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dank69

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Sure, but in 2020 America "anti-fascist" as a label is virtually meaningless. Almost everyone in the country at least claims they are against fascism. Even the vast majority of republicans do.

"Antifa" has no group names, no physical addresses, no one ever identified as a leader, even on a local level, and no death count to its name. IT isn't a thing. Period. It may have had a pedigree in post WWII Europe but in today's America, it's a giant ruse.

Lots of lefties on this forum. Can anyone speak about someone they know who is "antifa" - not against fascism like we all are - but a violent leftist who takes on the label. Anyone know someone who even talks about that, like hey, I'm antifa and we like to bust heads? Anyone actually know someone like that? Where are they?
No I don't know anyone who does, but these days we all should proudly identify as Antifa.
 
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Sure, but in 2020 America "anti-fascist" as a label is virtually meaningless. Almost everyone in the country at least claims they are against fascism. Even the vast majority of republicans do.

"Antifa" has no group names, no physical addresses, no one ever identified as a leader, even on a local level, and no death count to its name. IT isn't a thing. Period. It may have had a pedigree in post WWII Europe but in today's America, it's a giant ruse.

Lots of lefties on this forum. Can anyone speak about someone they know who is "antifa" - not against fascism like we all are - but a violent leftist who takes on the label. Anyone know someone who even talks about that, like hey, I'm antifa and we like to bust heads? Anyone actually know someone like that? Where are they?

To the right, Antifa is anyone who protests from the liberal side of the isle basically. Show them a demonstration/protest march and they’ll say it’s antifa. It’s a big scary word like “socialism” to them.
 

Vic

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Sure, but in 2020 America "anti-fascist" as a label is virtually meaningless. Almost everyone in the country at least claims they are against fascism. Even the vast majority of republicans do.

"Antifa" has no group names, no physical addresses, no one ever identified as a leader, even on a local level, and no death count to its name. IT isn't a thing. Period. It may have had a pedigree in post WWII Europe but in today's America, it's a giant ruse.

Lots of lefties on this forum. Can anyone speak about someone they know who is "antifa" - not against fascism like we all are - but a violent leftist who takes on the label. Anyone know someone who even talks about that, like hey, I'm antifa and we like to bust heads? Anyone actually know someone like that? Where are they?

I don't know and have never met anyone like that, but I'm sure there's a few whackjobs out there. But as the incident in the OP shows, the violent right is very real, and in large numbers, and that 'giant ruse' is a motivator for their violence. Hundreds of them loaded up their guns and drove long distances with the intent of killing people for their speech. And when they got there and didn't find what they were looking for, they almost killed an innocent bystander because they didn't like his shirt.
 
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It's anyone that opposes fascism. Like any group, this includes a few people that do stupid things while claiming to represent antifa. This is enough to convince morons to dismiss the whole group, while simultaneously crying about people who want to reform the entire law enforcement system simply because of "a few bad apples."
I dismiss the entire group because they don't want to end fascism, they just want to switch brands.
 

Vic

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I dismiss the entire group because they don't want to end fascism, they just want to switch brands.
Only one 'brand' of fascism showed up at Gettysburg yesterday. And as usual, it was the unadulterated 'brand' of fascism that believes their paranoid fantasies and conspiracy theories justify the use of violence as pre-emptive self-defense.
 

balloonshark

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It's something for the Trumptards to hate, and it's hate week every week in Trumplandia. It's like Joe McCarthy & Communists, only worse.
You have to give them something to fear. It's all they know. Nothing motivates them to vote quite like fear. The fear of Mexicans, socialism, anti-fa, taking their guns, etc. When they're in the emotional state of fear rational thinking is all but impossible.
 
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There's quite a bit more to that article. This does not appear to have been a "prank." A fraud, perhaps, but not a prank. The account posting this has a lengthy history of appearing to be "antifa" with particularly far left ideas, the very kinds of ideas maligned most by the right. And is oddly helpful to Trump, attacking Biden for being a "rapist," for example.

Notably, the investigation could not identity the person in question, as the name given to the media is fake.

The most likely scenario is that whoever posted this is in fact with the far right. It's of a piece with the Boogaloo Boys posing as antifa online, pretending to organize antifa for the BLM protests.

More than likely, whoever put out this message hoped that actual leftists would show up to burn flags and this would make the left look bad. It didn't happen, so the chuds who showed up look like they got pranked, but in fact the entire thing was all in the family.

More likely a Russian account. Be interesting to know if all it’s posts were behind a vpn.
**Im not a networking guy, I assume that is possible to know.
 

trenchfoot

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Hey who knew that anti-facism was a form of fascism? Well, as far as the hyper-hypocritical fascist right wing is concerned.

Projecting has become a form of art for the right wing because they know what they represent is the philosophy of a party that includes having to institute fascism as an existential necessity for their survival as a political entity. They can't stand on their own racist, religious zealotry as a feature of their party, yet the party has become what it attracts to itself while shunning the desire to make that known for fear of revealing that the party has become an organization of extremists bent on beating the democracy out of our system of gov't.
 
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No I don't know anyone who does, but these days we all should proudly identify as Antifa.

I suppose if everyone stood up at once and said "I am antifa/sparticus" that might do the trick. Otherwise, I'd rather just say I'm against fascism and leave it at that. I am leery about giving credence to this label. My approach is not to engage the discussion until someone produces proof that "antifa" is more than the nothingburger hoax that it appears to be.
 

Vic

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Merely delusional, mind fucked by professionals.
This particular 'mind fuck' IMO is derived from the propaganda myth that Hitler disarmed the German people, when in fact that had been done by the Weimar Republic as a condition of the Treaty of Versailles, and Hitler actually restored gun rights to much of the German people (but only to ethnic Germans, Jews and others were further disarmed) after he came to power.
But because of this myth, right wing militia types tend to view any threat to their gun rights as emblematic of fascism, even though actual fascist govts in practice tend to support gun ownership among the 'right' citizens (such as those who are considered loyal to the regime).
 
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Yeah, nothing quite demonstrates the rights' peaceful love of freedom and law and order like loading up their trucks with an arsenal of guns and driving 3 states with the intent to kill people for their speech.

And their love and respect for the American flag by bringing along their Confederate flags.
 
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UNCjigga

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“Antifa” should just rebrand to something else... who cares

Maybe “Antifu”...anti-fucktard. I don’t know if all these people are fascists (I’m talking about the people that show up to cemeteries, battlefields, pizza parlors etc. armed to the teeth and looking for a fight) but they are definitely fucktards, and they must be opposed as such.
 

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I dismiss the entire group because they don't want to end fascism, they just want to switch brands.
Oh yeah, you make an entirely balanced point that those disparate bunch of losers you wish to agregate and call Antifa are the mirror image of Il Trumpolini and the brown shirt like bozos he constantly panders to and inflames.

That's why we constantly hear of Antifa types driving cars into groups of patriots, more than once killing people.

That's why Antifa and Antifa types shoot up pizza shops, inflamed by ridiculous rumors.

And that's why you see these vids of Older Antifa Types waving their pistoles (piss toll ehs) at passing peaceful right wing protestors.

You don't seem that stupid. So why do you fall for such an obvious false equivalency, based on so little -- EEK! The Antifa! EEK! The Antifa! EEK! The Antifa! -- that you present as a smug shill for a heap of steaming bullshit.

There's almost no substance to Trump's apocalyptic ANTIFA fear mongering BULLSHIT.

There's just the smell.
 

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I find it very interesting, the guy that shows up at Gettysburg to stop someone from burning the flag wearing a confederate flag shirt.

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woolfe9998

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All I know is I never heard of Antifa until 2015ish and I’ve never met anyone who claims to be an Antifa member and I’ve never seen an Antifa protest in person.

I bet you don't know anyone who claims to know one either. I bet it's also the same for everyone else here. You know, sometimes I get this feeling that an Antifa is right around the corner, then poof, it turns up shadows and wind, again.

All that really needs to happen is for people on the left to engage this and start defending "them." But "they" aren't as violent as the white supremacists, right? "They" haven't killed as many people, right? "They" may be violent, but they're fighting for a good cause, right? You don't have to worry about "them" as long as you aren't a fascist! I agree with "their" message but I disagree with their tactics! Etc.

Then we have a point and counter-point, false equivalency of left and right wing violence which simply doesn't exist in reality. That is the entire point of "Antifa."
 
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So if Antifa stands for anti fascism and these militia groups were going to meet them and stop them, doesn’t that make them fascist?
Everybody is on the same side, the right side, the side that believes in good. The only difference is in what they believe the good is and how deeply they are motivated to believe it, how important it is to their ego affirmation that what they believe the good is can be open to questioning. The fanatical believer is he whose opinions if questioned would induce existential terror, the explosive reliving of how that need to be certainty was implanted In the past. Certainty is the outer face of inner terror. The good, the joy of being we seek to return to, our original state of unity from which we have cast ourselves out, can only be had again by dying to what we were taught. There is no good or evil. There is only the resurrection of going home. The hero’s journey is by way of the underworld and the hounds of hell stand guard at the gate. Those hounds are our own self congratulatory assumption of what reality is.

“Isn’t that true my precious, one and only ring to bind us all!”
 
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dank69

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I suppose if everyone stood up at once and said "I am antifa/sparticus" that might do the trick. Otherwise, I'd rather just say I'm against fascism and leave it at that. I am leery about giving credence to this label. My approach is not to engage the discussion until someone produces proof that "antifa" is more than the nothingburger hoax that it appears to be.
I think it is just another thing like anonymous. In fact, it seems almost indistinguishable from anonymous to me, except for the obvious physical vs virtual domains.
 

Jhhnn

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Oh yeah, you make an entirely balanced point that those disparate bunch of losers you wish to agregate and call Antifa are the mirror image of Il Trumpolini and the brown shirt like bozos he constantly panders to and inflames.

That's why we constantly hear of Antifa types driving cars into groups of patriots, more than once killing people.

That's why Antifa and Antifa types shoot up pizza shops, inflamed by ridiculous rumors.

And that's why you see these vids of Older Antifa Types waving their pistoles (piss toll ehs) at passing peaceful right wing protestors.

You don't seem that stupid. So why do you fall for such an obvious false equivalency, based on so little -- EEK! The Antifa! EEK! The Antifa! EEK! The Antifa! -- that you present as a smug shill for a heap of steaming bullshit.

There's almost no substance to Trump's apocalyptic ANTIFA fear mongering BULLSHIT.

There's just the smell.

Yeh, but they crave somebody to hate & fear, even if it's a mostly imaginary somebody. Maybe it's better that way. They can't kill people who don't exist. It's a snipe hunt of sorts.