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KeypoX

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Aug 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

Do you know what "usually" means? Probably not, because you started that post with "even know." That right there is proof that your command of the English language is somewhere around the fourth grade level. To prove "usually" you need to post statistics, not one incident.

So miss english no it all. Post some arguments for owning a gun, not grammar critiques.
 

Kirby

Lifer
Apr 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

Do you know what "usually" means? Probably not, because you started that post with "even know." That right there is proof that your command of the English language is somewhere around the fourth grade level. To prove "usually" you need to post statistics, not one incident.

So miss english no it all. Post some arguments for owning a gun, not grammar critiques.

2ND AMENDMENT.
NATURAL RIGHT.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

Do you know what "usually" means? Probably not, because you started that post with "even know." That right there is proof that your command of the English language is somewhere around the fourth grade level. To prove "usually" you need to post statistics, not one incident.

So miss english no it all. Post some arguments for owning a gun, not grammar critiques.

Here in the land of the free you need a reason to take away a right, not to protect one.
 

Away

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May 1, 2005
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Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

Do you know what "usually" means? Probably not, because you started that post with "even know." That right there is proof that your command of the English language is somewhere around the fourth grade level. To prove "usually" you need to post statistics, not one incident.

So miss english no it all. Post some arguments for owning a gun, not grammar critiques.

Hunting and self defense are a good place to start.
 

adairusmc

Diamond Member
Jul 24, 2006
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Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

Do you know what "usually" means? Probably not, because you started that post with "even know." That right there is proof that your command of the English language is somewhere around the fourth grade level. To prove "usually" you need to post statistics, not one incident.

So miss english no it all. Post some arguments for owning a gun, not grammar critiques.

2ND AMENDMENT.
NATURAL RIGHT.

:thumbsup:

The only argument for owning a gun you will ever need.

I don't own any guns anymore though, I lost all of mine in a tragic boating accident.
 

KeypoX

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Aug 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

There are also hundreds of cases of idiot drivers who back over their children every year too, usually pulling out of their garages or driveways. Would you argue then that we should ban cars? Or is that not an argument for better driver safety education?

How about ban idiot people from driving. Also where is your source on that? I do believe that has happen but not as frequent as shootings.

We already require drivers licenses and vehicle registration. What more do you want?

And we're not talking about just any 'shootings,' your linked example was an accidental shooting of 5 year-old. Don't straw man.

No shit im not talking about any shootings. Im talking about accidental caused by dumbass's that own guns.

That is a valid argument about not owning guns... but i have yet to read anything related about owning guns with any validity.

And i thought this post was to post why are you anit? Not why are you anti so i can tell you why your wrong.

 
Aug 23, 2000
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: MercenaryYoureFired
I don't necessarily like the 2nd Amendment because I feel it doesn't belong with our current culture. As time passes the need for change arises, especially concerning something like this. The availability of firearms today in the US is pretty absurd; and I highly doubt the very smart people who wrote the Amendments were expecting the firearm industry to be where it's at today.

I also hate the fact that if you're in possession of a gun it gives you absolute power over everyone without one. This isn't a bad thing until you realize the ease of getting one, moreover thinking about some of the people who have/had access to this kind of power is disturbing, and why it's such a big problem here.

Believe it or not, but a higher percentage of Americans owned guns when the Constitution was written.

Times were very different. Wild Animals were common, you never knew if a rival European power was going to land causing problems(although this wasn't terribly often, but Britain and France were always at war or close to it), there simply were no Police in most places, Military Forces were often days away.

So I'm supposed to rely on the police to protect me? The average police to civilian rate in the US is something like 1 officer per 10,000 civilians. The average 911 response time in my city, Dallas TX is 15-18 minutes.
And lastly, there is no mandate or law requiring a police officer to take a bullet for you.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

There are also hundreds of cases of idiot drivers who back over their children every year too, usually pulling out of their garages or driveways. Would you argue then that we should ban cars? Or is that not an argument for better driver safety education?

I heard of a kid who drowned in a bathtub. Ban bathing! Think of the children!

Yes ban everything that kills, like time. Ban time.

While i am not even anti 2nd i do think there is a reason for anyone to own a gun. And none of you people have anything near a logical argument.

Maybe you believe that the government will take over if you don't have your gun locked in a box. But that is not logical.

Ah, you haven't presented any logical arguments but you demand them from us. Got it. ;)

I'll humor you. The reason not to ban guns is because a ban doesn't actually ban them. The only thing that happens is that normal citizens, you and I, won't be allowed to own and carry them, but govt officials and the bodyguards of the rich still will, like nothing happened. Hardly a democratic situation, eh? In the meantime, there will still be an industry to supply those guns, and a corresponding black market to go with it, funneling guns into criminal hands, etc. And what was your reason for wanting guns banned? Oh yes, to curtail gun crime. But what will happen? You and I and every other normal person will be disarmed, but govt and the criminals will be just as armed as ever.

So... what was accomplished? Answer: nothing good.

edit: oh, except your 5 year-old will get killed by an illegal gun, which everyone will have just like some ridiculous percentage of homes in this country have illegal drugs in them.

 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

Do you know what "usually" means? Probably not, because you started that post with "even know." That right there is proof that your command of the English language is somewhere around the fourth grade level. To prove "usually" you need to post statistics, not one incident.

So miss english no it all. Post some arguments for owning a gun, not grammar critiques.

2ND AMENDMENT.
NATURAL RIGHT.

That's not really a reason.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: MercenaryYoureFired
I don't necessarily like the 2nd Amendment because I feel it doesn't belong with our current culture. As time passes the need for change arises, especially concerning something like this. The availability of firearms today in the US is pretty absurd; and I highly doubt the very smart people who wrote the Amendments were expecting the firearm industry to be where it's at today.

I also hate the fact that if you're in possession of a gun it gives you absolute power over everyone without one. This isn't a bad thing until you realize the ease of getting one, moreover thinking about some of the people who have/had access to this kind of power is disturbing, and why it's such a big problem here.

Believe it or not, but a higher percentage of Americans owned guns when the Constitution was written.

Times were very different. Wild Animals were common, you never knew if a rival European power was going to land causing problems(although this wasn't terribly often, but Britain and France were always at war or close to it), there simply were no Police in most places, Military Forces were often days away.

So I'm supposed to rely on the police to protect me? The average police to civilian rate in the US is something like 1 officer per 10,000 civilians. The average 911 response time in my city, Dallas TX is 15-18 minutes.
And lastly, there is no mandate or law requiring a police officer to take a bullet for you.

Yes.
 

xanis

Lifer
Sep 11, 2005
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Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

There are also hundreds of cases of idiot drivers who back over their children every year too, usually pulling out of their garages or driveways. Would you argue then that we should ban cars? Or is that not an argument for better driver safety education?

How about ban idiot people from driving. Also where is your source on that? I do believe that has happen but not as frequent as shootings.

We already require drivers licenses and vehicle registration. What more do you want?

And we're not talking about just any 'shootings,' your linked example was an accidental shooting of 5 year-old. Don't straw man.

No shit im not talking about any shootings. Im talking about accidental caused by dumbass's that own guns.

That is a valid argument about not owning guns... but i have yet to read anything related about owning guns with any validity.

And i thought this post was to post why are you anit? Not why are you anti so i can tell you why your wrong.

Dear Lord can you speak English please? And instead of continually butting heads with everyone saying that you don't see any valid arguments for owning guns, why don't you pull your head out of your ass and actually read the damned thread?

 

adairusmc

Diamond Member
Jul 24, 2006
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

Do you know what "usually" means? Probably not, because you started that post with "even know." That right there is proof that your command of the English language is somewhere around the fourth grade level. To prove "usually" you need to post statistics, not one incident.

So miss english no it all. Post some arguments for owning a gun, not grammar critiques.

2ND AMENDMENT.
NATURAL RIGHT.

That's not really a reason.

It is a right, you don't need a reason to own one. Nor under any circumstances should you ever have to demonstrate a need before buying one.
 

Kirby

Lifer
Apr 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: MercenaryYoureFired
I don't necessarily like the 2nd Amendment because I feel it doesn't belong with our current culture. As time passes the need for change arises, especially concerning something like this. The availability of firearms today in the US is pretty absurd; and I highly doubt the very smart people who wrote the Amendments were expecting the firearm industry to be where it's at today.

I also hate the fact that if you're in possession of a gun it gives you absolute power over everyone without one. This isn't a bad thing until you realize the ease of getting one, moreover thinking about some of the people who have/had access to this kind of power is disturbing, and why it's such a big problem here.

Believe it or not, but a higher percentage of Americans owned guns when the Constitution was written.

Times were very different. Wild Animals were common, you never knew if a rival European power was going to land causing problems(although this wasn't terribly often, but Britain and France were always at war or close to it), there simply were no Police in most places, Military Forces were often days away.

So I'm supposed to rely on the police to protect me? The average police to civilian rate in the US is something like 1 officer per 10,000 civilians. The average 911 response time in my city, Dallas TX is 15-18 minutes.
And lastly, there is no mandate or law requiring a police officer to take a bullet for you.

Yes.

Let me know how that works out when someone breaks into your house, rapes, and kills your family.

 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: KeypoX
When you own one you usually get in trouble with one.

Back that up.

even know this is highly unusual here with all you peoples facts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index...ed_in_kenner_acci.html

this is one recent case you can google and read about the 100's of them every year

There are also hundreds of cases of idiot drivers who back over their children every year too, usually pulling out of their garages or driveways. Would you argue then that we should ban cars? Or is that not an argument for better driver safety education?

How about ban idiot people from driving. Also where is your source on that? I do believe that has happen but not as frequent as shootings.

We already require drivers licenses and vehicle registration. What more do you want?

And we're not talking about just any 'shootings,' your linked example was an accidental shooting of 5 year-old. Don't straw man.

No shit im not talking about any shootings. Im talking about accidental caused by dumbass's that own guns.

That is a valid argument about not owning guns... but i have yet to read anything related about owning guns with any validity.

And i thought this post was to post why are you anit? Not why are you anti so i can tell you why your wrong.

And using the identical logic, a car accident that results in injury or fatality is an equally valid reason to ban motor vehicles.

If your reason for being anti-gun is valid, then it should hold up to my pro-gun scrutiny. Yours is the active position. You want to see taken away one of the people's rights. In order to do that, you have to prove a defensible reason why the rest of us should give up that right.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: nkgreen
2ND AMENDMENT.
NATURAL RIGHT.

That's not really a reason.

They're the reason you don't need a reason.

Nah, that's just a copout. If you can't come up with some good reasons as to why a Firearm is necessary, perhaps it's time for that "Right" to be retired?
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: MercenaryYoureFired
I don't necessarily like the 2nd Amendment because I feel it doesn't belong with our current culture. As time passes the need for change arises, especially concerning something like this. The availability of firearms today in the US is pretty absurd; and I highly doubt the very smart people who wrote the Amendments were expecting the firearm industry to be where it's at today.

I also hate the fact that if you're in possession of a gun it gives you absolute power over everyone without one. This isn't a bad thing until you realize the ease of getting one, moreover thinking about some of the people who have/had access to this kind of power is disturbing, and why it's such a big problem here.

Believe it or not, but a higher percentage of Americans owned guns when the Constitution was written.

Times were very different. Wild Animals were common, you never knew if a rival European power was going to land causing problems(although this wasn't terribly often, but Britain and France were always at war or close to it), there simply were no Police in most places, Military Forces were often days away.

So I'm supposed to rely on the police to protect me? The average police to civilian rate in the US is something like 1 officer per 10,000 civilians. The average 911 response time in my city, Dallas TX is 15-18 minutes.
And lastly, there is no mandate or law requiring a police officer to take a bullet for you.

Yes.

Let me know how that works out when someone breaks into your house, rapes, and kills your family.

HAH! I don't have a family!! :p:D ;)
 

Away

Diamond Member
May 1, 2005
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If you anti gun nuts want to be killed at the hands of criminals, that's fine with me. I am going to protect myself and my loved ones. That is my right and you are not going to change that.
 
Aug 23, 2000
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Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: Vic
We need to ban all motor vehicles. Some 45k people are killed by them every year, and over 1 million injured... in the US alone! My God, we must put an end to the slaughter!!

Or wait... I have an idea. Because the complaint is that guns kill people, let's pass laws -- get this -- making it illegal to kill people! And we'll make it the most serious crime we have, punishable by death in certain cases, decades in prison in the rest. Surely that will make it so we don't have to ban guns, because once we pass the magical law against killing, no one will ever kill each other anymore!

Umm... wait.

:p

First off back it up and secondly yes we should have stricter laws for driving.

But driving is necessary, while owning a gun is not.

Driving is not a necessity. Take the bus or ride a horse.
 

Kirby

Lifer
Apr 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: nkgreen
2ND AMENDMENT.
NATURAL RIGHT.

That's not really a reason.

They're the reason you don't need a reason.

Nah, that's just a copout. If you can't come up with some good reasons as to why a Firearm is necessary, perhaps it's time for that "Right" to be retired?

Do you know what a "Right" is? Rights don't need reasons. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness don't have a big list that someone checks to make sure that there are good reasons for it.
 

Saint Michael

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Originally posted by: Away
If you anti gun nuts want to be killed at the hands of criminals, that's fine with me. I am going to protect myself and my loved ones. That is my right and you are not going to change that.

Just curious, how many times have you protected yourself and your loved ones with a gun?
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: MercenaryYoureFired
I don't necessarily like the 2nd Amendment because I feel it doesn't belong with our current culture. As time passes the need for change arises, especially concerning something like this. The availability of firearms today in the US is pretty absurd; and I highly doubt the very smart people who wrote the Amendments were expecting the firearm industry to be where it's at today.

I also hate the fact that if you're in possession of a gun it gives you absolute power over everyone without one. This isn't a bad thing until you realize the ease of getting one, moreover thinking about some of the people who have/had access to this kind of power is disturbing, and why it's such a big problem here.

Believe it or not, but a higher percentage of Americans owned guns when the Constitution was written.

Times were very different. Wild Animals were common, you never knew if a rival European power was going to land causing problems(although this wasn't terribly often, but Britain and France were always at war or close to it), there simply were no Police in most places, Military Forces were often days away.

So I'm supposed to rely on the police to protect me? The average police to civilian rate in the US is something like 1 officer per 10,000 civilians. The average 911 response time in my city, Dallas TX is 15-18 minutes.
And lastly, there is no mandate or law requiring a police officer to take a bullet for you.

Yes.

How incredibly undemocratic of you. I mean, really. Apparently, in your world, all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Originally posted by: Away
If you anti gun nuts want to be killed at the hands of criminals, that's fine with me. I am going to protect myself and my loved ones. That is my right and you are not going to change that.

Just curious, how many times have you protected yourself and your loved ones with a gun?

Never. Why does that matter?
 

Kirby

Lifer
Apr 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Originally posted by: Away
If you anti gun nuts want to be killed at the hands of criminals, that's fine with me. I am going to protect myself and my loved ones. That is my right and you are not going to change that.

Just curious, how many times have you protected yourself and your loved ones with a gun?

One does not have to exercise a right for it to exist. There are no laws requiring you to vote, and no laws that take away that right if you don't.