Any Black 5000+ users yet?

[fk49]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: fk49

Originally posted by: rchiu
My Brisbane x2 4000+ oc'ed to ~2.9ghz and I think Brisbane core on average tops out at around 3.ghz. If you get 3.2/3.3, that's very lucky. I would say 3.0ghz is an average overclock. Black 5000+ make it easy to oc with unlocked multiplier, but the cpu itself is not necessary hand picked to guarantee higher oc.

With that in mind, do you think the price premium of the x2 5000 would be worth it over the x2 4000 if my RAM does not seem to enjoy overclocking? If its still possible to reach ~3ghz by just raising the FSB on the x2 4000, I don't see the point of spending $60 more.

Possible to reach ~3ghz? Yes, but I'd say it's probably 40/60. And with x2 4000, your mobo and memory will need to play nice with your oc as well. If you don't have good memory and good mobo, and you HAVE TO get to around 3.0, I'd say the $60 is worth it. But if you can live with 2.7~3.0 and everything in between, the x2 4000 is pretty good for the money. In my case, I have good RAM and decent oc mobo, and I decided to go cheap with CPU, so I went with the 4000.

Hmm. Well my motherboard has a pretty good reputation as an overclocking -- I believe its just the memory holding me back. But yeah, anything around 2.7~3.0 would be a good o/c on this system. and I suppose the $60 I save would be able to go towards buying good RAM or a better gfx card anyway.

 

[datwater]

What to believe?

On the above referenced setup, the Asus PC Probe II program is the one I have been using to check the CPU temperature. Someone mentioend "Core Temp 0.95" so I tried that and it tells me:

Core 0 - 10c
Core 1 - 17c

That interested me enough that I got "Sensors View" and that tells me:

CPU - 13c

Of course I'd like to believe either of those programs over the Asus one - but how can I tell which one is correct?

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: datwater
16X @ 1.45v = 55 degrees C under load and STILL not Orthos stable. BSOD.

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It seems that you were very unlucky with this chip. Try making it stable at 3.1 Ghz. It should work at this voltage.

 

[datwater]

I tried FSB instead. Also disappointing. Ratcheted HT down to 4x and Memory down to 533 so I knew if it failed it was CPU limited.

15X 210 @ 1.40v = 3.15ghz = Orthos stable
15x 220 @ 1.40v = fail to boot.

Now I have a second 5000 still in the box that I haven't tried yet. I bought it from a guy on another message board, but it took 3 weeks to get here, so I bought the one I'm using in the meantime because I got impatient. He has the same board as me and got it to run at 16x. Maybe if it doesn't sell in a few days I'll swap em around.

 

[Sylvanas]

I just received my 5000 BE with my new MSI K9A2 Platinum, I am interested to see what it can do on the RD790, will hopefully have some results later this week.

 

[datwater]

Better ... I just popped this other one in and I get 16x @ 1.42v orthos stable and 35c under load.

 

[j0j081]

Originally posted by: datwater
Better ... I just popped this other one in and I get 16x @ 1.42v orthos stable and 35c under load.

hmm so basically your results are proof that there is no garuanteed overclock with the 5000+ BE making the higher models an even better buy.

 

[datwater]

Originally posted by: j0j081

Originally posted by: datwater
Better ... I just popped this other one in and I get 16x @ 1.42v orthos stable and 35c under load.

hmm so basically your results are proof that there is no garuanteed overclock with the 5000+ BE making the higher models an even better buy.

There is no such thing as a guaranteed overclock - PERIOD. In this or any other chip. The only guarantee with this is that it has an upward unlocked multi - PERIOD

 

[roadhead]

I was able to get mine at 16x200 at 1.3750 volts. (5000+ Black Edition) I've got an Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe motherboard (nForce 570) and a Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme heatsink with a 120mm fan.

Being a huge nerd I ordered a second set of fan clips and fan for the heatsink, just because its already practically silent when compared to my old mobile athlon setup with its Thermaltake Volcano heatsink/fan.

My system temp is reported around 33c and at idle thats what my CPU is reported at as well, reaching 46c at full load (two instances of Prime95 assigned to different cores)

With the side of my case (Antec P182) off at idle the CPU temp is reported at 29c!

One thing I'm thinking about. With this motherboard and heatsink, the heatsink can only mount one way, parallel to my graphics card.

I put the fan below the heatsink, blowing air through each, which is also sucking the hot air generated by the graphics card and passing it over the heatsink and up towards the exhaust fan in the top of the case.

With the arrival of my second fan today, I think I'll try mounting it blowing at the top of the case, and then try the bottom fan both ways to see if it makes a difference. If both fans are "sucking" air from between the heat spreaders on the sink, and the fresh air is drawn in from the sides (one of which faces 2 120mm fans in series mounted in the upper drive bay of the case) maybe I'd see a difference?

Any thoughts?

 

[j0j081]

Originally posted by: datwater

Originally posted by: j0j081

Originally posted by: datwater
Better ... I just popped this other one in and I get 16x @ 1.42v orthos stable and 35c under load.

hmm so basically your results are proof that there is no garuanteed overclock with the 5000+ BE making the higher models an even better buy.

There is no such thing as a guaranteed overclock - PERIOD. In this or any other chip. The only guarantee with this is that it has an upward unlocked multi - PERIOD

yeah well from what I've been reading both here and at other boards a lot of people buy the 5000+ BE assuming they'll be at least be able to match the speed of the 6000/64000+ or higher to make up for the lesser cache.

 

[datwater]

Meh. I got the 5000 instead of the 6400 because it's 65nm instead of 90nm and runs cooler and consumes less power, in addition to costing less and offering similar performance.

 

[WT]

I just got my B.E. yesterday, with plans to drop it into my Asrock SATAII-939 rig, but I made the mistake of asking for the AM2CPU card for Xmas, so now I hafta longingly gaze at it new in box, with no chance of dropping it in before December 25 .. ohhh cruel fate, how thee doth tempt me so !!
I seriously considered buying a second one for myself along with the B.E. and putting it to work, rather than wait 2 more weeks, then acting sooo happy on Christmas morning.

Hi, my name is WT ... and, I am obsessed with PC hardware.

 

[roadhead]

I used Coretemp for the first time a couple of days ago, and on my new BE 5000+ I've got nearly a 10c difference in the temp of my two cores at idle. One reports 13c, the the other around 22c

Is this normal or did I totally bork my Ultra-120 Extreme install?

 

[error8]

I don't think Core Temp reports the temperature correctly. It is not possible to have a core at 13 C , except if your room temperature is at or under 13 C. I use Everest and Asus Probe to see the REAL temperatures.

 

[Sylvanas]

I have just got up and running- for a quick and dirty OC I am running 16x200 1.42v on my MSI K9A2 PLatinum (RD790) I reckon I can go alot higher as Speedfan says its @ 37c full load in Orthos (although It's summer here so I am running with the airconditioning on ) I will be testing more next week. I must say however that AMD Overdrive is an excellent app, everything I'll ever need to tweak isolated in one easy to use app.

Stay tuned....

 

[nOOky]

My 5000+ runs at 3.21 @ 1.4v all day long. My story is this. I purchased the cpu a month ago, installed it in my Asus mobo and set the multiplier to 16x and the voltage to 1.4V. It ran fine in Windows and for everything but multiplayer gaming. However, I kept having my computer shut down during intense gaming. To make a long story short, I purchased a 6400+ B.E. thinking that it would run at 3.21 all day also, but not crash in games. Wrong, it ended up being my power supply. Now, I put the 5000+ back in, and it's running at 3.21 anf I played CoD4 for over an hour crash-free.
So maybe I got lucky with mine, however I am going to keep the 6400+ simply for the larger cache and the 5000+ is for sale elsewhere. Wish I would have gotten that psu earlier hehe.

 

[WT]

Return visit to this thread now that everything is running:
I seem to hit a FSB wall at 275 on the Asrock board using the newest BIOS (this is a known issue with earlier Asrock BIOS updates) but that unlocked multi is pure joy to have in that situation !! It ran all night at 3.0, so I bumped it up another multi (now at 12.5 I think) for a reported 3.1ghz, and it hasn't gotten above 32c on a cheap Cooler Master HyperTX cooler. I'm shooting for 3.4 stable, so that seems optimistic, but I have faith I will get it there. 3dMark06 scores are over 8k with a 7x00 series card, which is very nice considering my C2D e6600@3.2ghz scores around 10k with an 8800GTS !

Edit: A small bump to the vid card core and memory clocks has my 3dmark06 up to 9127. Wow ... I am impressed !

 

[rip]

UPped this thread because:
I installed my 5000BE and in bios, Vcore and CPU Frequency Config>CPU Ratio settings went away.
the board: MSI K9N SLI Platinum or MS-7250 Version 1.1
I flashed to the latest bios, looked everywhere, the settings are not available (they used to be w/ the old chip(s) X2 3800 and a single 3200)
Any ideas as to what I've mucked up?

 

[skillyho]

Bump for you....that's no good.

 

[Tempered81]

why are you be am2 guys running high multis and low FSBs? wouldnt like 7x400 be an overall faster system than 14x200?

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
why are you be am2 guys running high multis and low FSBs? wouldnt like 7x400 be an overall faster system than 14x200?

Running an even multiplier with the memory at 1:2 ratio keeps my RAM running at 800mhz which was easier at first rather than mucking around with different bus speeds and multis. Right now I am at 250x13 3.21GHZ 1.456vcore 1:2 928mhz RAM 4-4-4-12 and your right, according to Everest this config has more bandwidth than my previous 16x200 800mhz 3-3-3-9.