Antifa / far right groups protesting in Portland this afternoon. What'll happen this time?

[Amused]

By violently attacking and trying to silence those they disagree with. Very anti fascist

How else have Nazis ever been stopped?

Tell, me, when was the time for violence...
Before or after the beer hall putsches?
Before or after the Nazi Party gained popular favor?
Before or after Hitler was elected?
Before or after Hitler seized total power?
Before or after kristallnacht?
Before or after the anti-jewish laws were passed
Before or after 6 million Jews and 5 million other minorities were rounded up and cremated in ovens?
Before or after 85 million people in the world lost their lives?

Was it fascist for us to use violence to stop the Nazis?

Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?

The ONLY response to nazism and those who seek to violate the human rights of others is extreme violent rejection in its complete entirety.

Because people like you are too fucking stupid to learn from history.

Intolerance cannot and should not ever be tolerated. It has ALWAYS led to the loss of tolerance.

 

[Amused]

Look. I drew you a fucking picture. I ran out of crayons, though. so it may be too sophisticated for you.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Right-wing fascists verses the left-wing fascists. Should be fun times.

ignorance, continue to wallow in it.

 

[UglyCasanova]

How else have Nazis ever been stopped?

Tell, me, when was the time for violence...
Before or after the beer hall putsches?
Before or after the Nazi Party gained popular favor?
Before or after Hitler was elected?
Before or after Hitler sized total power?
Before or after kristallnacht?
Before or after the anti-jewish laws were passed
Before or after 6 million Jews and 5 million other minorities were rounded up and cremated in ovens?
Before or after 85 million people in the world lost their lives?

Was it fascist for us to use violence to stop the Nazis?

Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?

The ONLY response to nazism and those who seek to violate the human rights of others is extreme violent rejection in its complete entirety.

Because people like you are too fucking stupid to learn from history.

Intolerance cannot and should not ever be tolerated. It has ALWAYS led to the loss of tolerance.

The people attending the rallies aren’t Nazis. There are I’m sure very very few Nazis lefts, and they are all pushing 100 and speak German. Trying to paint the picture of those you (and I) disagree with as something they aren’t to demonize them is lazy. The Proud Boys are ignorant and racist but be real about what they are, not use the lazy tactic of "everybody I disagree with is literally a Nazi, literally".

Like I said the Proud Boys are racist POS's. For sure. But attacking them and trying to silence them is a fascist move also. Antifa is what they claim to be against. If they were truly anti fascist they’d of course abide by:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

but they don’t. Because they too are fascist, their own flavor of it.

 

[Greenman]

Oh that's right. I forgot you're brainwashed by the Orwellian propaganda.

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
Anti-fascist means fascist.
Anti-racist is racism.

Look how stupid you are. Antifa stands for anti-fascist. They literally are called ANTI FASCIST and oppose all those who express racist and nationalist ideologies.

And look at you... believing the literal opposite of reality.

North Korea is called the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, I assume you believe that's correct as well?

ANTIFA is no better than the those they hate. Beating people because you disagree with them is never going to end well. It's never going to change someone's mind, all it will accomplish is the creation of more hate. It will lead to escalation and death.
The truly sad thing about ANTFIA is that they think they're accomplishing something, they think they're fighting for whats right, when in reality they're street thugs fostering more hate. One more group of stupid people doing stupid things that are going to be surprised when they get a stupid result.

 

[cytg111]

..But attacking them and trying to silence them is a fascist move also.

Could you share your idea of fascism with the class?

 

[cytg111]

ANTIFA is no better than the those they hate..

- That is very telling.

1. If you are a Nazi/Fasci/KKK/whatever then ANTIFA is surely demon spawn.
2. If you are anti above, then ANTIFA could be like a preemptive freedom fighter organisation.
3. If you dont give a shit either way, then yea, bothsides. Congrats, thats you.

Democracy is fragile and brittle, all I see is a bunch of peeps not able to fight for it .. and thus sooner rather than later someone will take it away from you. Sad.

 

[DarthKyrie]

Armed Nazi's went extinct before I was born... So none!

Please look up the American Nazi party, which is still active in the United States. Also, look up the German Bund, it's members were United States citizens that had US citizen kids and grandkids. Do you actually think that they didn't pass on their ideology to them? Guess what also happens along with being an American? You have the chance to become an armed citizen.

 

[Viper1j]

I did not. I'm on the beach at the Riviera Village. Where are you?

I'm in Pa. But I grew up in Riverside.

 

[cytg111]

By violently attacking and trying to silence those they disagree with. Very anti fascist

Yes.

 

[cytg111]

.. Because they too are fascist, their own flavor of it.

- What the fuck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

You see how Antifa cant possibly, my any metric, be a fascist organisation? Antifa is compromised by some many different kinds of people that to have a singular common fascist goal is impossible. The only thing they DO agree on is getting in the face of Nazis and those who smell like Nazis.

You just moaned about someone calling everyone he dont agree with Nazis (would it be better for you if we called them neo nazis?), yet here you are slinging "fascism" around at anyone you dont agree with.
Good job.

 

[cytg111]

Armed Nazi's went extinct before I was born... So none!

Yet here you are.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Proud Boys & friends must have hired a PR firm. No white power regalia or flags. No swastikas. No stars & bars. They're trying to look respectable.

 

[JEDIYoda]

No, they're claiming victory and rightfully so. Because by walking away, the Proud Boys put the antifa useful idiots on the national stage for the whole country to see. And what does the whole country see? A mob of masked hooligans. Fucking idiots.

here Vic let me fix this for you.....
And what does the whole country see? A mob of masked Trumpsters. Fucking idiots.

 

[crashtech]

So, Antifa are the good guys? I haven't been keeping track, but that seems to be the general consensus here. It's honestly hard to keep track.

 

[Perknose]

Oh geez. The Zionist is here.

And there it its. Another racist bigot crawls out of the woodwork.

 

[Amused]

The people attending the rallies aren’t Nazis. There are I’m sure very very few Nazis lefts, and they are all pushing 100 and speak German. Trying to paint the picture of those you (and I) disagree with as something they aren’t to demonize them is lazy. The Proud Boys are ignorant and racist but be real about what they are, not use the lazy tactic of "everybody I disagree with is literally a Nazi, literally".

Like I said the Proud Boys are racist POS's. For sure. But attacking them and trying to silence them is a fascist move also. Antifa is what they claim to be against. If they were truly anti fascist they’d of course abide by:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

but they don’t. Because they too are fascist, their own flavor of it.

Was that whooshing sound deafening?

It had to be.

The lesson is not about only 1930s Nazis. It's about ANY racist, fascist political movement that believes in any ideology anywhere close to those Nazis.

When is it time to stop them? When is it too late?

WHOOSH!!!

Fuck you're stupid when you try to make excuses for fascist racists.

No one is advocating their speech be illegal. They are simply making it extremely socially unacceptable.

But you cannot grasp the difference, can you?

You confuse freedom of speech with freedom from social consequences for being a Nazi, racist, bigoted fucktard.

So no. While I will fight any legal blockage to your wanting to be a fucking Nazi, I will also cheer on all the people who knock the living shit out of you for expressing an ideology that dehumanizes them.

What you and the Nazis want is the freedom from being actively, violently disagreed with for expressing an ideology that dehumanizes millions and ends with them in mortal danger.

No.

And fuck you and them. Fuck all of you.

 

[mect]

I found that this video did a pretty good job exploring violence from the extreme right and left.

 

[Amused]

North Korea is called the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, I assume you believe that's correct as well?

ANTIFA is no better than the those they hate. Beating people because you disagree with them is never going to end well. It's never going to change someone's mind, all it will accomplish is the creation of more hate. It will lead to escalation and death.
The truly sad thing about ANTFIA is that they think they're accomplishing something, they think they're fighting for whats right, when in reality they're street thugs fostering more hate. One more group of stupid people doing stupid things that are going to be surprised when they get a stupid result.

When was the time to stop the German Nazi Party? Before or after it seized power?

White supremacist, Nazi, racist ideology is an existential threat to all human beings. An imminent threat to peace and freedom not to mention the human rights of billions of people. It should be made so violently socially unacceptable that no one dare express it publicly without fear of losing everything.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

And you equate those will the balls to stand up against the most vile ideology in the history of mankind with that ideology itself???

I can see you in 1920s Germany. Defending the right of the new Nazi movement to be free from counter protesters righteously beating the shit out of them. Because they're just as bad, amirite?

Look how fucking stupid you sound.

 

[Jaskalas]

The Proud Boys & friends must have hired a PR firm. No white power regalia or flags. No swastikas. No stars & bars. They're trying to look respectable.

Republicans are convinced, by Fox News no doubt, that regular Republican voters are being attacked on the streets of America. That they should be afraid. That anyone not "communist" is being attacked.

Far as anyone is concerned, that is how Antifa is labeled.

 

[UNCjigga]

All I know is that only one side literally rode the fucking short bus into town.

 

[DrDoug]

But attacking them and trying to silence them is a fascist move also.

They are too Nazis and your age dodge is bullshit, they're new age Nazis. The young racist conservatives of the 21st century. As far as silencing them they sure seem to be having no problem getting out and making themselves heard, as Portland shows. Besides that they welcome the chance to smash Antifa heads so no need to defend them. As far as punching a Nazi goes? I have no problem with that, none at all. Zilch.

Punching a fascist does not make one a fascist. That doesn't even make sense.

 

[Victorian Gray]

peaceful guys worried about free speech

Proud Boy organizer Joe Biggs

 

[Viper1j]

Was that whooshing sound deafening?

It had to be.

The lesson is not about only 1930s Nazis. It's about ANY racist, fascist political movement that believes in any ideology anywhere close to those Nazis.

When is it time to stop them? When is it too late?

WHOOSH!!!

Fuck you're stupid when you try to make excuses for fascist racists.

No one is advocating their speech be illegal. They are simply making it extremely socially unacceptable.

But you cannot grasp the difference, can you?

You confuse freedom of speech with freedom from social consequences for being a Nazi, racist, bigoted fucktard.

So no. While I will fight any legal blockage to your wanting to be a fucking Nazi, I will also cheer on all the people who knock the living shit out of you for expressing an ideology that dehumanizes them.

What you and the Nazis want is the freedom from being actively, violently disagreed with for expressing an ideology that dehumanizes millions and ends with them in mortal danger.

No.

And fuck you and them. Fuck all of you.

"I used to say in my talks it takes two things to make it happen again, a new Hitler and social conditions similar to those in the 30s. But that's not true. It takes three things: the Hitler, the conditions... and people to follow the Hitler." -- Ira Levin

 

[Juiblex]

And there it its. Another racist bigot crawls out of the woodwork.

The only thing racist thing associated with the word zionism is the Jewish treatment of the Palestinians. But since the antifa is against racism i find your support for the zionist confusing.