Anti-Gun nutters arrest student for NRA tee shirt

[UberNeuman]

Well given that your profile has you regularly refreshing the thread (I'm bored and you've peaked my curiosity) I presume you're expecting something. Reported me to the mods? Last I checked making fun of people's irrationality wasn't against the forum rules.

In any case, I'll assume you're trolling for now. You do have an intermittant track record of that.

Sweetie, Message received.... As for going to the Mods - I've only gone once to them for the fucking derailment in the Boston attack thread....

Please, continue...

 

[irishScott]

Sweetie, Message received.... As for going to the Mods - I've only gone once to them for the fucking derailment in the Boston attack thread....

Please, continue...

Yep.

 

[BoberFett]

I'd say the agenda isn't hidden at all.....

AFRWDQ.

Another Fucking Right Wing Drama Queen.

Using the word queen as a slur? That's awfully sexist of you. Is that part of your war against women?

 

[UberNeuman]

Using the word queen as a slur? That's awfully sexist of you. Is that part of your war against women?

My war on women is getting them to date me and to then disappoint them...

\ha! take that you wimmens!
\\have a crazy bitch come to the place you work and go atom-bomb..
\\\not fun. not fun. at. all...
\\\\as for "queen" - you're reaching and you know it...

 

[monovillage]

It's amazing how the corporate/government brainwashing has resulted in fools who don't know or want to know the history of their hard fought rights and are so willing to bend over today,

If politically correct people like yourselves were back in the 60's the Vietnam war and draft would probably still be going on.

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/tinker.html

"Quote:
Tinker v. Des Moines
Independent Community School District


No. 21 SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
393 U.S. 503
Argued November 12, 1968
Decided February 24, 1969

Syllabus Petitioners, three public school pupils in Des Moines, Iowa, were suspended from school for wearing black armbands to protest the Government's policy in Vietnam. They sought nominal damages and an injunction against a regulation that the respondents had promulgated banning the wearing of armbands. The District Court dismissed the complaint on the ground that the regulation was within the Board's power, despite the absence of any finding of substantial interference with the conduct of school activities. The Court of Appeals, sitting en banc, affirmed by an equally divided court. Held:


1. In wearing armbands, the petitioners were quiet and passive. They were not disruptive and did not impinge upon the rights of others. In these circumstances, their conduct was within the protection of the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment and the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth. Pp. 505-506.

2. First Amendment rights are available to teachers and students, subject to application in light of the special characteristics of the school environment. Pp. 506-507.

3. A prohibition against expression of opinion, without any evidence that the rule is necessary to avoid substantial interference with school discipline or the rights of others, is not permissible under the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Pp. 507-514."
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Pretty much says it all about our "liberal/progressive" authoritarian posters. They hate free speech, free expression and are intolerant of any opposing views. Intolerant to a point they try to derail threads and accuse anyone that dares to disagree with them of some type of crime.

 

[UberNeuman]

Pretty much says it all about our "liberal/progressive" authoritarian posters. They hate free speech, free expression and are intolerant of any opposing views. Intolerant to a point they try to derail threads and accuse anyone that dares to disagree with them of some type of crime.

You're expressing your opinion now.... Deal with the fact that everyone isn't going to agree to it...

 

[monovillage]

You're expressing your opinion now.... Deal with the fact that everyone isn't going to agree to it...

We all got em'.

 

[PokerGuy]

Hey, any kid who dares have something on a shirt that goes against the lib dogma needs to be punished, arrested and made an example of. More leftist "tolerance" in action.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Predictably, the OP appears to be a lie. I dug through several articles about this. It appears the kid was stopped in the cafeteria and told to either change or reverse his shirt. He refused and was sent to the office. He continued to defy school officials and be disruptive. They called the police. When the officer arrived, he told the kid to sit down and be quiet. The kid still refused and was arrested for obstruction.

In short, if that version of the story is accurate, the kid was arrested not for the shirt, but because he's a jackass.

Unfortunately, confirming the whole story may be difficult. The school likely has a policy against discussing such incidents to protect students' privacy. The police are likely limited because he's a juvenile. That leaves the kid and his family who are highly motivated to twist the story to serve their agenda. All that said, it does look like the school may have violated their own policy in demanding he remove the shirt. It's hard to know without knowing their side of the story.

According to a Washington Times report his shirt wasn't on the taboo list. IF that is true and there isn't another regulation prohibiting him from wearing it then what?

 

[Smoblikat]

Yeah, I'm sure a student won't be questioned for wearing a shirt with "Jihad by Al Qaeda" on it. The NRA is a suspect group and its supporters might well need to be investigated, especially a child who may be indoctrinated in violence.

Personally I think both are acceptable. I might even go so far as to say that wearing the T shirt gives the pigs probable cause to search the jihad student for bombs and the NRA student for guns. But once it is found that they pose no threat it should then go to the school regulations to see if the shirt breaks any rules. Lets not forget...........when you are in school you lose your rights, it is not a "truly" public place, it is publicly funded but run privatley. If this student was out on the street they would have the protection of the first amendment, but in school you forfeit your rights and are now part of "en loco parenta" or whatever it is, basically it means that on school grounds the school officials take over the parenting for the duration of your stay until you go home. I am a libertarian..........but I am also a man of the truth. The truth of the matter is that you have no rights at school.

 

[Bowfinger]

According to a Washington Times report his shirt wasn't on the taboo list. IF that is true and there isn't another regulation prohibiting him from wearing it then what?

Yes, thus the last two sentences in my original post. It's NOT why he was arrested, though there is a valid question as to why he was approached in the first place.

 

[shortylickens]

Anti-gun nutter?

So, are they pro gun or anti gun or anti nutter?


With regards to the article: It didnt disrupt the education process until she made a fuss over it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Pretty much says it all about our "liberal/progressive" authoritarian posters. They hate free speech, free expression and are intolerant of any opposing views. Intolerant to a point they try to derail threads and accuse anyone that dares to disagree with them of some type of crime.

Whereas you remain a hypocritical drama queen and compulsive liar, incapable of addressing any topic without ridiculous, infantile, and thoroughly dishonest attacks against "liberal/progressives". Take a Midol, princess, then see a surgeon to see about removing that chip from your shoulder (or maybe your cranium from your rectum).

 

[NesuD]

Predictably, the OP appears to be a lie. I dug through several articles about this. It appears the kid was stopped in the cafeteria and told to either change or reverse his shirt. He refused and was sent to the office. He continued to defy school officials and be disruptive. They called the police. When the officer arrived, he told the kid to sit down and be quiet. The kid still refused and was arrested for obstruction.

In short, if that version of the story is accurate, the kid was arrested not for the shirt, but because he's a jackass.

Unfortunately, confirming the whole story may be difficult. The school likely has a policy against discussing such incidents to protect students' privacy. The police are likely limited because he's a juvenile. That leaves the kid and his family who are highly motivated to twist the story to serve their agenda. All that said, it does look like the school may have violated their own policy in demanding he remove the shirt. It's hard to know without knowing their side of the story.

If the information you gathered here is accurate I only see one large and glaring error on the part of the school in their handling of the incident. While I personally don't see anything particularly offensive about the t-shirt the schools policy did have the catch all clause that allows them to declare anything they want as inappropriate. If the student refused an order from a police officer than he certainly can and should be arrested for obstruction. My concern is why in that entire process the school apparently did not notify the parents before calling the police. I am pretty certain that school dress codes do not carry the force of law so why were the police brought in to deal with the situation before the parents? Was there any attempt to involve the parents first? Unless the kid was being being physically threatening I don't understand why the police would be brought in first before his parents.

Seems really badly handled by the school if you ask me.

 

[shadow9d9]

It is funny, since by definition, you can't actually have "nutters" who are anti gun. People obsessed with killing machines? Sure... People who don't want to have killing machines? Not so much... Good try at false equivalence though.. it is ALL you have!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, thus the last two sentences in my original post. It's NOT why he was arrested, though there is a valid question as to why he was approached in the first place.

I understand what you said. To clarify, if the request to demand the student to remove or reverse the shirt was improper and the arrest stemmed from that then the school could be in hot water for that. A seperate issue is that this could be headed up the courts as a first amendment issue much like the black arm bands. Potentially interesting.

 

[Bowfinger]

If the information you gathered here is accurate I only see one large and glaring error on the part of the school in their handling of the incident. While I personally don't see anything particularly offensive about the t-shirt the schools policy did have the catch all clause that allows them to declare anything they want as inappropriate. If the student refused an order from a police officer than he certainly can and should be arrested for obstruction. My concern is why in that entire process the school apparently did not notify the parents before calling the police. I am pretty certain that school dress codes do not carry the force of law so why were the police brought in to deal with the situation before the parents? Was there any attempt to involve the parents first? Unless the kid was being being physically threatening I don't understand why the police would be brought in first before his parents.

Seems really badly handled by the school if you ask me.

Agreed, good questions. Perhaps more information will come out in the next couple of days.

 

[Bowfinger]

I understand what you said. To clarify, if the request to demand the student to remove or reverse the shirt was improper and the arrest stemmed from that then the school could be in hot water for that. A seperate issue is that this could be headed up the courts as a first amendment issue much like the black arm bands. Potentially interesting.

Yes, agree with that too. It wouldn't excuse the student's alleged disruptive behavior, but the school could also be in trouble unless there was some other factor in play.

 

[sourceninja]

And to think the day after columbine I wore a shirt to school that said "Guns don't kill people, I do" and didn't get a single second look.

 

[fskimospy]

I understand what you said. To clarify, if the request to demand the student to remove or reverse the shirt was improper and the arrest stemmed from that then the school could be in hot water for that. A seperate issue is that this could be headed up the courts as a first amendment issue much like the black arm bands. Potentially interesting.

I'm sure the school has some sort of catch-all policy about shirts that they think are disruptive.

None of us were there, so we don't really know how disruptive the kid was. Generally, calling the police seems to be absurd and a poor handling of the situation. Still, the OP saying that the kid was arrested for wearing a t-shirt was, predictably, a lie.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, agree with that too. It wouldn't excuse the student's alleged disruptive behavior, but the school could also be in trouble unless there was some other factor in play.

I have no doubt he could be a complete ass. Heck I can do that.

 

[monovillage]

Whereas you remain a hypocritical drama queen and compulsive liar, incapable of addressing any topic without ridiculous, infantile, and thoroughly dishonest attacks against "liberal/progressives". Take a Midol, princess, then see a surgeon to see about removing that chip from your shoulder (or maybe your cranium from your rectum).

Look, it's another progressive troll asshole.

 

[monovillage]

It is funny, since by definition, you can't actually have "nutters" who are anti gun. People obsessed with killing machines? Sure... People who don't want to have killing machines? Not so much... Good try at false equivalence though.. it is ALL you have!

Why do you hate freedom of speech and expression in a school? What do you fear about political ideas that disagree with yours and why is your fear so extreme you want the authorities to silence dissent?

 

[woolfe9998]

Why do you hate freedom of speech and expression in a school? What do you fear about political ideas that disagree with yours and why is your fear so extreme you want the authorities to silence dissent?

Are you sure your view of this wouldn't be different if he was a Muslim student wearing a t-shirt with a jihadi slogan on it? Be honest now.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Look, it's another progressive troll asshole.

You have no room to call any other human being on earth either a troll or an asshole.