Another win for the poor cable companies

zerocool84

Lifer
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We've repeatedly hammered Time Warner Cable (and its big-cable cronies) for crying to the North Carolina legislature about municipal broadband. TWC claims it can't compete with taxpayer-backed ISPs such as Wilson, NC's Greenlight -- and that it shouldn't have to. In fact, Greenlight and four other municipal providers came about specifically because corporate players refused to provide inexpensive, fast broadband. And now that local governments have proven they can provide it, the cable companies have cried foul, pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into select political pockets all the while. That's the drama so far, and now a bill restricting municipal broadband -- mandating that providers pay taxes similar to private companies, for example -- has landed on the desk of Governor Bev Perdue. She won't veto the bill, meaning it will soon become a law; for whatever it's worth (read: not much), she also refuses to sign it. The reason? Here it is from the horse's mouth:

I will neither sign nor veto this bill. Instead, I call on the General Assembly to revisit this issue and adopt rules that not only promote fairness but also allow for the greatest number of high quality and affordable broadband options for consumers.

The legislation strikes a blow against public ISPs in a country that ranks ninth in the world for broadband adoption and download speeds. And that, apparently, is what "fair competition" looks like in the US.

OH NO!!! THE POOR CABLE COMPANIES!!! God forbid their profits drop one cent because of some real competition. I'm glad they have the power to pay off government officials to stop this travesty.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/22/nc-governor-will-let-cable-backed-bill-restricting-municipal-bro/
 

Bignate603

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I got our cable bill yesterday, our internet is up to $50 a month now. A few years ago for about the same service it was $35. How come it's becoming more expensive for the same speed?
 

Arkaign

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Corruption is the cornerstone of the USA, same old shit, but I really do think things are continually declining.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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If this internet service was really providing value, why did the government have to get involved in the first place? If it provides value, that means that if it costs $50 to provide the service and the company charges $60, value was created. However, if it costs $75 and you still want to sell it at $60, and can only do so because of government funding, there is so such thing as a free lunch and so someone ultimately pays it. The question shouldn't be if there is a free lunch, but rather who pays for it.

Back to the point - their cost of providing service may have fallen and so if the government sponsored firms weren't in place, they would have *now* been able to come into the market whereas they could not years ago.

I figured that Sim City taught us all that you don't build unless there is demand for something.
 
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AgaBoogaBoo

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Here's my issue with this - if people had an issue with the internet service, why didn't they put their own dollars where their mouths are? They could have started their own ISP or even pooled money together to serve as an investment in one.

This is just like the insurance company thing - a lot of people complain about them, but all they want is government policies to be put in place to control the people already doing it. If there is such a big problem, why don't more and more people go out and actually create a business? You can't have your cake and eat it too - starting a business is really tough.
 

Gibson486

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Man....I dropped to basic cable....and I still owe over $50 a month because of the internet...Time to look for DSL?
 

MustISO

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I'll be completely shocked when a year goes by where Comcast doesn't raise their rates in our area. Verizon had to fight in court for years to even be allowed to lay lines around here.
 

DangerAardvark

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On the heels of that wise and beautiful woman from the FCC approving the NBC/Comcast merger then leaving for a lobbying job at said company.
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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Here's my issue with this - if people had an issue with the internet service, why didn't they put their own dollars where their mouths are? They could have started their own ISP or even pooled money together to serve as an investment in one.

This is just like the insurance company thing - a lot of people complain about them, but all they want is government policies to be put in place to control the people already doing it. If there is such a big problem, why don't more and more people go out and actually create a business? You can't have your cake and eat it too - starting a business is really tough.


Sure. I'll just get a few neighbors together, and have a bake sale. That should be enough money to start an ISP. Shit, I've got a great Linksys router, and a couple P4s laying around. That's all it takes, right?
 

Ichinisan

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The cableco I work for was owned by the city when it was created, and when I started there. It really really did suck compared to other cableco offerings.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Sure. I'll just get a few neighbors together, and have a bake sale. That should be enough money to start an ISP. Shit, I've got a great Linksys router, and a couple P4s laying around. That's all it takes, right?
Your point is that it takes a lot? How do you think the people who started their own business got the money? There is no "money fairy" sitting around that magically gives it only to some people and not others.
 

Vette73

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Here's my issue with this - if people had an issue with the internet service, why didn't they put their own dollars where their mouths are? They could have started their own ISP or even pooled money together to serve as an investment in one.

This is just like the insurance company thing - a lot of people complain about them, but all they want is government policies to be put in place to control the people already doing it. If there is such a big problem, why don't more and more people go out and actually create a business? You can't have your cake and eat it too - starting a business is really tough.


They did.
They elected people that would pull the PEOPLES tax money together and provide a service that other companies said they would not. If the majority of people were against this they could have voted against it.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
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Your point is that it takes a lot? How do you think the people who started their own business got the money? There is no "money fairy" sitting around that magically gives it only to some people and not others.


All I can is it's a good thing the corporations didn't own the government years ago like they do now. The roads would still be privately owned, and if you didn't like the provided passage across the river, you could make your own way across....
 

WaTaGuMp

Lifer
May 10, 2001
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I am with TMC for my internet, the last time they raised my rates I sent them an email with some not so choice words. They gave me a 1 year deal that's $29.99, when that deal is up, I will tell them either I keep that price or I will leave.
 

DCal430

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A government entity should not be sponsoring and subsidizing any utility.

WRONG.

I live in area were the local electric is provided by a special purpose district (government entity). Its rates are much lower than near by areas who have private investor owned electric companies. All utilities should be owned and run by the government.

Go to this site and read the FACTS about public run utility:

http://www.publicpower.org/aboutpublic/index.cfm?ItemNumber=9411
 

manlymatt83

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I got our cable bill yesterday, our internet is up to $50 a month now. A few years ago for about the same service it was $35. How come it's becoming more expensive for the same speed?

Because Governments restrict competition, and then blame the big companies.
 

manlymatt83

Lifer
Oct 14, 2005
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WRONG.

I live in area were the local electric is provided by a special purpose district (government entity). Its rates are much lower than near by areas who have private investor owned electric companies. All utilities should be owned and run by the government.

Go to this site and read the FACTS about public run utility:

http://www.publicpower.org/aboutpublic/index.cfm?ItemNumber=9411

No, you're WRONG. If the governments didn't restrict competition and allowed it in the first place, then you'd have the cheap utilities without the single entity (ie: your "government") maintaining everything.
 

DCal430

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No, you're WRONG. If the governments didn't restrict competition and allowed it in the first place, then you'd have the cheap utilities without the single entity (ie: your "government") maintaining everything.

You think having multiple companies running their own power lines under the ground is efficient. Things like utilities are more efficient with a single provider.

With a government run utility you get:

1. Local control, the people control the rates
2. Lower prices, people driven not profit driven
3. Reliable power, the community is first, not profits
 

SSSnail

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Nov 29, 2006
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Here's my issue with this - if people had an issue with the internet service, why didn't they put their own dollars where their mouths are? They could have started their own ISP or even pooled money together to serve as an investment in one.

This is just like the insurance company thing - a lot of people complain about them, but all they want is government policies to be put in place to control the people already doing it. If there is such a big problem, why don't more and more people go out and actually create a business? You can't have your cake and eat it too - starting a business is really tough.
You're a fuking moron. You don't like how expensive gas is? Go dig your own oil, build your own refinery, pumps, etc... You don't like your medical bill? Go learn surgery, operate on yourself. Do you realize how stupid you sound yet or should I continue on?

It's one thing to create a business for profit, there's nothing wrong with that. It starts to go wrong when you go out of your way to create a monopoly, or oligopoly and charge whatever you want.
 

coloumb

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I got our cable bill yesterday, our internet is up to $50 a month now. A few years ago for about the same service it was $35. How come it's becoming more expensive for the same speed?

Cost of doing service. How else are the employees going to get a raise every year so they can keep up with the cost of living? ;)
 

AstroManLuca

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Jun 24, 2004
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Here's my issue with this - if people had an issue with the internet service, why didn't they put their own dollars where their mouths are? They could have started their own ISP or even pooled money together to serve as an investment in one.

Looking past how fucking stupid this is for the reasons other people have mentioned (should people be expected to create their own companies to provide any service they need?), there's also the point that THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED. And when it did, the big cable companies went crying to the government that they can't compete!

So what happens if I do get so fed up with ISP prices that I decide to get together with a bunch of people and take out some big loans to create our own ISP that we'll run fairly? The big cable companies will start throwing their money at elected officials to get them to pass laws that make it easier for them to keep getting bigger at the cost of small businesses.

Then what? I guess it's time I ran for congress. Even if I could succeed, I would have one voice among hundreds. Shall I back the candidate who claims to not be in the pocket of corporations instead? I can try that, but most politicians are crooked and care more about making rich people richer, and they'll only claim to fight for regular people and small businesses to get elected.

It makes me sick the extent that corporations control policies in the US. People disparage government for getting too involved here or there, but apparently it doesn't matter at all when corporations do the exact same things? In fact, it's even worse. Companies answer only to their shareholders; they exist solely to make money and don't care. Government is (theoretically) representing the people. Supporting smaller government and bigger corporations is the same as supporting greater wealth disparity and decreased freedom for the vast majority of Americans.