Anti 2nd Amendment People - Why are you anti?

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

As long as we have leaders, we need guns to remove them.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

Aren't you Canadian? 😕

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: ICRS
I am not against the 2nd amendments but I think (know) we need more gun restrictions.

1. We need to year 24 month mental evaluations to make sure people who own guns are of sound mind.
2. We need to do a full scale background check to make so no one with a criminal record gets a gun.
3. No assault weapons should be permitted.
4. The sale of bullets should also be regulated, their should be a limit on how much you can purchase in any given year.
5. Guns should be manufactured solely by government and manufacturing of guns should be punished by life in prison.
6. Owning gun without being licensed should be punished by life in prison.
7. People who own guns should be required to go through training and education every 6 months.
8. There should be random inspections of people who own guns (5% of people each year) to ensure they are complaint with rules.

1. Sure, as long as the same applies to cars.
2. Criminal record? Or felony record?
3. Define assault weapon.
4. Smart move, limiting people's ability to practice using their weapons. It only takes one bullet to kill someone, you know. I've fired thousands, and have never killed a single person. :Q
5. Holy shit.
6. I don't object to prosecuting gun crimes severely; not going to deal with requiring a license to own a gun.
7. You must be really stupid if you forget things after 6 months. How often do you have to take a driving test?
8. Yeah, let's throw out the rest of the constitution for the hell of it.

Like all of your posts, this one is steeped in stupidity.

Most people who commit gun crimes obtain their guns outside of the legal process. You want to punish the people who follow the law.

Well said.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: ICRS

Originally posted by: DeliciousTacos

Originally posted by: ICRS
I am not against the 2nd amendments but I think (know) we need more gun restrictions.

1. We need to year 24 month mental evaluations to make sure people who own guns are of sound mind.
2. We need to do a full scale background check to make so no one with a criminal record gets a gun.
3. No assault weapons should be permitted.
4. The sale of bullets should also be regulated, their should be a limit on how much you can purchase in any given year.
5. Guns should be manufactured solely by government and manufacturing of guns should be punished by life in prison.
6. Owning gun without being licensed should be punished by life in prison.
7. People who own guns should be required to go through training and education every 6 months.
8. There should be random inspections of people who own guns (5% of people each year) to ensure they are complaint with rules.

Wow, totalitarian much?

What you call totalitarian I call progressive.

What you call progressive I call ridiculous. Half of your points would unfairly punish responsible, mentally-sound and law-abiding gun owners. Also, guns should only be manufactured by the government? Are you serious? That's the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard.

His points would be a beaurocratic nightmare.

 

[MercenaryYoureFired]

I don't necessarily like the 2nd Amendment because I feel it doesn't belong with our current culture. As time passes the need for change arises, especially concerning something like this. The availability of firearms today in the US is pretty absurd; and I highly doubt the very smart people who wrote the Amendments were expecting the firearm industry to be where it's at today.

I also hate the fact that if you're in possession of a gun it gives you absolute power over everyone without one. This isn't a bad thing until you realize the ease of getting one, moreover thinking about some of the people who have/had access to this kind of power is disturbing, and why it's such a big problem here.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

But see, it still does apply today.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Sure it's been addressed in other ways, but if you feel that it's unnecessary to have guns because the government will protect you, you need a reality check. You put too much faith in your leaders and establishment.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

It's not "fear", it's simply good sense. Lethal Weapons are made to be...Lethal. Any society which takes Lethal Weapons lightly is going to fulfill their function more often.

The Responsibility the Amendment infers has been completely removed from Contemporary attitudes towards Gun Ownership. It is now all about Entitlement and that's what makes it dangerous.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

As long as we have leaders, we need guns to remove them.

So in January you'll be arriving at the WH to escort Bush from Office??

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

Aren't you Canadian? 😕

Yes. Your point?

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

As long as we have leaders, we need guns to remove them.

So in January you'll be arriving at the WH to escort Bush from Office??

If he were to declare marshall law and stay in office, how would you remove him?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

But see, it still does apply today.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Sure it's been addressed in other ways, but if you feel that it's unnecessary to have guns because the government will protect you, you need a reality check. You put too much faith in your leaders and establishment.

When the Amendment was made, there was no Standing Army to Defend the US. National Defense was the responsibility of Citizen Militias.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: ICRS
I am not against the 2nd amendments but I think (know) we need more gun restrictions.

1. We need to require mental evaluations every 24 months to make sure people who own guns are of sound mind.
2. We need to do a full scale background check to make so no one with a criminal record gets a gun.
3. No assault weapons should be permitted.
4. The sale of bullets should also be regulated, their should be a limit on how much you can purchase in any given year.
5. Guns should be manufactured solely by government and manufacturing of guns should be punished by life in prison.
6. Owning gun without being licensed should be punished by life in prison.
7. People who own guns should be required to go through training and education every 6 months.
8. There should be random inspections of people who own guns (5% of people each year) to ensure they are complaint with rules.

1. Who picks up the tab for the testing of 80+ million people every 2 years?
2. Already exists.
3. Assault weapons are heavily regulated as it is. $200 tax stamp plus extensive background check, on top of prices that keep 99.9% of gun owners from being able to purchase one.
4.Why? How many? who pays to maintain the data base? Does this include reloaders?
5. Hi socialism/communism.
6. Why not a death sentence? Kill them with their own gun.
7. I refuse to comment on the idiocy of this point.
8.So in essence it would take 20 years to check all the people that own guns now, and as more people buy guns the further behind they will get.

Why do you propose such stringent regulation of a Constitutional Right? Do you also propose that old people should be tested every 6 month to determine if they are still capable of driving? Anyone caught without a drivers license should be put away for life? All cars should be made by the government? More people and CHILDREN (oh noes) are killed in auto accidents than by guns every year. Ban cars before you ban guns.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

As long as we have leaders, we need guns to remove them.

So in January you'll be arriving at the WH to escort Bush from Office??

If he were to declare marshall law and stay in office, how would you remove him?

Is this a common problem?

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

Aren't you Canadian? 😕

Yes. Your point?

Why are you against one of our laws then? Why do you care?

 

[Away]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

It's not "fear", it's simply good sense. Lethal Weapons are made to be...Lethal. Any society which takes Lethal Weapons lightly is going to fulfill their function more often.

The Responsibility the Amendment infers has been completely removed from Contemporary attitudes towards Gun Ownership. It is now all about Entitlement and that's what makes it dangerous.

So you welcome the government taking total control over you?

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

As long as we have leaders, we need guns to remove them.

So in January you'll be arriving at the WH to escort Bush from Office??

You're missing the point. If and when shit hits the fan, I for one am definitely not going to just sit on my ass, unarmed, while some guy with all the power dicks us all over, all because someone thinks that guns are unnecessary.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Away

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

It's not "fear", it's simply good sense. Lethal Weapons are made to be...Lethal. Any society which takes Lethal Weapons lightly is going to fulfill their function more often.

The Responsibility the Amendment infers has been completely removed from Contemporary attitudes towards Gun Ownership. It is now all about Entitlement and that's what makes it dangerous.

So you welcome the government taking total control over you?

Is this a common problem?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: MercenaryYoureFired
I don't necessarily like the 2nd Amendment because I feel it doesn't belong with our current culture. As time passes the need for change arises, especially concerning something like this. The availability of firearms today in the US is pretty absurd; and I highly doubt the very smart people who wrote the Amendments were expecting the firearm industry to be where it's at today.

I also hate the fact that if you're in possession of a gun it gives you absolute power over everyone without one. This isn't a bad thing until you realize the ease of getting one, moreover thinking about some of the people who have/had access to this kind of power is disturbing, and why it's such a big problem here.

Believe it or not, but a higher percentage of Americans owned guns when the Constitution was written.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

As long as we have leaders, we need guns to remove them.

So in January you'll be arriving at the WH to escort Bush from Office??

You're missing the point. If and when shit hits the fan, I for one am definitely not going to just sit on my ass, unarmed, while some guy with all the power dicks us all over, all because someone thinks that guns are unnecessary.

That's nice, but why all the angst about something that rarely happens and something that hasn't happened once in your entire History? It is a Strawman.

 

[her209]

How does one protect themselves from a stray bullet?

 

[adairusmc]

I need mine for voting.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yes, but one major argument is history. When arms are taken away from the citizens, its very easy for a tyrant to step in.

I think what helps our nation prevent that is the number of independent militias we have. :thumbsup:

This is a common argument, but has little to no Historical basis until well after the Amendment was introduced(Nazi Germany is often cited, yet was over a Century after the Amendment). The idea behind the Amendment was completely different than what it has become. Most of the issues which caused it to exist have since been addressed in other ways. A Standing Military, Police, National Guard, etc.

As long as we have leaders, we need guns to remove them.

So in January you'll be arriving at the WH to escort Bush from Office??

You're missing the point. If and when shit hits the fan, I for one am definitely not going to just sit on my ass, unarmed, while some guy with all the power dicks us all over, all because someone thinks that guns are unnecessary.

That's nice, but why all the angst about something that rarely happens and something that hasn't happened once in your entire History? It is a Strawman.

Again, you're missing the point. I'm not saying it's likely to happen anytime soon, or any time in my lifetime for that matter. However, should the situation arise I would like to be armed and prepared to defend myself, my family and my country for freedom.

 

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Yep and the old argument 'its for protection' is bullshit. When you cannot even have it loaded in your car and what not.

Yes maybe its a nice toy as the OP pointed out. He has fun playing with it but as he also pointed out. When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Go cry you assholes when your 8 year blows off his head.

 

[Away]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Away

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

It's not "fear", it's simply good sense. Lethal Weapons are made to be...Lethal. Any society which takes Lethal Weapons lightly is going to fulfill their function more often.

The Responsibility the Amendment infers has been completely removed from Contemporary attitudes towards Gun Ownership. It is now all about Entitlement and that's what makes it dangerous.

So you welcome the government taking total control over you?

Is this a common problem?

That is why it isn't a problem.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ownership of Lethal Weapons should not be a Right. There's no reason for such a thing in this day and age and it just ferments a culture of violence.

They said that in Germany and Russia in the 1930's