any californians here?

[Greenman]

UoCS analyzed this back in 2015 and:

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Good information, thank you.

 

[Amused]

Been living in California since 1974…more power to him. California is a great example of what happens when good intentions get steam-rollered by extreme ideology.

-KeithP

And yet, having grown up in Los Angeles (Valley) in the 1970s and 80s, I can attest to their clean air standards working AMAZINGLY well.

As a child we would regularly get smog lung (anything other than a very shallow breath resulted in a sharp stabbing pain in your chest), and have to sit quietly and take shallow breaths until the stabbing pain in our chests stopped.

Fast forward 30 years. The air is so clean, I can do a century on my road bike ANY day of the year in the Valley or LA bay area and NEVER get smog lung.

And there are over 5 million more people in the area now.

So you can shit on CA for a lot of things. But actually FIXING air quality is not one of them. They did it amazingly well and still struggle to maintain it in a growing population.

So fuck Trump and his attempt to dismantle CA's air quality efforts.

 

[ericlp]

So you can shit on CA for a lot of things. But actually FIXING air quality is not one of them. They did it amazingly well and still struggle to maintain it in a growing population.

So fuck Trump and his attempt to dismantle CA's air quality efforts.

I think I read there were many states that are setting the same standards as California for their environmental laws. So, there are plenty of people behind it.

The fact that the trump admin, is rolling along losing more than 90 percent of its court battles over deregulation is pretty clear that he will continue to fail...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Does that include production of the batteries?

Please educate us on how the production of batteries would have an impact on whether electricity is clean or not?
Or is that just another response akin to well what about 2nd hand smoke when gun control is mentioned...

 

[JEDIYoda]

The OP mids titled this thread -- it should have been -- Any Californians here willing to admit it....lolol

 

[Greenman]

Please educate us on how the production of batteries would have an impact on whether electricity is clean or not?
Or is that just another response akin to well what about 2nd hand smoke when gun control is mentioned...

Read the thread before going off on a tangent please. The question was regarding the overall pollution created by electric vehicles, and it was answered. Your ire is misplaced and unnecessary.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Read the thread before going off on a tangent please. The question was regarding the overall pollution created by electric vehicles, and it was answered. Your ire is misplaced and unnecessary.

Not really! Even with the addidtional manufacturing of batteries included. Electrical vehicles including the manufacturing of batteries still is not even close to mbeing on par with the pollution caused by oil guzzing and gas burning vehuilces!
So perhaps I was right! There is no comparison, unless comparisons are being used to trey to discredit the move towards electric vehicles!

 

[Greenman]

Not really! Even with the addidtional manufacturing of batteries included. Electrical vehicles including the manufacturing of batteries still is not even close to mbeing on par with the pollution caused by oil guzzing and gas burning vehuilces!
So perhaps I was right! There is no comparison, unless comparisons are being used to trey to discredit the move towards electric vehicles!

You're arguing against a point that was never made. Again, just read the thread and you'll have a better grasp of what the discussion was about. I'd also recommend turning on your browsers spell checker.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Does that include production of the batteries?

You assumed that I did not read the thread or the articles!
Then you ask a question that could be viewed as trying to derail the topic by asking about battery production!
I then replied that even if you included battery production, electric vehicles would still be far more environment friendly than gas guzzing oil polluting vehicles!
Your turn...

 

[zzyzxroad]

And yet, having grown up in Los Angeles (Valley) in the 1970s and 80s, I can attest to their clean air standards working AMAZINGLY well.

As a child we would regularly get smog lung (anything other than a very shallow breath resulted in a sharp stabbing pain in your chest), and have to sit quietly and take shallow breaths until the stabbing pain in our chests stopped.

Fast forward 30 years. The air is so clean, I can do a century on my road bike ANY day of the year in the Valley or LA bay area and NEVER get smog lung.

And there are over 5 million more people in the area now.

So you can shit on CA for a lot of things. But actually FIXING air quality is not one of them. They did it amazingly well and still struggle to maintain it in a growing population.

So fuck Trump and his attempt to dismantle CA's air quality efforts.

Remember smog alerts?

 

[thilanliyan]

Isn't black lung from clean coal all the rage these days? Why are these libs so behind the times?!! 😛

 

[blankslate]

Manufacturing of batteries used in cars can release toxic materials if the factory isn't properly built but once the battery( batteries) is/are in the EV it is not an issue (afaik) unless you end up in a fiery car crash with your EV.

Also the claim that EV's just shift the carbon emissions to the power plant is popular (among conservatives especially it seems) but debatable depending on where what power plant supplies the electricity to the charging station. Obviously a energy generated at a hydroelectric source in a dam is better than a coal fire plant.


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[Greenman]

Manufacturing of batteries used in cars can release toxic materials if the factory isn't properly built but once the battery( batteries) is/are in the EV it is not an issue (afaik) unless you end up in a fiery car crash with your EV.

Also the claim that EV's just shift the carbon emissions to the power plant is popular (among conservatives especially it seems) but debatable depending on where what power plant supplies the electricity to the charging station. Obviously a energy generated at a hydroelectric source in a dam is better than a coal fire plant.
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I would think that hydroelectric would be about as clean as energy gets, even allowing for the fuel used in building it.

 

[theeedude]

I am looking forward to some of those rich Central California "liberals" driving their supercharged V8 Mercedes SUV's to the oil drilling protests. Until we all drive electric cars, we have to recognize that we are the ones paying for those wells.

 

[zinfamous]

Please educate us on how the production of batteries would have an impact on whether electricity is clean or not?
Or is that just another response akin to well what about 2nd hand smoke when gun control is mentioned...

Mining the raw materials used to build these batteries is not a clean process and as always, there is toxic waste runoff during manufacturing.

 

[K1052]

Also the claim that EV's just shift the carbon emissions to the power plant is popular (among conservatives especially it seems) but debatable depending on where what power plant supplies the electricity to the charging station. Obviously a energy generated at a hydroelectric source in a dam is better than a coal fire plant.

Also the US power grid's carbon load has reduced a lot as gas and now renewables are pushing coal offline nationwide due to cost.

 

[fskimospy]

Manufacturing of batteries used in cars can release toxic materials if the factory isn't properly built but once the battery( batteries) is/are in the EV it is not an issue (afaik) unless you end up in a fiery car crash with your EV.

Also the claim that EV's just shift the carbon emissions to the power plant is popular (among conservatives especially it seems) but debatable depending on where what power plant supplies the electricity to the charging station. Obviously a energy generated at a hydroelectric source in a dam is better than a coal fire plant.
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There is no source of power in the US, even a coal fired plant, where an EV emits more carbon per mile than a comparable sedan.

 

[jmagg]

The unavoidable question, is how to dispose of the huge volume of spent batterys after saturation.

 

[K1052]

The unavoidable question, is how to dispose of the huge volume of spent batterys after saturation.

Cells that still have usable life in them can get repurposed for stationary energy storage. Even with higher levels of degradation they can perform useful service for years.

Once end of life is reached recycle them to recover the materials.

 

[thilanliyan]

I am looking forward to some of those rich Central California "liberals" driving their supercharged V8 Mercedes SUV's to the oil drilling protests.

That's so unrealistic....Mercedes are all turbo'd these days, not supercharged... 😛

 

[Amused]

Remember smog alerts?

Dude, I felt them. But yes, and they still have them in the inland empire. Air quality, after 30 years of improvement, is sliding backwards a bit now in the IE and OC. Still good in the beach areas though and the Valley is still much better.

 

[blankslate]

There is no source of power in the US, even a coal fired plant, where an EV emits more carbon per mile than a comparable sedan.

there is however a period of time in which it takes for an EV's inherent zero carbon rating on the road to overcome the carbon inputs (due to manufacturing processes mainly dealing with the batteries for them) to see the EV become actually Zero emission accounting for everything. A Tesla would take longer than a Nissan leaf to end up being become "Carbon Neutral"

the above is a pretty good explanation dealing with links to the references the used to to produce the video in the video description.

So... as you can (if you're not too busy to watch the video) see while it takes more carbon emissions to create the EV than a gasoline vehicle after a year or two the EV ends up producing less carbon (by far actually eventually becoming a net carbon sink) than a gasoline fueled car.

A Tesla takes the longest to become "Carbon Neutral" then carbon negative (for want of a better term) due to the larger battery capacity than just about any other EV currently produced in large numbers.


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