Antilles dual card packs two Caymans

[T2k]

WOW, that's close!, pretty much what the 580 v 5970 are!...

Except it's not.

 

[SolMiester]

Except it's not.

Err, yes it is...overall.

 

[T2k]

Err, yes it is...overall.

It's not. It measures up in typically low-rez and mostly in NV-sponsored-type (Metro etc) games.

 

[happy medium]

Except it's not.

Yes it is, its 2% slower, thats not close enough?

This has been covered by another thread and allready established.

 

[T2k]

Yes it is, its 2% slower, thats not close enough?

Not, it is not, stop pushing false info.
Look at AT's charts, it's between 5%-10% on average with exception where it's very close, here and there occasionally.

This has been covered by another thread and allready established.

Becuase you say so? C'mon kids, you are now wearing me down with these "thick" comments... first you proved you don't know anything about dirver changelogs, now you are declaring something based on your 'selective' views?
Tally up all 1920-2560 numbers 580 vs 5970, I'm pretty sure it will be somewhere between 5-10%, with NVPIMP games leaning toward 580.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Yes it is, its 2% slower, thats not close enough?

This has been covered by another thread and allready established.

People clinging to a comparison running old drivers without the updated crossfire profiles/fixes is not the best of examples or "established."

 

[happy medium]

People clinging to a comparison running old drivers without the updated crossfire profiles/fixes is not the best of examples or "established."

Same old crap, they ran the wrong drivers, they played with image quality, ect. ect. ect.
The mighty DUAL gpu 5970 with mature drivers will not be faster then 1 gtx580 with mature drivers, face it. Add in crappy quadfire crossfire performance and the 5970's suck ,plain and simple. So want to upgrade later? The gtx580 in sli will blow 2 mighty 5970's out of the water.

So take you 5% , 10% in fact take 15% it doesn't matter, when you go to upgrade your screwed.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Same old crap, they ran the wrong drivers, they played with image quality, ect. ect. ect.
The mighty DUAL gpu 5970 with mature drivers will not be faster then 1 gtx580 with mature drivers, face it. Add in crappy quadfire crossfire performance and the 5970's suck ,plain and simple. So want to upgrade later? The gtx580 in sli will blow 2 mighty 5970's out of the water.

So take you 5% , 10% in fact take 15% it doesn't matter, when you go to upgrade your screwed.

Try reading Anan's review. And honestly I wouldn't buy either card right now because of the price vs performance. The big difference is that the 5970 is a year old and it's throwing down with the best Nvidia can do.

I think the 580 is a good step up from the problems of the 480 but I wouldn't buy them. The 5970 is just too old for my choice with the 6970 & 6990 coming out with better Tesselation performance.

EDIT: And sorry for the edits, I really just messed up on posting.

 

[happy medium]

The big difference is that the 5970 is a year old and it's throwing down with the best Nvidia can do.

What you seem to forget is the 4870x2 (dual gpu) was more then a year old and threw down with the 5870?
Everyone said how great the 5870 was right?

Now the 5970 (dual gpu) is just a year old and the gtx580 is throwing down with it.

Whats the difference?

 

[Ares1214]

What you seem to forget is the 4870x2 (dual gpu) was more then a year old and threw down with the 5870?
Everyone said how great the 5870 was right?

Now the 5970 (dual gpu) is just a year old and the gtx580 is throwing down with it.

Whats the difference?

Correct, if we are willing to get a dual card, why get a 5970? Why not just Xfire 2 6870's/6850's? Its a valid comparison in a value respect, but its unfair to say XXXX 3 year old dual card is greater than current single card.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Correct, if we are willing to get a dual card, why get a 5970? Why not just Xfire 2 6870's/6850's? Its a valid comparison in a value respect, but its unfair to say XXXX 3 year old dual card is greater than current single card.

Just as a side note, the GTX580 vs the 6870/6850 CF seems to be the perfect scenario for the NVIDIA big die vs AMD 2 small dies philosophical debate:

520mm^2 vs 510mm^2 (255x2).

Cypress didn't exactly fill that bill. And I guess Cayman won't fit it either.

 

[Skurge]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/...tion_of_Dual_Chip_Flagship_Graphics_Card.html

So Cayman is not delayed, but Antilles is.

 

[Aristotelian]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/...tion_of_Dual_Chip_Flagship_Graphics_Card.html

So Cayman is not delayed, but Antilles is.

The typo on the first page "delay of the 5990" should read as "delay of the 6990" right? I have issues with the writing of articles like that. Consider:

"Considering the fact that Nvidia Corp. has just released its new flagship GeForce GTX 580, which offers up to 30% of performance increase over GeForce GTX 480 and generally offers a number of advantages compared to Radeon HD 5970, formally the highest-end consumer graphics card on the market, the delay of the Radeon HD 5990 is not a good news for AMD."

That only follows if the 6970 doesn't compete with the 580. It seems to be a foregone conclusion by xbitlabs that this is the case, and unless they know something we don't, an unfair one. They presumed that only the 6990 would compete with the 580. I wish sites like these were a bit more careful with writing two paragraph, page hit blurbs like this.

 

[Arkadrel]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/...tion_of_Dual_Chip_Flagship_Graphics_Card.html

So Cayman is not delayed, but Antilles is.

Is 28nm ready by then? if it is....

The good news for the company is that its single-chip high-end offerings based on Cayman GPU are still on-track for the fourth quarter launch.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Someone tell me when the last time was the competitor build a GPU faster than the others dual card!...

You are missing my point.

When Nvidia had the GTX295 the Nvidia guys were perfectly fine with that dual GPU part. Now that Nvidia hasn't been able to build a dual card all we hear about from the Nzoners (using OCGuy's terminology here... the door swings both ways) is how dual GPU setups have too many issues. He stated that all of the 'zoners' have faux outrage over Fermi's power use. So I am trying to point out how all of the Nvidia guys suddenly have faux outrage over dual GPU, even though some of them championed a 460SLI set up over a 5870 and the GTX295 over the 5870.

I prefer single GPU set ups as well, but not at any cost. The GTX480's power and noise issues were not 'faux outrage' by many of us. Now that the GTX580 is out we can see just how bad the GTX480 really was in many respects.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Same old crap, they ran the wrong drivers, they played with image quality, ect. ect. ect.
The mighty DUAL gpu 5970 with mature drivers will not be faster then 1 gtx580 with mature drivers, face it. Add in crappy quadfire crossfire performance and the 5970's suck ,plain and simple. So want to upgrade later? The gtx580 in sli will blow 2 mighty 5970's out of the water.

So take you 5% , 10% in fact take 15% it doesn't matter, when you go to upgrade your screwed.

Honest question. The GTX580 is more or less a refined GTX480, how much more are we expecting from drivers? To me the GTX580 is a lot like the 4870 -> 4890. It's not an identical chip, it's not just an overclock, but really the 'guts' appear to be mostly the same. Do we really expect a whole lot more out of drivers or do we think the drivers should be pretty mature by now? I would think that they'd be mature seeing as the chip is so similar to the GTX480, but honestly don't know I guess.

What you seem to forget is the 4870x2 (dual gpu) was more then a year old and threw down with the 5870?
Everyone said how great the 5870 was right?

Now the 5970 (dual gpu) is just a year old and the gtx580 is throwing down with it.

Whats the difference?

The difference is the 5870 replaced the 4870, the 5970 replaced the 4870x2. So when we look at Nvidia's fastest part vs. AMD's fastest part, AMD's year old fastest part is still the overall faster part than Nvidia's brand spanking new GTX580. Of course there are multi-GPU issues to consider which may or may not be a big deal depending on your preferences. But speaking strictly from a performance stand point Nvidia's fastest card that is two days old is still slightly slower than AMD's fastest part that is a year old. Depending on what Nvidia brings out with their x2 part and how AMD's upcoming parts perform, that may all change, but as of now it's still slower.