Any doubts about Murtha?

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: maluckey
AutumnRayne

You started out great, I was thinking that a realist had entered the fray......and then you ended your post doing the exact same thing as another member whom you were berating!! Wow! That's impressive

When you become a slave to a party or an idea you become dense and boring. This doubly applies for politicians.

Then I guess you are you really are dense and boring.

 

[PELarson]

"It is total crap that we have to deal with an issue like this when we?ve got a war going on and we got all these other issues," Murtha said.

He is correct it is total crap that Congress HAS TO take the time to deal with the destruction by the Republican majority of ethics rules over the last 12 years. Instead of using that time to deal with more important, in the scheme of things, legislation and oversight. You know like funding the military, oversight of government, health care, etc... etc....

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne

Remember this is only the first week of fun for people on the right. Things will only become more hilarious as the democrats break promises over the next 2 years.

I cant wait to see how the left on this board takes the heat of constant questioning over democratic legislative decisions. If this first week is any indication, they dont have the will and will cut and run

Now that is a perfect example of what is wrong with our political system. You have people sitting by ready to cheer and celebrate when someone on the other team screws up. Nevermind what is actually good for our country. You'd rather watch our country fall into ruin, just so you can say your team sucks, mine is better. Why don't you start thinking about what is good for America and stop sitting on the sideline wishing for the other team to screw up.

As for broken promises, the democrats could break damn near every promise in the next two years and still not come close to touching the lies, broken promises and corrruption we saw from the Republicans.

I am a realist, I dont live in a fantasy world where "my" party is infallible. When a politician tells you one thing expect nothing from it, honestly.

As for the getting ready, yes I will, because it will be more than enjoyable watching the people on this msgboard who claimed some kind of moral authority try to defend the same crap from the dems as did from the repubs for the last 4-6 years.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

"John Murtha, the liberal anti-war poster child"

Well if you didn't mean to call Murtha a lib, it sure looked like it to me. What I would liked to have seen is a conservative from within the Rep party come out and do some questioning. Unfortunately the Reps effectively chased most of the Conservatives out. A great many conservatives were dismayed when the Constitution got redefined by Bush. Activist judges? Perhaps, but activist Presidents? Not in this context, thank you.

While this board is definitely Dem leaning, I'm not so sure nearly as many understand what Liberalism and Conservativism are and instead define it by what their particular party calls it. The stranglehold the two parties have over the country bothers me far more than any supposed threat that Iraq or Saddam was claimed to pose.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne

Remember this is only the first week of fun for people on the right. Things will only become more hilarious as the democrats break promises over the next 2 years.

I cant wait to see how the left on this board takes the heat of constant questioning over democratic legislative decisions. If this first week is any indication, they dont have the will and will cut and run

Now that is a perfect example of what is wrong with our political system. You have people sitting by ready to cheer and celebrate when someone on the other team screws up. Nevermind what is actually good for our country. You'd rather watch our country fall into ruin, just so you can say your team sucks, mine is better. Why don't you start thinking about what is good for America and stop sitting on the sideline wishing for the other team to screw up.

As for broken promises, the democrats could break damn near every promise in the next two years and still not come close to touching the lies, broken promises and corrruption we saw from the Republicans.

I am a realist, I dont live in a fantasy world where "my" party is infallible. When a politician tells you one thing expect nothing from it, honestly.

As for the getting ready, yes I will, because it will be more than enjoyable watching the people on this msgboard who claimed some kind of moral authority try to defend the same crap from the dems as did from the repubs for the last 4-6 years.

Calm down mother, it's going to be okay.

 

[umbrella39]

Another thread. Seems like I will be handing out a bunch of these for the next few years. LMAO, and they have not even taken power yet, this should be a riot when they actually take over. Good appetizer OP, can't wait for the main course.

 

[maluckey]

AutumnRayne

I sense your frustration...I too was expecting SOMETHING from the Republicans since they were in control of EVERYTHING. What we got was infighting (MCcain-Bush) and more of the same, just as when the Democrats were in charge. Now the Democrats claim to want to break the cycle, but I see by Murthas comments that this may not be true for all in power. It's great that the majority in Congress felt that Murtha wasn't the way, and didn't show faith in his ability. It's just a shame that they ever supported him at all.

Everyone,

I feel that term limits could have a purpose in in our congress. What's the consensus?

 

[piasabird]

Murtha is currupt as the republicans. He funnels contracts to family and friends. The thing about these key jobs is that you tend to fall under more scrutiny once you take them.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne

Remember this is only the first week of fun for people on the right. Things will only become more hilarious as the democrats break promises over the next 2 years.

I cant wait to see how the left on this board takes the heat of constant questioning over democratic legislative decisions. If this first week is any indication, they dont have the will and will cut and run

Now that is a perfect example of what is wrong with our political system. You have people sitting by ready to cheer and celebrate when someone on the other team screws up. Nevermind what is actually good for our country. You'd rather watch our country fall into ruin, just so you can say your team sucks, mine is better. Why don't you start thinking about what is good for America and stop sitting on the sideline wishing for the other team to screw up.

As for broken promises, the democrats could break damn near every promise in the next two years and still not come close to touching the lies, broken promises and corrruption we saw from the Republicans.

I am a realist, I dont live in a fantasy world where "my" party is infallible. When a politician tells you one thing expect nothing from it, honestly.

As for the getting ready, yes I will, because it will be more than enjoyable watching the people on this msgboard who claimed some kind of moral authority try to defend the same crap from the dems as did from the repubs for the last 4-6 years.

Calm down mother, it's going to be okay.

Why is it that all of your posts lately have been stupid comments like this instead of attacking corrupt Democrats like you did Republicans?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Genx87

Remember that this is overwhelmingly a Liberal Forum. the members here represent a small portion of the very left, and do not accurately represent the moderates that make up most of the United States.

Democrats or republicans, it doesn't matter. They are inherently broken and need a third or even fourth party to fix them. We can't expect much from either party nowadays. Bush and Co. can't manage to talk about the Border with any intelligence, and the Democrats have no plan at all for Iraq that thay have shown.

I figure that it doesn't matter which party that they are in, just that they are willing to do ANYTHING at all other than line thier pockets with my money.

Wrong-o, most of the people here are moderates, you have to dissect the issues on at a time. Dave doesn't speak for everyone here.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: maluckey
Genx87

Remember that this is overwhelmingly a Liberal Forum. the members here represent a small portion of the very left, and do not accurately represent the moderates that make up most of the United States.

Democrats or republicans, it doesn't matter. They are inherently broken and need a third or even fourth party to fix them. We can't expect much from either party nowadays. Bush and Co. can't manage to talk about the Border with any intelligence, and the Democrats have no plan at all for Iraq that thay have shown.

I figure that it doesn't matter which party that they are in, just that they are willing to do ANYTHING at all other than line thier pockets with my money.

Wrong-o, most of the people here are moderates, you have to dissect the issues on at a time. Dave doesn't speak for everyone here.

Then why don't you see the same people that constantly attack corrupt Republicans attack the Democrats that are equally corrupt?

 

[International Machine Consortium]

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w061113&s=crowley111606

There is certainly some truth in that article, especially the line about Pelosi being tone-deaf vis à vie the press. This was certainly an error on her part, but I can understand why she did it. Without Murtha, the Dems would not have won this election. He was the first to recognize Iraq as a total failure, a lost cause. So she was returning the favor. However, I don't think she properly assessed the situation and acted somewhat recklessly.
Murtha certainly dropped several notches in my book.... If he's a crook he should retire now. Bu Bye. Don't let the door hit you in the as*.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w061113&s=crowley111606

There is certainly some truth in that article, especially the line about Pelosi being tone-deaf vis à vie the press. This was certainly an error on her part, but I can understand why she did it. Without Murtha, the Dems would not have won this election. He was the first to recognize it as a total failure, a lost cause. So she was returning the favor. However, I don't think she properly assessed the situation and acted somewhat recklessly.
Murtha certainly dropped several notches in my book.... If he's a crook he should retire now. Bu Bye. Don't let the door hit you in the as*.

Thanks for your honesty, I take back what I said in my previous post.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: maluckey
Genx87

Remember that this is overwhelmingly a Liberal Forum. the members here represent a small portion of the very left, and do not accurately represent the moderates that make up most of the United States.

Democrats or republicans, it doesn't matter. They are inherently broken and need a third or even fourth party to fix them. We can't expect much from either party nowadays. Bush and Co. can't manage to talk about the Border with any intelligence, and the Democrats have no plan at all for Iraq that thay have shown.

I figure that it doesn't matter which party that they are in, just that they are willing to do ANYTHING at all other than line thier pockets with my money.

Wrong-o, most of the people here are moderates, you have to dissect the issues on at a time. Dave doesn't speak for everyone here.

Then why don't you see the same people that constantly attack corrupt Republicans attack the Democrats that are equally corrupt?

I guess the point I'm trying to make is to be careful with blanket statements. Some folks around here label someone as far left just because they hate Bush for instance. I know a lot of hardcore Republicans who hate Bush so you can't use that as the only criteria.

There have been several threads in the last few months where people have stated their views on a variety of issues, immigration, taxes, abortion, etc and I think it opened a lot of eyes around here that people typically labeled as far left or far right really aren't and are being judged as such because of their opinion on one particular topic rather than the sum of their collective views.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Genx87


I am a realist, I dont live in a fantasy world where "my" party is infallible. When a politician tells you one thing expect nothing from it, honestly.

As for the getting ready, yes I will, because it will be more than enjoyable watching the people on this msgboard who claimed some kind of moral authority try to defend the same crap from the dems as did from the repubs for the last 4-6 years.

You just can't help being a partisian tool can you.

The Dem's aren't even sworn into office yet and even when they are, they have a very, very, slim majority. On top of that, Bush is still our fearless leader.

If your getting all excited about playing the blame game then come back after the Dem's have control of everything. Then you can blame whatever goes wrong on them. Right now, it's all the Repug's mess and it will be some time before things get straightened out.

You think it's payback time and you just might be right, but if it goes that route I doubt you will like it much.

 

[Jhhnn]

When you're the OP, Maluckey, you're obliged to offer up verification for your claim, not accuse others of laziness, particularly when you've exhibited your own...

Murtha's very passionate about soldiers dying to feed the profits of Halliburton et al, so, yeh, having to deal with the other stuff probably seems like crap to him. But, wait, whose crap is it, after all? It's the Repubs' crap, stinkin' up the chamber, forcing Dems to act as the janitors...

And you forgot to mention that he said he'd support Pelosi's initiative wrt ethics, anyway, even though he resents having to clean up after the Repubs before getting on with more important business... and I don't blame him for that. If repubs' deeds had matched their words over the last 12 years, they wouldn't have been whacked up the side of the head by the electorate, would they?

 

[UberNeuman]

Why would anyone care about the leanings of the board... Nobody is forcing anyone to post here - the only time it seems to be an issue is when some folks can't back up there claims/and or others don't go along with it....

If you have a solid argument - then you'll have ground to stand on... quit bitching....

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Murtha wasn't voted in as Majority Leader. I guess the Dems aren't as corrupt as you alleged.

Yea!!! that FBI bribe video was nothing but a big misunderstanding and taken out of context.

 

[Jhhnn]

Remarkable how the rightwing attempts to tar Murtha with abscam... He turned down the money, remember? Or does that not matter?

From Wikipedia-

"Full length versions of the tape [9]show that the FBI undercover operative repeatedly attempted to offer Rep. Murtha money, whereby Rep. Murtha declined. The U.S. Attorneys Office declined prosecution of Mr. Murtha, reasoning that the Congressman's intent was to obtain investment in his district, the very premise of the FBI operation. Retired FBI Agents familiar with the investigation felt that Murtha was "stringing along" a group of "businessmen", seeing whether they would "put up or shut up" and invest in Western Pennsylvania.[citation needed] Mr. Murtha's district had been extremely hard hit economically. Full length viewing of the tape reveal Murtha citing prospective investment opportunities that could return "500 or 1000" miners to work."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam

Our representatives have to deal with a variety of shady characters on a regular basis, just to get the job done. Shady characters as in wealthy businessmen and influence peddlers, idols of the right fringe in general. Murtha's only transgression was failure to report the incident, something that's probably occurred thousands of times since the abscam investigation...

 

[shaunnol]

If Jack Murtha's a liberal, then Lincoln Chafee was a conservative.

 

[maluckey]

Murtha's very passionate about soldiers dying to feed the profits of Halliburton et al, so, yeh, having to deal with the other stuff probably seems like crap to him. But, wait, whose crap is it, after all? It's the Repubs' crap, stinkin' up the chamber, forcing Dems to act as the janitors...

Murtha is also passionate about lining his pockets and steering contracts to his brother?s lobbying firm...KSA.

Perhaps he is only against the war because there was no money in it for him.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: maluckey

Murtha's very passionate about soldiers dying to feed the profits of Halliburton et al, so, yeh, having to deal with the other stuff probably seems like crap to him. But, wait, whose crap is it, after all? It's the Repubs' crap, stinkin' up the chamber, forcing Dems to act as the janitors...

Murtha is also passionate about lining his pockets and steering contracts to his brother?s lobbying firm...KSA.

Perhaps he is only against the war because there was no money in it for him.

Tom DeLay was honest though. :laugh:
Lott is a confirmed racist.
Whatever.

 

[theblackbox]

can't we just accept that all politicans are most likely corrupt, and not argue who is more corrupt or dishonest. we put them in office. shouldn't we take the responsibilty to fix that instead of complaining about what they do?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: maluckey
John Murtha, the liberal anti-war poster child, has finally shown his true colors. His strongest supporter took a beating from him as he called an ethics and lobbying reform bill supported by Nancy Pelosi is "total crap", but then added that he would support it anyways. One should NEVER attack ones strongest supporter unless you hope to gain something greater for h effort. I can't see what he has to gain other than making his opponent, Hoyer look better. I agree with Murtha that the bill is crap, and that Pelosi is out of touch (maybe because she's new to he job), but he could just find a constructive way to criticize the bill, and then not support it.

If Murtha won't follow his own conscience on this, then what else do we have to look forward to?

strong is the force with this one.
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[maluckey]

can't we just accept that all politicans are most likely corrupt, and not argue who is more corrupt or dishonest. we put them in office. shouldn't we take the responsibilty to fix that instead of complaining about what they do?

We truly should work to get these corrupt turds out of ofice. I am doubting Pelosi and her intentions to do so with each crony/thug that she backs.

Politicians are inherently tarnished. The higher the level the more that they likely had to compromise their integrity.