Anti-War Movement Plan

[Red Dawn]

do? I may have lost my temper a few times, but my anger is directed toward you government and its supporters

You've gone beyond directing your tirades against our government of a few Richard Craniums. OK, you might not hate us but after reading those posts where you have said that you wished for American to fall how are we supposed to know you don't mean that? You never have as positive thing to say about The U.S. and it's citizens. Anyways, you are right, I don't speak fopr all Americans but I'm willing to bet that most here think you are vehemently against anything U.S. and you only have yourself to blame for that.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: ebloom

Originally posted by: hagbard

Here it is in a nutshell....MYOFB. Do that, and you won't give terrorists a reason to line their sights up on you.

And get accused of being an isolationist? Heavens forbid!

Everyone being alive and not wanting to live under the Islamofascists boot is the excuse for the scumbags to kill everyone. :disgust:

*I* said that, and Hagbard didn't even have the guts to respond.

Respond to what? Rehash what I've already said?

Anyway, you've got to give al-Qaeda credit for at least being honest - they've never attempted to hide their agenda.

Unlike the Bush administration that hids its agenda?

In numerous statements, they've been quite clear that their goal is an Islamic World Order in which you're either Muslim, or you're dead. The West as we know it, to include such institutions as the democratic vote, equality of the sexes, freedom of speech, religion, etc., will cease to exist.

So why give them ammo? That's exactly what will result from aggressively invading their countries, more hostility, more violence in return. Anyone who dares to disagree with the US is labelled "surrender monkeys" or "Soviet Kanukistan", etc. by the neo-conservative hawks that are driving this war.

If I were such an enemy of the US, I'd applaud war parties efforts because I believe they would result in violent retaliation many times the intensity of 9/11.

EDIT:

From al-Qaeda's statement "Why We Fight America":

America is the head of heresy in our modern world, and it leads an infidel democratic regime that is based upon separation of religion and state and on ruling the people by the people via legislating laws that contradict the way of Allah and permit what Allah has prohibited.

You left out this bit:

Why is the world surprised?! Why were millions of people astounded by what happened to America on September 11? Did the world think that anything else would happen? That something less than this would happen?!"

What happened to America is something natural, an expected event for a country that uses terror, arrogant policy, and suppression against the nations and the peoples, and imposes a single method, thought, and way of life, as if the people of the entire world are clerks in its government offices and employed by its commercial companies and institutions.

Anyone who was surprised, and did not expect [the events of September 11] did not [understand] the nature of man, and the effects of oppression and tyranny on man's emotions and feelings. They thought that oppression begets surrender, that repression begets silence, that tyranny only leaves humiliation. Perhaps they also thought that this [oppressive] atmosphere is sufficient to kill man's virility, shatter his will, and uproot his honor. These people erred twice: once when they ignored [the consequences of] treating man with contempt, and again when they were unaware of man's ability to triumph.

Is Bush trying to prove bin Laden's point?

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

do? I may have lost my temper a few times, but my anger is directed toward you government and its supporters

You've gone beyond directing your tirades against our government of a few Richard Craniums. OK, you might not hate us but after reading those posts where you have said that you wished for American to fall how are we supposed to know you don't mean that?

If the United States becomes the world government, I damn well do hope it falls. Maybe it will get it right the next time around by learning from its past mistakes. The United States has had noble ideals from the beginning, but they're never been realized, and at times like this, they're lost and replaced with dreams of empire building. It is the US Empire who's downfall I would welcome, not the United States of the idealistic (yet imperfect) Jefferson.

You never have as positive thing to say about The U.S. and it's citizens.

I do all the time, you're just not looking. Though you're partly right, I'm not as positive about the US as I once was. Then I was overly optimistic and willing to ignore the blemishes. I'm not as generous anymore.

Anyways, you are right, I don't speak fopr all Americans but I'm willing to bet that most here think you are vehemently against anything U.S. and you only have yourself to blame for that.

People are free to believe what they want (until Patriot Act III is passed, anyway). I can't help what people what to read into what I say, or don't follow a thread from beginning to end to see what I say in context. I could make you out to be anti-American by reading your posts out of context as well. Tread carefully.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Respond to what? Rehash what I've already said?

In numerous statements, they've been quite clear that their goal is an Islamic World Order in which you're either Muslim, or you're dead. The West as we know it, to include such institutions as the democratic vote, equality of the sexes, freedom of speech, religion, etc., will cease to exist.

So why give them ammo? That's exactly what will result from aggressively invading their countries, more hostility, more violence in return. Anyone who dares to disagree with the US is labelled "surrender monkeys" or "Soviet Kanukistan", etc. by the neo-conservative hawks that are driving this war.

You suggest that al-Qaeda would leave the U.S. alone if we left them alone, and they're only attacking us because we're provoking them; I disagree. They've been quite clear that they seek to establish a Muslim theocracy over the entire earth. Show me anywhere that al-Qaeda has promised to cease violence/terrorism if the U.S. withdraws from the Middle East. Regardless of what we do to them, they wish to kill us.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Well I doubt that in our lifetimes we will have any World Government. I think that's a little paranoid. Of course it may just be the Bush Chip that's been implanted in my brain by those Illuminati guys that have been wandering around in my bedroom while I sleep. I have a feeling its the FoxNews beam that's stimulating it and forcing me to repeat "Bush=good, Bush=good, Bush=good." Patriot=good

I'm glad you've picked through the US very well Hagbard, but I'm just afraid you'll never be happy, ah well. You'll get your weed someday. GO USA!

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: hagbard

Respond to what? Rehash what I've already said?

In numerous statements, they've been quite clear that their goal is an Islamic World Order in which you're either Muslim, or you're dead. The West as we know it, to include such institutions as the democratic vote, equality of the sexes, freedom of speech, religion, etc., will cease to exist.

So why give them ammo? That's exactly what will result from aggressively invading their countries, more hostility, more violence in return. Anyone who dares to disagree with the US is labelled "surrender monkeys" or "Soviet Kanukistan", etc. by the neo-conservative hawks that are driving this war.

You suggest that al-Qaeda would leave the U.S. alone if we left them alone, and they're only attacking us because we're provoking them;

No, but you're helping their cause by doing exactly what bin Laden claims American's do.

I disagree. They've been quite clear that they seek to establish a Muslim theocracy over the entire earth. Show me anywhere that al-Qaeda has promised to cease violence/terrorism if the U.S. withdraws from the Middle East. Regardless of what we do to them, they wish to kill us.

What they wish, and what they can achieve are two different things. If the US pushes it, they'll wind up with a real threat of hundreds if not thousands of bin Ladens all looking to take revenge against the United States. Just look at your history in that part of the world, the more the US interfers the more resentment and more terrorists. Bin Laden is just the Arab flavour of last year. Who knows who will take his place in 2004. Maybe it won't even be someone from the middle east, perhaps it will be some French cheese eating surrender money, or a Columbian guerilla, or a Somalian....

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: hagbard

Respond to what? Rehash what I've already said?

In numerous statements, they've been quite clear that their goal is an Islamic World Order in which you're either Muslim, or you're dead. The West as we know it, to include such institutions as the democratic vote, equality of the sexes, freedom of speech, religion, etc., will cease to exist.

So why give them ammo? That's exactly what will result from aggressively invading their countries, more hostility, more violence in return. Anyone who dares to disagree with the US is labelled "surrender monkeys" or "Soviet Kanukistan", etc. by the neo-conservative hawks that are driving this war.

You suggest that al-Qaeda would leave the U.S. alone if we left them alone, and they're only attacking us because we're provoking them;

No, but you're helping their cause by doing exactly what bin Laden claims American's do.

I disagree. They've been quite clear that they seek to establish a Muslim theocracy over the entire earth. Show me anywhere that al-Qaeda has promised to cease violence/terrorism if the U.S. withdraws from the Middle East. Regardless of what we do to them, they wish to kill us.

What they wish, and what they can achieve are two different things. If the US pushes it, they'll wind up with a real threat of hundreds if not thousands of bin Ladens all looking to take revenge against the United States. Just look at your history in that part of the world, the more the US interfers the more resentment and more terrorists. Bin Laden is just the Arab flavour of last year. Who knows who will take his place in 2004. Maybe it won't even be someone from the middle east, perhaps it will be some French cheese eating surrender money, or a Columbian guerilla, or a Somalian....

We should put our babes in bhurkas and bend over to bin laden and do whatever he decrees is Allah's way. I'll take the spread of the US empire over the organized beating of my mother for showing her ankles, ANYDAY. Its one thing to want us to stay out of the mid-east, but its a whole other thing to surrender to bin laden because we might make more of them angry. That's asking FAR too much. Bin Laden wants a lot more than just to see us get out of the Middle East. That might be step one, but that's not going to stop him from committing terrorist acts against our country and that's not going to stop more terrorists from taking his place. He's got to be dealt with. For all of our safety, yes even yours too.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: hagbard

Respond to what? Rehash what I've already said?

In numerous statements, they've been quite clear that their goal is an Islamic World Order in which you're either Muslim, or you're dead. The West as we know it, to include such institutions as the democratic vote, equality of the sexes, freedom of speech, religion, etc., will cease to exist.

So why give them ammo? That's exactly what will result from aggressively invading their countries, more hostility, more violence in return. Anyone who dares to disagree with the US is labelled "surrender monkeys" or "Soviet Kanukistan", etc. by the neo-conservative hawks that are driving this war.

You suggest that al-Qaeda would leave the U.S. alone if we left them alone, and they're only attacking us because we're provoking them;

No, but you're helping their cause by doing exactly what bin Laden claims American's do.

I disagree. They've been quite clear that they seek to establish a Muslim theocracy over the entire earth. Show me anywhere that al-Qaeda has promised to cease violence/terrorism if the U.S. withdraws from the Middle East. Regardless of what we do to them, they wish to kill us.

What they wish, and what they can achieve are two different things. If the US pushes it, they'll wind up with a real threat of hundreds if not thousands of bin Ladens all looking to take revenge against the United States. Just look at your history in that part of the world, the more the US interfers the more resentment and more terrorists. Bin Laden is just the Arab flavour of last year. Who knows who will take his place in 2004. Maybe it won't even be someone from the middle east, perhaps it will be some French cheese eating surrender money, or a Columbian guerilla, or a Somalian....

We should put our babes in bhurkas and bend over to bin laden and do whatever he decrees is Allah's way. I'll take the spread of the US empire over the organized beating of my mother for showing her ankles, ANYDAY. Its one thing to want us to stay out of the mid-east, but its a whole other thing to surrender to bin laden because we might make more of them angry. That's asking FAR too much. Bin Laden wants a lot more than just to see us get out of the Middle East. That might be step one, but that's not going to stop him from committing terrorist acts against our country and that's not going to stop more terrorists from taking his place. He's got to be dealt with. For all of our safety, yes even yours too.

So, you're going after bin Laden by attacking Saddam...great plan.