Another year, another $4+ billion to illegal immigrants

[woolfe9999]

This $4 billion is readily resolvable by a number of things... like securing the southern border. So thank you for missing the point.

Interesting you want to spend money to secure the border in order to save this $4 billion, but no discussion of increasing funding to the IRS to save not only this $4 billion, but $100 billion+ in tax evasion from citizens.

I want to secure the border too BTW. But I think YOU'RE the one missing the point here.

 

[etrigan420]

Interesting you want to spend money to secure the border in order to save this $4 billion, but no discussion of increasing funding to the IRS to save not only this $4 billion, but $100 billion+ in tax evasion from citizens.

Also no mention of costs associated with securing the border.

...cause...you know...that'd be free. :sneaky:

 

[boomerang]

Interesting you want to spend money to secure the border in order to save this $4 billion, but no discussion of increasing funding to the IRS to save not only this $4 billion, but $100 billion+ in tax evasion from citizens.

I want to secure the border too BTW. But I think YOU'RE the one missing the point here.

If we went after the tax scofflaws somebody or some group would scream profiling and that would be the end of it. It's true and you know it. As soon as it was known that the IRS was going to investigate those filing with an ITIN, the bellows from the progs would be heard around the world.

 

[woolfe9999]

If we went after the tax scofflaws somebody or some group would scream profiling and that would be the end of it. It's true and you know it. As soon as it was known that the IRS was going to investigate those filing with an ITIN, the bellows from the progs would be heard around the world.

Not if they did it as part of an effort to crack down on tax cheating across the board, no matter who was doing it. Remember, these same progressives would love to see the money being squirreled away in off shore accounts by rich citizens recovered.

 

[davmat787]

It's essentially stimulus to the agricultural community. They get 4+ billion of taxpayer money for employee benefits.

Unless of course they send that money back to Mexico, see the first sentence I bolded below, see the second for why the Mexican .gov is the Mexican't .gov when it comes to doing their part in controlling illegals.

But.. but.. but.. illegals are good for the economy! And you are racist if you want to fix this problem too!

The amount of money sent home to Mexico by migrants working abroad has stabilized following two years of declines caused by the U.S. economic downturn.

The Mexican Central Bank reports that remittances totaled $21.27 billion dollars in 2010, compared to $21.24 billion in 2009.

That is a 0.12 percent increase over 2009 levels, when remittances plummeted by 15.5 percent.

Remittances are the country's second-largest source of foreign income after oil. They rose rapidly in the first years of the new millennium but dropped by 3.6 percent in 2008.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9L432R01.htm

 

[davmat787]

Also no mention of costs associated with securing the border.

...cause...you know...that'd be free. :sneaky:

Interesting you want to spend money to secure the border in order to save this $4 billion, but no discussion of increasing funding to the IRS to save not only this $4 billion, but $100 billion+ in tax evasion from citizens.

I want to secure the border too BTW. But I think YOU'RE the one missing the point here.

Don't forget the losses are much greater than the $4 billion, see the numbers in post 30 that shows an annual $24 billion in money sent back to Mexico. Not sure what tax evasion from legals has to do with this, that is a separate issue that requires a separate solution right? Or am I missing something?

 

[WackyDan]

Interesting you want to spend money to secure the border in order to save this $4 billion, but no discussion of increasing funding to the IRS to save not only this $4 billion, but $100 billion+ in tax evasion from citizens.

I want to secure the border too BTW. But I think YOU'RE the one missing the point here.

No... I think you are still missing the point though perhaps I should have digressed- Securing the border saves well beyond the $4 billion that they are gaming from the IRS... Well beyond.

 

[WackyDan]

Also no mention of costs associated with securing the border.

...cause...you know...that'd be free. :sneaky:

Securing the border will pay for itself... by minimizing the net cost to our society that these illegals impose just by being here.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Yet another reason to end the EITC.

Although it seems that it would be easy to prevent this type of fraud by just restricting the EITC to those with SSNs.

AND making it a NET ZERO program.

 

[davmat787]

Also no mention of costs associated with securing the border.

...cause...you know...that'd be free. :sneaky:

I think most countries don't look at having a secure border from a strict cost/benefit point of view. Rather, they see it as simply part of being a country and its benefits towards security and protecting its citizens and their national identity.

I don't see anyone thinking Sweden or say France are racists or xenophobes for having a sane border policy.

Also, what is wrong with wanting a sane and sustainable immigration policy that rewards law abiding and productive individuals and families with US citizenship? I don't see how anyone can say they support that while being in favor of the status quo.

 

[shortylickens]

Since when did you ultra libs start hating illegal aliens?

 

[Infohawk]

soulcougher is not wrong either. There may very well come a day when it makes little to no sense to stay here.

Where do you think you're going to go?

 

[Jhhnn]

Where do you think you're going to go?

He has no idea... just somewhere, anywhere in the first world where he'll pay lower taxes...

As if such a place actually exists...

 

[Jhhnn]

I think most countries don't look at having a secure border from a strict cost/benefit point of view. Rather, they see it as simply part of being a country and its benefits towards security and protecting its citizens and their national identity.

I don't see anyone thinking Sweden or say France are racists or xenophobes for having a sane border policy.

Also, what is wrong with wanting a sane and sustainable immigration policy that rewards law abiding and productive individuals and families with US citizenship? I don't see how anyone can say they support that while being in favor of the status quo.

You really don't have a clue. Workers in the Eurozone can't be discriminated against based on their country of origin within the Eurozone.

http://www.workpermit.com/european_union/employment_issues.htm

Nor do you have the slightest idea why we have illegal immigration into this country- it's because big business loves 'em, and will talk out of both sides of their mouths to keep 'em. You don't have to put up a border fence like the former East Germany, you just need an ID system w/ enforcement that prevents them from getting jobs with big business like Hormel, Con Agra, WalMart & so forth.

It'll never happen, because the leaders of the Right won't let it happen, no matter how often they jerk the chains of nativist twits to get votes.

 

[BoberFett]

Yes, it's the right who is preventing anything from being done about illegal immigration. Nothing to do with the left who screams "RACISM!" anytime the topic even comes up.

 

[ElFenix]

Don't forget the losses are much greater than the $4 billion, see the numbers in post 30 that shows an annual $24 billion in money sent back to Mexico.

remittances aren't a loss. remittances are a negative interest rate loan.

 

[boomerang]

He has no idea... just somewhere, anywhere in the first world where he'll pay lower taxes...

As if such a place actually exists...

Slow down there - facts not in evidence. I never said I was leaving. Another day and I may have prodded you both along to see how far you'd run with an assumption based on nearly nothing.

 

[WackyDan]

Nor do you have the slightest idea why we have illegal immigration into this country- it's because big business loves 'em, and will talk out of both sides of their mouths to keep 'em. You don't have to put up a border fence like the former East Germany, you just need an ID system w/ enforcement that prevents them from getting jobs with big business like Hormel, Con Agra, WalMart & so forth.

It'll never happen, because the leaders of the Right won't let it happen, no matter how often they jerk the chains of nativist twits to get votes.

1. There already is a guest/migrant worker program - could be better

2. Big business does not employ illegals... some mid size companies do, but primarily small businesses. You don't see Illegals working directly for IBM, HP, Walmart, etc.

 

[Jhhnn]

1. There already is a guest/migrant worker program - could be better

2. Big business does not employ illegals... some mid size companies do, but primarily small businesses. You don't see Illegals working directly for IBM, HP, Walmart, etc.

Completely inaccurate. To whit-

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236044,00.html

Big business often gets around hiring illegals with a maze of subcontractors, as well, with the benefit to them being just the same, along with plausible deniability. Construction is a great example of that. National builders run on subcontractors. Fast food is another extremely common place to find illegals. When the govt questions their employer about their credentials, they just move down the street, from Taco Bell to McDonalds to where ever- the people who hire 'em know they're illegal, but they work hard & cheap, and there's huge turnover anyway...

 

[nehalem256]

Completely inaccurate. To whit-

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236044,00.html

Big business often gets around hiring illegals with a maze of subcontractors, as well, with the benefit to them being just the same, along with plausible deniability. Construction is a great example of that. National builders run on subcontractors. Fast food is another extremely common place to find illegals. When the govt questions their employer about their credentials, they just move down the street, from Taco Bell to McDonalds to where ever- the people who hire 'em know they're illegal, but they work hard & cheap, and there's huge turnover anyway...

So companies are suppose to check not only their own workers, but the worker's from any companies they are involved with :\

And you seem to be leaving out some things from the story:

The company said every employee hired since 1997 has completed the proper forms and received proper work authorization from the government.
"Swift has never condoned the employment of unauthorized workers, nor have we ever knowingly hired such individuals," said Swift & Company CEO Sam Rovit. "Swift has played by the rules and relied in good faith on a program explicitly held out by the president of the United States as an effective tool to help employers comply with applicable immigration laws."
A federal investigation that began in February of this year uncovered large numbers of illegal immigrants who may have used the Social Security numbers of lawful U.S. citizens or residents to get jobs at Swift.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236044,00.html#ixzz1trltFSKh

What are you expecting companies to do? Waterboard every potential employee to see if they are illegal?

 

[WackyDan]

Completely inaccurate. To whit-

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236044,00.html

Big business often gets around hiring illegals with a maze of subcontractors, as well, with the benefit to them being just the same, along with plausible deniability. Construction is a great example of that. National builders run on subcontractors. Fast food is another extremely common place to find illegals. When the govt questions their employer about their credentials, they just move down the street, from Taco Bell to McDonalds to where ever- the people who hire 'em know they're illegal, but they work hard & cheap, and there's huge turnover anyway...

Not inaccurate at all.... you said it... SUB CONTRACTORS... Fast food? Small business to medium business franchisee's...

Again... Large companies do not directly employ illegals.

Either way.. impart a penalty.. .make it stiff and that part of the issue goes away.

 

[IGBT]

Why is the government paying illegal immigrants?

No wonder the US is going broke.

gone Broke. That's 4 billion in red ink that will require interest payments.

 

[sportage]

This all sounds like more faux news bs.
For one thing, illegals want to stay invisible fearing they will be found out.
They do not go to doctors. They do not file taxes <rolled eyes>.
No one is standing out there handing out money as they cross the border.
The one illegal that I do know of, is totally terrified of exposure.
He works construction, and his boss plays little games on him by holding his weekly pay until he is practically forced to beg for it on hands and knees. And what can he do?
If he works, earns, and the boss is a prick, who is this illegal going to run to? The police? LOLOLOLOL
Yeah there are morons that believe anything. They love to believe everything.
Especially bs they hear on Faux news, or from some bs gang bang mass emailing.
Maybe... Just maybe you should look to the greedy banks, the owned US congress, the rightwing owned and paid for US supreme court, or at the greed of healthcare for profit when searching for that misspent tax money.
Or, try looking right under your nose, for once...

 

[boomerang]

This all sounds like more faux news bs.
For one thing, illegals want to stay invisible fearing they will be found out.
They do not go to doctors. They do not file taxes <rolled eyes>.
No one is standing out there handing out money as they cross the border.
The one illegal that I do know of, is totally terrified of exposure.
He works construction, and his boss plays little games on him by holding his weekly pay until he is practically forced to beg for it on hands and knees. And what can he do?
If he works, earns, and the boss is a prick, who is this illegal going to run to? The police? LOLOLOLOL
Yeah there are morons that believe anything. They love to believe everything.
Especially bs they hear on Faux news, or from some bs gang bang mass emailing.
Maybe... Just maybe you should look to the greedy banks, the owned US congress, the rightwing owned and paid for US supreme court, or at the greed of healthcare for profit when searching for that misspent tax money.
Or, try looking right under your nose, for once...

Cool story...

Yeah there are morons that believe anything.

Why yes, yes there are.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Yes... BUT

You can also address this by securing the border, having harsh penalties for those who employ illegals, and increased deportation.

Impractical.

Border securing only works as well as the potential difference between countries. Ironically, what would work better would be working with Mexico to improve their country and help stabilize it.

If they had a better civic structure, they would be able to crack down on the gun runners and drug traffickers themselves rather than having it weigh on us.

I mean, how many illegals do we have POURING in from Canada? (Eh?)

I am not calling for a 3rd world rescue effort, but "fixing" Mexico might, ironically, cost LESS than letting it fall under its own weight and building the great (and ineffective) wall of china along our border.