is a great looking game.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: pwnagesarus
Bioshock is a blast although its very short and lots of the sidequests are meh.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Titan Quest + Immortal Throne expansion

It's very similar to Diablo II in its game-play style, view angle, experience system, skills system, and more, but is of course also unique in many other areas. It's such an underrated game (sadly I hadn't known much about that game until after Iron Lore, the developers, closed their doors).

It emulates D2 in so many ways yet after awhile you realize it just can't keep you hooked like D2 does. =/ That's how my experiences with TQ have been.

It cant keep you hooked because Diablo 2 already wore everyone out.
Its a superior game in every way but since we're all so tired of it now, Titan Quest just didnt feel that special.

Which is ironic (almost) because when Diablo 3 comes out everyone will shit themselves and say its the best game ever.

TQ is not superior to D2 in every way. Diablo 2 is vastly superior despite being much older. The main advantage TQ has going for it is the higher resolution and better graphics. I've put more hours into diablo 2 after beating TQ than I have into TQ altogether. It's not even a close match, and I mean D2 is far from perfect and I'm bored of it after likely thousands of hours of play, but your comment that TQ is better was just so dead wrong that I had to comment.

Edit: Oh, and yes, Diablo 3 will be the best game ever. I'll probably shit myself during the next class update, long before the games release.

You would lose a case if you were a lawyer.
You're entire basis........

You know what? Forget it. If I engage is this debate I'll probably lose IQ points. I dont even need to bother. The words you used only helped to support my case, I dont even need to make an argument right now.

Yea forget it indeed. If someone came up to you and argued that captain black cigars are better than cohibas, or that LCDs have better black levels than plasma, would you argue at length that they are wrong? Judging from the piety of your post, I highly doubt it. There's no need to argue that which is already known fact, and I believe that most of the gaming society realizes and believes that Diablo 2 is on a completely different level of quality than Titan Quest. I simply noted the error, corrected it, but didn't bother trying to argue it.

If someone tries to argue the other side, I will enjoy meeting their arguments with common sense and the truth - D2 is far superior to TQ, as I mentioned above. Btw, I'm not a lawyer, but I am a gamer, and I know when I'm right and when one game is much better than another similar game it tends to be pretty obvious.

I hope I didn't kill any of your brain cells, sir. Surely you need the ones you have left.

I for one put a lot more time into TQ than D2.

D2 was great for ti's time, but nowadays, it's very basic. It has great solid gameplay, but TQ is just so much "newer" with newer gameplay mechanics while still keeping to the Diablo2 type theme.

For one TQ lets you chose the gender AND class of your character, as well as letting you dual-class for more strategy, synergies and different gameplay experiences.

It's like starcraft, great hen you get the old school itch, but so many games hav pushed and expanded the genre since then.

Even IGN agrees with me on this one, and I rarely ever agree with IGN, http://pc.ign.com/articles/714/714552p2.html

Sure, TQ is newer, with better graphics, and certainly many more classes (or at least class names, there's not that many actual skill trees). One of your examples is synergies, something which has been a part of Diablo 2 for a long time in each skill tree. I think its safe to say there are more people currently playing D2 than TQ - bnet is still pretty active, and I was actively playing it at the peak of the hardcore ladder as recently as last summer. I think if you released Diablo 2 and Titan Quest on the same day in 1999 (and adjusted system requirements to match) not many people would have played titan quest, even fewer than do now. I think Titan quest got done a favor by being released in a drought of solid action rpg's.

TQ gameplay was repetitive, extremely repetitive. Long acts of simplistic combat. I was an oracle, my brother an assassin, and no matter whether it was another mob (regardless of type) or a boss our strategy remained the same -> I cast ternion repeatedly, he charges in with ward down and melees, my lich zaps zaps, again, and again, and again. Every action rpg has its share of repetition, but TQ really outdid the others in that way. By the 3rd act my brother refused to continue playing but I kept finding ways to get him to play, to do item runs on bosses, and to beat it on normal. Eventually we did (with expansion), but I heard a lot of bitching out of him about how bad the game was, and I agreed with a lot of it but I just really wanted to beat it. I joked, "lets beat it on epic now?" And he left the room carrying his laptop with him. The joke's on him though, I would never have been up for that.

Newer isn't always better.

Yes, it's a mouse click to attack RPG.
Point in case: Diablo 2.
Click to attack
spam some abilities spells,
repeat.

Your complaints about TQ are really just complaints about the genre. I have no idea what game you're talking about, but what you think is D2 is definitely not D2. Both are action click RPGS. You attack spam, spell spam and pick up loot and repeat. Hell if you ever played any barbarian from a frenzy to whirlwind barb in D2, all there was to do was click, that's how I beat Diablo, Baal, Andariel, Mephisto, etc.

Also, of course more people are playing D2 than TQ, Iron Lore shuttered their doors, of course online support is going to suffer.

As for synergies, i suggest you actually play D2 and TQ again. I came in late to the D2 party and played it first and immediately afterwards, TQ(as in i had D2, played it for a while, installed TQ, played it for a while and somwtimes went back to D2 to play some multiplayer)

Diablo2 is all about synergies but the classes are far more restricted. TQ has dozens of classes and with dualclassing, there are much more combos and synergies you can do to fit any playstyle.

D2 is good, but 9 years in, it hss been surpassed. TQ does everything D2 does and polishes it even further.

As for your argument, take T2 back to 2000 tech, that's an entirely moot and illogical argument. If it takes imagining a hypothetical that doesn't exist, and that would fundamentally change the nature of the argument, to support your point, you're doing it wrong.

TQ was easily as good as D2, some odd nitpickiny things like inventory sorting were there but I enjoyed it as much as D2. TQ:IT improved onto TQ and made it surpass D2:LOD. Every little nitpicky problem was fixed and not only was it much more varied than D2, it was more fun and the setting less generic.

Things TQ does better than D2
-Classes. Being able to choose class and gender, and then another subclass.With D2 you had to fit within ridid classes, in TQ, you could play any way you want.
-Inventory management, just the entire inventory management thing
-Story, i actually like the TQ story
-Bosses, with the better technology, the bossfights jsut felt more epic

 

[TidusZ]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: pwnagesarus
Bioshock is a blast although its very short and lots of the sidequests are meh.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Titan Quest + Immortal Throne expansion

It's very similar to Diablo II in its game-play style, view angle, experience system, skills system, and more, but is of course also unique in many other areas. It's such an underrated game (sadly I hadn't known much about that game until after Iron Lore, the developers, closed their doors).

It emulates D2 in so many ways yet after awhile you realize it just can't keep you hooked like D2 does. =/ That's how my experiences with TQ have been.

It cant keep you hooked because Diablo 2 already wore everyone out.
Its a superior game in every way but since we're all so tired of it now, Titan Quest just didnt feel that special.

Which is ironic (almost) because when Diablo 3 comes out everyone will shit themselves and say its the best game ever.

TQ is not superior to D2 in every way. Diablo 2 is vastly superior despite being much older. The main advantage TQ has going for it is the higher resolution and better graphics. I've put more hours into diablo 2 after beating TQ than I have into TQ altogether. It's not even a close match, and I mean D2 is far from perfect and I'm bored of it after likely thousands of hours of play, but your comment that TQ is better was just so dead wrong that I had to comment.

Edit: Oh, and yes, Diablo 3 will be the best game ever. I'll probably shit myself during the next class update, long before the games release.

You would lose a case if you were a lawyer.
You're entire basis........

You know what? Forget it. If I engage is this debate I'll probably lose IQ points. I dont even need to bother. The words you used only helped to support my case, I dont even need to make an argument right now.

Yea forget it indeed. If someone came up to you and argued that captain black cigars are better than cohibas, or that LCDs have better black levels than plasma, would you argue at length that they are wrong? Judging from the piety of your post, I highly doubt it. There's no need to argue that which is already known fact, and I believe that most of the gaming society realizes and believes that Diablo 2 is on a completely different level of quality than Titan Quest. I simply noted the error, corrected it, but didn't bother trying to argue it.

If someone tries to argue the other side, I will enjoy meeting their arguments with common sense and the truth - D2 is far superior to TQ, as I mentioned above. Btw, I'm not a lawyer, but I am a gamer, and I know when I'm right and when one game is much better than another similar game it tends to be pretty obvious.

I hope I didn't kill any of your brain cells, sir. Surely you need the ones you have left.

I for one put a lot more time into TQ than D2.

D2 was great for ti's time, but nowadays, it's very basic. It has great solid gameplay, but TQ is just so much "newer" with newer gameplay mechanics while still keeping to the Diablo2 type theme.

For one TQ lets you chose the gender AND class of your character, as well as letting you dual-class for more strategy, synergies and different gameplay experiences.

It's like starcraft, great hen you get the old school itch, but so many games hav pushed and expanded the genre since then.

Even IGN agrees with me on this one, and I rarely ever agree with IGN, http://pc.ign.com/articles/714/714552p2.html

Sure, TQ is newer, with better graphics, and certainly many more classes (or at least class names, there's not that many actual skill trees). One of your examples is synergies, something which has been a part of Diablo 2 for a long time in each skill tree. I think its safe to say there are more people currently playing D2 than TQ - bnet is still pretty active, and I was actively playing it at the peak of the hardcore ladder as recently as last summer. I think if you released Diablo 2 and Titan Quest on the same day in 1999 (and adjusted system requirements to match) not many people would have played titan quest, even fewer than do now. I think Titan quest got done a favor by being released in a drought of solid action rpg's.

TQ gameplay was repetitive, extremely repetitive. Long acts of simplistic combat. I was an oracle, my brother an assassin, and no matter whether it was another mob (regardless of type) or a boss our strategy remained the same -> I cast ternion repeatedly, he charges in with ward down and melees, my lich zaps zaps, again, and again, and again. Every action rpg has its share of repetition, but TQ really outdid the others in that way. By the 3rd act my brother refused to continue playing but I kept finding ways to get him to play, to do item runs on bosses, and to beat it on normal. Eventually we did (with expansion), but I heard a lot of bitching out of him about how bad the game was, and I agreed with a lot of it but I just really wanted to beat it. I joked, "lets beat it on epic now?" And he left the room carrying his laptop with him. The joke's on him though, I would never have been up for that.

Newer isn't always better.

Yes, it's a mouse click to attack RPG.
Point in case: Diablo 2.
Click to attack
spam some abilities spells,
repeat.

Your complaints about TQ are really just complaints about the genre. I have no idea what game you're talking about, but what you think is D2 is definitely not D2. Both are action click RPGS. You attack spam, spell spam and pick up loot and repeat. Hell if you ever played any barbarian from a frenzy to whirlwind barb in D2, all there was to do was click, that's how I beat Diablo, Baal, Andariel, Mephisto, etc.

Also, of course more people are playing D2 than TQ, Iron Lore shuttered their doors, of course online support is going to suffer.

As for synergies, i suggest you actually play D2 and TQ again. I came in late to the D2 party and played it first and immediately afterwards, TQ(as in i had D2, played it for a while, installed TQ, played it for a while and somwtimes went back to D2 to play some multiplayer)

Diablo2 is all about synergies but the classes are far more restricted. TQ has dozens of classes and with dualclassing, there are much more combos and synergies you can do to fit any playstyle.

D2 is good, but 9 years in, it hss been surpassed. TQ does everything D2 does and polishes it even further.

As for your argument, take T2 back to 2000 tech, that's an entirely moot and illogical argument. If it takes imagining a hypothetical that doesn't exist, and that would fundamentally change the nature of the argument, to support your point, you're doing it wrong.

TQ was easily as good as D2, some odd nitpickiny things like inventory sorting were there but I enjoyed it as much as D2. TQ:IT improved onto TQ and made it surpass D2:LOD. Every little nitpicky problem was fixed and not only was it much more varied than D2, it was more fun and the setting less generic.

Things TQ does better than D2
-Classes. Being able to choose class and gender, and then another subclass.With D2 you had to fit within ridid classes, in TQ, you could play any way you want.
-Inventory management, just the entire inventory management thing
-Story, i actually like the TQ story
-Bosses, with the better technology, the bossfights jsut felt more epic

http://pc.ign.com/articles/938/938688p1.html (first paragraph)

Here's another example of a major gaming site reviewer stating that Diablo 2 is superior to TQ without giving any room for doubt. There are hundreds of thousands of people who disagree with you. I can't prove to you by numbers or charts that D2 > TQ, but I can say that I know that it is, and so do many others. I wont try to convince you otherwise, because it probably isn't possible.

 

[chronodekar]

To the folks above, don't you think it's a bit too much 'Quoting' you're doing. It borders on the ridiculous !! :roll:

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: Koudelka
I think i'm the only person that absolutely hated The Witcher.. such horrible gameply. And i didnt like watching the same attack animation over and over and over and over.

Repeating animations apply to pretty much any RPG's out there during attacks mostly, and also to all other games out there. If developers had to create a unique swing and bash and other animations for every single mouse clicks I don't think the original Diablo would have been released even by now.

There's games where you can see a few dozen different animations and the character plays them randomly, that's "better" than seeing the exact same one without pause, that's for sure, but in the end you get used to all of them and they become part of the game-play without the player (usually) worrying much about animations variety.

Die By The Sword is pretty damn old, I think 97? maybe a bit newer. But it had mouse controlled combat where you could swing basically any way you wanted. Hard to explain but it was pretty good actually, even if the actual animation was predefined the fact I could swing at any angle was win for the time. And it hasn't seem to been duplicated since which is odd.

that was a great game.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: pwnagesarus
Bioshock is a blast although its very short and lots of the sidequests are meh.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Titan Quest + Immortal Throne expansion

It's very similar to Diablo II in its game-play style, view angle, experience system, skills system, and more, but is of course also unique in many other areas. It's such an underrated game (sadly I hadn't known much about that game until after Iron Lore, the developers, closed their doors).

It emulates D2 in so many ways yet after awhile you realize it just can't keep you hooked like D2 does. =/ That's how my experiences with TQ have been.

It cant keep you hooked because Diablo 2 already wore everyone out.
Its a superior game in every way but since we're all so tired of it now, Titan Quest just didnt feel that special.

Which is ironic (almost) because when Diablo 3 comes out everyone will shit themselves and say its the best game ever.

TQ is not superior to D2 in every way. Diablo 2 is vastly superior despite being much older. The main advantage TQ has going for it is the higher resolution and better graphics. I've put more hours into diablo 2 after beating TQ than I have into TQ altogether. It's not even a close match, and I mean D2 is far from perfect and I'm bored of it after likely thousands of hours of play, but your comment that TQ is better was just so dead wrong that I had to comment.

Edit: Oh, and yes, Diablo 3 will be the best game ever. I'll probably shit myself during the next class update, long before the games release.

You would lose a case if you were a lawyer.
You're entire basis........

You know what? Forget it. If I engage is this debate I'll probably lose IQ points. I dont even need to bother. The words you used only helped to support my case, I dont even need to make an argument right now.

Yea forget it indeed. If someone came up to you and argued that captain black cigars are better than cohibas, or that LCDs have better black levels than plasma, would you argue at length that they are wrong? Judging from the piety of your post, I highly doubt it. There's no need to argue that which is already known fact, and I believe that most of the gaming society realizes and believes that Diablo 2 is on a completely different level of quality than Titan Quest. I simply noted the error, corrected it, but didn't bother trying to argue it.

If someone tries to argue the other side, I will enjoy meeting their arguments with common sense and the truth - D2 is far superior to TQ, as I mentioned above. Btw, I'm not a lawyer, but I am a gamer, and I know when I'm right and when one game is much better than another similar game it tends to be pretty obvious.

I hope I didn't kill any of your brain cells, sir. Surely you need the ones you have left.

I for one put a lot more time into TQ than D2.

D2 was great for ti's time, but nowadays, it's very basic. It has great solid gameplay, but TQ is just so much "newer" with newer gameplay mechanics while still keeping to the Diablo2 type theme.

For one TQ lets you chose the gender AND class of your character, as well as letting you dual-class for more strategy, synergies and different gameplay experiences.

It's like starcraft, great hen you get the old school itch, but so many games hav pushed and expanded the genre since then.

Even IGN agrees with me on this one, and I rarely ever agree with IGN, http://pc.ign.com/articles/714/714552p2.html

Sure, TQ is newer, with better graphics, and certainly many more classes (or at least class names, there's not that many actual skill trees). One of your examples is synergies, something which has been a part of Diablo 2 for a long time in each skill tree. I think its safe to say there are more people currently playing D2 than TQ - bnet is still pretty active, and I was actively playing it at the peak of the hardcore ladder as recently as last summer. I think if you released Diablo 2 and Titan Quest on the same day in 1999 (and adjusted system requirements to match) not many people would have played titan quest, even fewer than do now. I think Titan quest got done a favor by being released in a drought of solid action rpg's.

TQ gameplay was repetitive, extremely repetitive. Long acts of simplistic combat. I was an oracle, my brother an assassin, and no matter whether it was another mob (regardless of type) or a boss our strategy remained the same -> I cast ternion repeatedly, he charges in with ward down and melees, my lich zaps zaps, again, and again, and again. Every action rpg has its share of repetition, but TQ really outdid the others in that way. By the 3rd act my brother refused to continue playing but I kept finding ways to get him to play, to do item runs on bosses, and to beat it on normal. Eventually we did (with expansion), but I heard a lot of bitching out of him about how bad the game was, and I agreed with a lot of it but I just really wanted to beat it. I joked, "lets beat it on epic now?" And he left the room carrying his laptop with him. The joke's on him though, I would never have been up for that.

Newer isn't always better.

Yes, it's a mouse click to attack RPG.
Point in case: Diablo 2.
Click to attack
spam some abilities spells,
repeat.

Your complaints about TQ are really just complaints about the genre. I have no idea what game you're talking about, but what you think is D2 is definitely not D2. Both are action click RPGS. You attack spam, spell spam and pick up loot and repeat. Hell if you ever played any barbarian from a frenzy to whirlwind barb in D2, all there was to do was click, that's how I beat Diablo, Baal, Andariel, Mephisto, etc.

Also, of course more people are playing D2 than TQ, Iron Lore shuttered their doors, of course online support is going to suffer.

As for synergies, i suggest you actually play D2 and TQ again. I came in late to the D2 party and played it first and immediately afterwards, TQ(as in i had D2, played it for a while, installed TQ, played it for a while and somwtimes went back to D2 to play some multiplayer)

Diablo2 is all about synergies but the classes are far more restricted. TQ has dozens of classes and with dualclassing, there are much more combos and synergies you can do to fit any playstyle.

D2 is good, but 9 years in, it hss been surpassed. TQ does everything D2 does and polishes it even further.

As for your argument, take T2 back to 2000 tech, that's an entirely moot and illogical argument. If it takes imagining a hypothetical that doesn't exist, and that would fundamentally change the nature of the argument, to support your point, you're doing it wrong.

TQ was easily as good as D2, some odd nitpickiny things like inventory sorting were there but I enjoyed it as much as D2. TQ:IT improved onto TQ and made it surpass D2:LOD. Every little nitpicky problem was fixed and not only was it much more varied than D2, it was more fun and the setting less generic.

Things TQ does better than D2
-Classes. Being able to choose class and gender, and then another subclass.With D2 you had to fit within ridid classes, in TQ, you could play any way you want.
-Inventory management, just the entire inventory management thing
-Story, i actually like the TQ story
-Bosses, with the better technology, the bossfights jsut felt more epic

http://pc.ign.com/articles/938/938688p1.html (first paragraph)

Here's another example of a major gaming site reviewer stating that Diablo 2 is superior to TQ without giving any room for doubt. There are hundreds of thousands of people who disagree with you. I can't prove to you by numbers or charts that D2 > TQ, but I can say that I know that it is, and so do many others. I wont try to convince you otherwise, because it probably isn't possible.

IGN is NEVER right, for the simple fact you have the same opinion as them on D2 vs TQ, I'ma have to go with mwmorph on this one, sorry

I played both and both were boring as hell to me. I don't like games where I can't control the combat directly, pointing and clicking is dull and care too simplistic. See my Die By The Sword post to see what I mean about proper combat. If D3 is another click and slash I'll be avoiding it like the plague.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: TidusZ

Originally posted by: Mwmorph

Originally posted by: TidusZ
Even IGN agrees with me on this one, and I rarely ever agree with IGN, http://pc.ign.com/articles/714/714552p2.html

Sure, TQ is newer, with better graphics, and certainly many more classes (or at least class names, there's not that many actual skill trees). One of your examples is synergies, something which has been a part of Diablo 2 for a long time in each skill tree. I think its safe to say there are more people currently playing D2 than TQ - bnet is still pretty active, and I was actively playing it at the peak of the hardcore ladder as recently as last summer. I think if you released Diablo 2 and Titan Quest on the same day in 1999 (and adjusted system requirements to match) not many people would have played titan quest, even fewer than do now. I think Titan quest got done a favor by being released in a drought of solid action rpg's.

TQ gameplay was repetitive, extremely repetitive. Long acts of simplistic combat. I was an oracle, my brother an assassin, and no matter whether it was another mob (regardless of type) or a boss our strategy remained the same -> I cast ternion repeatedly, he charges in with ward down and melees, my lich zaps zaps, again, and again, and again. Every action rpg has its share of repetition, but TQ really outdid the others in that way. By the 3rd act my brother refused to continue playing but I kept finding ways to get him to play, to do item runs on bosses, and to beat it on normal. Eventually we did (with expansion), but I heard a lot of bitching out of him about how bad the game was, and I agreed with a lot of it but I just really wanted to beat it. I joked, "lets beat it on epic now?" And he left the room carrying his laptop with him. The joke's on him though, I would never have been up for that.

Newer isn't always better.

Yes, it's a mouse click to attack RPG.
Point in case: Diablo 2.
Click to attack
spam some abilities spells,
repeat.

Your complaints about TQ are really just complaints about the genre. I have no idea what game you're talking about, but what you think is D2 is definitely not D2. Both are action click RPGS. You attack spam, spell spam and pick up loot and repeat. Hell if you ever played any barbarian from a frenzy to whirlwind barb in D2, all there was to do was click, that's how I beat Diablo, Baal, Andariel, Mephisto, etc.

Also, of course more people are playing D2 than TQ, Iron Lore shuttered their doors, of course online support is going to suffer.

As for synergies, i suggest you actually play D2 and TQ again. I came in late to the D2 party and played it first and immediately afterwards, TQ(as in i had D2, played it for a while, installed TQ, played it for a while and somwtimes went back to D2 to play some multiplayer)

Diablo2 is all about synergies but the classes are far more restricted. TQ has dozens of classes and with dualclassing, there are much more combos and synergies you can do to fit any playstyle.

D2 is good, but 9 years in, it hss been surpassed. TQ does everything D2 does and polishes it even further.

As for your argument, take T2 back to 2000 tech, that's an entirely moot and illogical argument. If it takes imagining a hypothetical that doesn't exist, and that would fundamentally change the nature of the argument, to support your point, you're doing it wrong.

TQ was easily as good as D2, some odd nitpickiny things like inventory sorting were there but I enjoyed it as much as D2. TQ:IT improved onto TQ and made it surpass D2:LOD. Every little nitpicky problem was fixed and not only was it much more varied than D2, it was more fun and the setting less generic.

Things TQ does better than D2
-Classes. Being able to choose class and gender, and then another subclass.With D2 you had to fit within ridid classes, in TQ, you could play any way you want.
-Inventory management, just the entire inventory management thing
-Story, i actually like the TQ story
-Bosses, with the better technology, the bossfights jsut felt more epic

http://pc.ign.com/articles/938/938688p1.html (first paragraph)

Here's another example of a major gaming site reviewer stating that Diablo 2 is superior to TQ without giving any room for doubt. There are hundreds of thousands of people who disagree with you. I can't prove to you by numbers or charts that D2 > TQ, but I can say that I know that it is, and so do many others. I wont try to convince you otherwise, because it probably isn't possible.

Stop quoting the same reviewer like it's some holy grail, what makes one website's opinion any better or worse than another?

10 seconds on Metacritic:

If you love RPGs, then this title is a must have for any PC gamer. With the right hardware, it offers better graphics than any game in its genre to date, with a really nice set of monsters that will sometimes scare you right off your mouse.

http://www.gamingillustrated.c...iew_id=114&subcat_id=7

An addictive, beautiful, well-designed game that is easily at the top of its genre.

An addictive, beautiful, well-designed game that is easily at the top of its genre.
http://www.gameshark.com/revie...Titan-Quest-Review.htm

Titan Quest is a godsend. It has been a while since we?ve played a quality action RPG, and Titan Quest fulfills our expectations perfectly. The game is deep, the combat is enjoyable, the game looks superb and there?s just so much to do. While the game borrows a few gameplay elements from Diablo II, Titan Quest does enough to feel fresh and offers enough variety to ensure that newcomers and fans of the genre will enjoy the experience.

http://palgn.com.au/article.ph...n+Quest+Review&id=4784

One of those rare games where the ratio of time spent to the cost of the game makes for some of the most efficient entertainment this side of "Oblivion" or "Civilization IV."

http://videogames.yahoo.com/pc...an-quest/review-466425

There is no such thing as a right or wrong opinion, there are things such as facts though,
Titan Quest is more flexible about how you play
Titan Quest looks better
Titan Quest has newer ideas like enemies dropping what they are visibly equipped with and auto-organizing the inventory.

 

[TidusZ]

I tried to organize a 4 play hamachi game of TQ recently with 2 friends and my brother. All 3 voted against it, and now we're playing bf 2142. I'm sure some people think TQ is better than D2, maybe even some who have played both extensively. I'm also sure there are people who like to have clothespins attached to their nipples. I'm with the majority on this one, despite what any number of thread resurrections might say.