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Antifa! Antifa! Antifa! Antifa!

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Militias flocked to Gettysburg to foil a supposed antifa flag burning, an apparent hoax created on social media

For weeks, a mysterious figure on social media talked up plans for antifa protesters to converge on this historical site on Independence Day to burn American flags, an event that seemed at times to border on the farcical.

“Let’s get together and burn flags in protest of thugs and animals in blue,” the anonymous person behind a Facebook page called Left Behind USA wrote in mid-June. There would be antifa face paint, the person wrote, and organizers would “be giving away free small flags to children to safely throw into the fire.”

As word spread, self-proclaimed militias, bikers, skinheads and far-right groups from outside the state issued a call to action, pledging in online videos and posts to come to Gettysburg to protect the Civil War monuments and the nation’s flag from desecration. Some said they would bring firearms and use force if necessary.

On Saturday afternoon, in the hours before the flag burning was to start, they flooded in by the hundreds — heavily armed and unaware, it seemed, that the mysterious Internet poster was not who the person claimed to be.

^^^ LOOK! Under your bed! It's the Commies, Muslims, Gays, Angry Blacks (Why are they so angry, Martha?) ANTIFA!!!

Scared and stupid and bigoted is no way to go through life, Trump-Humpers!
 
What a bunch of idiots. Flag burning is entirely legal and protected by the First Amendment. I wonder if they know you're supposed to burn the flag.
 
pauldun170 said:
On one hand...lol
On the other hand, people appear ready to murder people over burning a piece of cloth likely made in China or Malaysia.

Interesting to see who shows up to gatherings with intent to murder people
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But it's the VIOLENT DEMOCRATS making us do it! 🙄
 
Perfect

In 2017, rumors of an antifa event at the national park prompted a large group of armed militia members to show up. They encountered no one from antifa, but one of the armed militia members accidentally shot himself in the leg with a revolver.
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Also WTF they removed a pastor just going about his business instead of the armed mob of discount bin Nazis that threatened him?

Suddenly, by the statue of Lee, a biker shouted that he had gotten an alarming call. Someone was preparing to burn a flag, after all, he said. Scores of people jumped on their bikes and roared toward the cemetery.

There, they learned it was not the threat they imagined.

A man had entered the cemetery wearing a Black Lives Matter T-shirt. The man, Trent Somes, later told The Post he was visiting the grave of an ancestor, not protesting. A seminarian and associate pastor at First United Methodist Church in Hanover, Pa., Somes said a crowd of about 50 people surrounded him and aggressively questioned him about his shirt.

“I didn’t do anything to them,” he said.

Police arrived and encouraged Somes to leave.

“For his own safety, federal law enforcement made the decision to remove him, and he was escorted out of the cemetery,” Jason Martz, acting public affairs officer for Gettysburg National Military Park, later said.
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There's quite a bit more to that article. This does not appear to have been a "prank." A fraud, perhaps, but not a prank. The account posting this has a lengthy history of appearing to be "antifa" with particularly far left ideas, the very kinds of ideas maligned most by the right. And is oddly helpful to Trump, attacking Biden for being a "rapist," for example.

Notably, the investigation could not identity the person in question, as the name given to the media is fake.

The most likely scenario is that whoever posted this is in fact with the far right. It's of a piece with the Boogaloo Boys posing as antifa online, pretending to organize antifa for the BLM protests.

More than likely, whoever put out this message hoped that actual leftists would show up to burn flags and this would make the left look bad. It didn't happen, so the chuds who showed up look like they got pranked, but in fact the entire thing was all in the family.
 
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Its amusing to me that the majority of Antifa is just morons sitting at home talking on the internet doing absolutely nothing in the real world, and Rupert Murdoch & Alex Jones have convinced millions of brainwashed cowards they're todays great big terrorist threat.

If the psychotic zealots ever wake up and look around they're gonna feel so damn stupid.
 
shortylickens said:
Its amusing to me that the majority of Antifa is just morons sitting at home talking on the internet doing absolutely nothing in the real world, and Rupert Murdoch, Alex Jones and Donald Trump have convinced millions of brainwashed cowards they're todays great big terrorist threat.

If the psychotic zealots ever wake up and look around they're gonna feel so damn stupid.
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FTFY
 
shortylickens said:
Its amusing to me that the majority of Antifa is just morons sitting at home talking on the internet doing absolutely nothing in the real world, and Rupert Murdoch & Alex Jones have convinced millions of brainwashed cowards they're todays great big terrorist threat.

If the psychotic zealots ever wake up and look around they're gonna feel so damn stupid.
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I always thought antifa was a bunch of stupid kids with no centralized leadership, no real idea what they're trying to achieve, and not a single clue as to how to achieve it. It's a hate club.
 
Spacehead said:
Wonder if it was the same person that wanted to get people to storm area 51 last year? 😛
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Hey now! That was serious bidness. Those poor aliens are being held against their will in deplorable conditions. Those brave freedom fighters were going to liberate them. Hero's, one and all. Hero's I tell ya!
 
Greenman said:
I always thought antifa was a bunch of stupid kids with no centralized leadership, no real idea what they're trying to achieve, and not a single clue as to how to achieve it. It's a hate club.
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It's anyone that opposes fascism. Like any group, this includes a few people that do stupid things while claiming to represent antifa. This is enough to convince morons to dismiss the whole group, while simultaneously crying about people who want to reform the entire law enforcement system simply because of "a few bad apples."
 
dank69 said:
It's anyone that opposes fascism. Like any group, this includes a few people that do stupid things while claiming to represent antifa. This is enough to convince morons to dismiss the whole group, while simultaneously crying about people who want to reform the entire law enforcement system simply because of "a few bad apples."
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First off, Greenman's point is entirely moot because this incident almost certainly had nothing to do with so-called "antifa." It was likely the Boogloo Boys or another far right group doing what they've been doing since the BLM protests began: posing as Antifa online to organize radical leftists to do things which either make the left look radical, or will in one way or another result in violence.

Second, I think it's overstating the case to say that people do stupid things while claiming to "represent antifa." I mean, yes that might be true, rarely, but someone is going to have to explain first what they are supposed to be representing. I've heard it said that "Antifa" isn't one organization, but a bunch of sort of loosely affiliated local organizations. That would make it like the Occupy movement, where you had no central leadership, but you had various local groups, "Occupy Wall Street" "Occupy San Francisco" etc. Even suburbs around here had these local organizations.

So tell me, where are these local "antifa" organizations, what are they called, and who is in them? Uhhhhh.....

Antifa right now isn't much more than a phantom created by the right from the barest shreds of reality. It's become a word which for the right generically signifies the "violent left" of whom voters are supposed to fear.

Outside that perception bubble, there doesn't seem to be much of anything there. Sure, leftists are sometimes violent, and a couple times people who were violent said they were "antifa" but that's about it until proven otherwise. I think it's important that people on the left don't tacitly buy into the right's assertion that "antifa" is a real, substantial thing unless or until it is actually proven to be the case.
 
woolfe9998 said:
First off, Greenman's point is entirely moot because this incident almost certainly had nothing to do with so-called "antifa." It was likely the Boogloo Boys or another far right group doing what they've been doing since the BLM protests began: posing as Antifa online to organize radical leftists to do things which either make the left look radical, or will in one way or another result in violence.

Second, I think it's overstating the case to say that people do stupid things while claiming to "represent antifa." I mean, yes that might be true, rarely, but someone is going to have to explain first what they are supposed to be representing. I've heard it said that "Antifa" isn't one organization, but a bunch of sort of loosely affiliated local organizations. That would make it like the Occupy movement, where you had no central leadership, but you had various local groups, "Occupy Wall Street" "Occupy San Francisco" etc. Even suburbs around here had these local organizations.

So tell me, where are these local "antifa" organizations, what are they called, and who is in them? Uhhhhh.....

Antifa right now isn't much more than a phantom created by the right from the barest shreds of reality. It's become a word which for the right generically signifies the "violent left" of whom voters are supposed to fear.

Outside that perception bubble, there doesn't seem to be much of anything there. Sure, leftists are sometimes violent, and a couple times people who were violent said they were "antifa" but that's about it until proven otherwise. I think it's important that people on the left don't tacitly buy into the right's assertion that "antifa" is a real, substantial thing unless or until it is actually proven to be the case.
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That is correct. Like I said, antifa is anyone that opposes fascism. Some people may organize further for specific purposes, but that doesn't mean they represent every other antifascist.
 
Sure, but in 2020 America "anti-fascist" as a label is virtually meaningless. Almost everyone in the country at least claims they are against fascism. Even the vast majority of republicans do.

"Antifa" has no group names, no physical addresses, no one ever identified as a leader, even on a local level, and no death count to its name. IT isn't a thing. Period. It may have had a pedigree in post WWII Europe but in today's America, it's a giant ruse.

Lots of lefties on this forum. Can anyone speak about someone they know who is "antifa" - not against fascism like we all are - but a violent leftist who takes on the label. Anyone know someone who even talks about that, like hey, I'm antifa and we like to bust heads? Anyone actually know someone like that? Where are they?
 
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