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Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
He never had a chance.

What else can we expect when most Americans still believe that the incredibly subsidized and socialized healthcare system we have now is somehow representative of true capitalism?
 

Chaotic42

Lifer
Jun 15, 2001
34,874
2,036
126
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I don't like Obama, but since he didn't turn the economy around in four weeks, he's going to get hammered. People have unreasonable expectations and will turn on you in a second. He never had a chance.

Because he created those expectations.

Do you think Obama would've been elected if he told people *ahem* the truth (as he promised he would)?

I guess my point is that no president would be doing too well in the polls right now. I don't think that people have the patience to allow economic plans to bear fruit.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
3,948
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well this is coming from a guy who supported the ones who fucked the country, now that we have a guy who's trying to unfuck us from the damage your guys did you expect us to take heed in your sniveling? I brush you and those like you criticisms aside, you have no standing what so ever.

This.

Republicans should just stfu for a couple years
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
3,948
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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I don't like Obama, but since he didn't turn the economy around in four weeks, he's going to get hammered. People have unreasonable expectations and will turn on you in a second. He never had a chance.

Because he created those expectations.

Do you think Obama would've been elected if he told people *ahem* the truth (as he promised he would)?

I guess my point is that no president would be doing too well in the polls right now. I don't think that people have the patience to allow economic plans to bear fruit.

i think you are right in a lot of ways. I think if obama's presidency is good for the country we wont realize it for some time yet.
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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0
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Originally posted by: Chaotic42

I guess my point is that no president would be doing too well in the polls right now. I don't think that people have the patience to allow economic plans to bear fruit.

You mean we the people that no longer have the stomach for war, can't display fiscal responsibility and even lack the discipline to not talk on the phone while driving get distracted by something shiny?

Ohhh, shiny...............


 

OrByte

Diamond Member
Jul 21, 2000
9,303
144
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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: Chaotic42

I guess my point is that no president would be doing too well in the polls right now. I don't think that people have the patience to allow economic plans to bear fruit.

You mean we the people that no longer have the stomach for war, can't display fiscal responsibility and even lack the discipline to not talk on the phone while driving get distracted by something shiny?

Ohhh, shiny...............

did someone say fruit?

MMmmmm watermelon....MMMmmmmm

 

cliftonite

Diamond Member
Jul 15, 2001
6,900
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: blackangst1
People are waking up.

One Big Ass Mistake Amerika
Yeah right as if the Republicans have anything better to offer. They got nothing!

You have improved at deflecting!

Hey its all Dems now. They have no excuse any more. Its their turn to show what a pile of shit they are :)

It will probably smell the same as the republican pile :)
 

alphatarget1

Diamond Member
Dec 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I don't like Obama, but since he didn't turn the economy around in four weeks, he's going to get hammered. People have unreasonable expectations and will turn on you in a second. He never had a chance.

Because he created those expectations.

Do you think Obama would've been elected if he told people *ahem* the truth (as he promised he would)?

I guess my point is that no president would be doing too well in the polls right now. I don't think that people have the patience to allow economic plans to bear fruit.

Obama fearmongered the country into passing his "stimulus" bill which was pretty much pork for his (or Nancy Pelosi's) constituencies/special interest. Obama has not been honest and transparent as he promised he would during his campaign, which was expected but his followers are still drinking the Obamakoolaid. Pursuing policy goals is one thing, being honest is another. I thought he was supposed to be representing a different kind of politics?

In any case, Republicans obviously aren't really offering a lot of good solutions, but if anything flops it's Obama and the Democrat's fault. Stop blaming everything on Bush. They had no backbone to stop the Iraq war and no backbone to stand up to things that were supposedly bad, and we're just seeing the same (Dems + Repubs) party screwing us.
 

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Patranus

Doing nothing is better than rushing into something just to say you are doing something and then have it backfire.

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
LOL, we already had to endure what your kind had to offer, I'm more than willing to give this guy a chance and if he does fail that only means we haven't any good solutions as the Republicans have already proven that are only capable of failing. I'll even bet that you embarrass other mainstream Republicans with your hair on fire bullshit.

Problem is that once it is done, it can't be undone. Might want to make sure that it is done right before it is done. Too bad Obama is only interested in rushing it through like he did with Omnibus and the "stimulus" package.
Well this is coming from a guy who supported the ones who fucked the country, now that we have a guy who's trying to unfuck us from the damage your guys did you expect us to take heed in your sniveling? I brush you and those like you criticisms aside, you have no standing what so ever.

You should take heed. The fuckness that Obama wants to reap on this country will last much much longer that the fuckness brought about by Dubya.

I mean hell... the deficit was going down under Bush after dealing with the hit from 9/11. Going down until the congress of 2006 had the democrats in charge of the budget. Now we have hit a deficit of 1.8T on top of having a shitty healthcare plan jammed down our throats with no means to even pay for it. And he wants to jam it down everyones throat within the next couple of months.

But hey your man won the election. All is good is la la land.
 

theeedude

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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Good, sometimes doing right things is not popular. The truth is we would be up sh!t creek with no paddle if the Republicans were in charge. As it is we are up sh!t creek with a paddle, not roses, but better than the alternative.
 

quest55720

Golden Member
Nov 3, 2004
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Obama only has himself to blame. He is the one who put his career in the hands of Nancy Pelosi. He let her write porkulus and now the health care reform. If Obama would just stand up to the far left of his party he would be much better off. I knew this would happen Obama would be a rubber stamp to Pelosi and the far left. Obama is a coward and will never put him self on the line. He let Pelosi write all these bills so he could defect any blame. I am glad the public is finally waking up.
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Obama is too lazy. He sends everything to Congress. Naturally, they fuck it up.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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25% believe the stimulus is doing anything. That is the die hard supporters. The rest of the country is off that bandwagon. And 53% dont approve of his current plan to overhaul healthcare.

Going to be tough to push through healthcare reform with an election coming up in ~15 months. Especially with the majority of the nation not supporting the current plan.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
70,150
5
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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: senseamp
Good, sometimes doing right things is not popular.

you sound like Bush justifying Iraq.
It's definitely an argument I've heard the right make when Bush's approval ratings were low.

His ratings are mainly low I suspect because a) the economy is getting worse for almost everybody, regardless of technical bottoming, b) there is very little excitement on his healthcare plan; Republicans hate it, and even among Democrat supporters the theme is "It's better than nothing". Obama cannot point to anything that most Americans care about and say "Look, I got that right". Calling the cop stupid and then apologizing was a very amateur mistake and put icing on the cake.

Personally, I'm not that hard on him. His numbers will probably go up in time.

 

SammyJr

Golden Member
Feb 27, 2008
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
People are waking up.

One Big Ass Mistake Amerika

The use of the word Mistake implies that McCain/Palin would have been a better choice. LOL.
 

thraashman

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
11,112
1,587
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Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: blackangst1
People are waking up.

One Big Ass Mistake Amerika

The use of the word Mistake implies that McCain/Palin would have been a better choice. LOL.

I think I'm quite happy to do without a man who joyfully sings songs about bombing countries and a quitter as the top dogs in Washington.

If Obama is guilty of anything it's trying to do too much too fast and as a result not putting enough focus into any one thing. He needs to realize that there are some things that can get done far faster and easier, such as repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell.

Perhaps we can lessen the scope of UHC to preventative care and prenatal care. That seems like a more feasible alternative that we can actually pay for.
 

WHAMPOM

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2006
7,628
183
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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: sandorski
Propaganda works, which is why it's used constantly. Unfortunate fact.

What propaganda do you speak of?

"20% of Patients in UHC die!"
"Socialism!"
"Government bureaucrat between you and your Doctor"
"No Freedom!"
etc etc etc

There's plenty of propaganda coming from both sides.

Oh! Is that the "Jill took some office pencils home for her kids, now it's OK for me to clean out the cash drawer." excuse??
 

BMW540I6speed

Golden Member
Aug 26, 2005
1,055
0
0
Yes, Obama is losing some popularity. But thats not because his stock has fallen with the right, they already hate his guts with the rodent fury of a thousand hamsters. His stock has fallen with the left, who are quick to sense betrayal in compromise. You could say that Obama hasn't been Obama enough for them. Does this mean all these dissapointed lefty voters will vote Republican now?. Does The party of "no idea's" look like a viable alternitive as we speak?. Lol!, Obama shouldn't worry.

 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
22,994
779
126
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I don't like Obama, but since he didn't turn the economy around in four weeks, he's going to get hammered. People have unreasonable expectations and will turn on you in a second. He never had a chance.

Because he created those expectations.

Do you think Obama would've been elected if he told people *ahem* the truth (as he promised he would)?

I guess my point is that no president would be doing too well in the polls right now. I don't think that people have the patience to allow economic plans to bear fruit.

i think you are right in a lot of ways. I think if obama's presidency is good for the country we wont realize it for some time yet.

Yep, i doubt anyone would put money into the economy being in the same situation or worse 3 and a half years dow n the line.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
42,808
83
91
Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Yes, Obama is losing some popularity. But thats not because his stock has fallen with the right, they already hate his guts with the rodent fury of a thousand hamsters. His stock has fallen with the left, who are quick to sense betrayal in compromise. You could say that Obama hasn't been Obama enough for them. Does this mean all these dissapointed lefty voters will vote Republican now?. Does The party of "no idea's" look like a viable alternitive as we speak?. Lol!, Obama shouldn't worry.

staying home is a damn easy thing to do.

but did you actually read the link?

Obama is now seen as politically liberal by 76%. That's up six points from a month ago, 11 points since he was elected, and the highest total to date. Forty-eight percent (48%) now see him as Very Liberal, up 20 points since he was elected

that would seem to me to indicate that his popularity is not dropping because the left is angry of compromising (and what's he actually compromised on anyways? he's major initiatives seem to have fallen into two categories: let congress take care of everything and I'll be a cheer leader, or let's not do anything and say we did). his approval rating among independents is down as well, perhaps because he's ceded so much power over to the congressional chairmen.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
35,854
10,165
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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I don't like Obama, but since he didn't turn the economy around in four weeks, he's going to get hammered. People have unreasonable expectations and will turn on you in a second. He never had a chance.

Americans cannot figure out why their favorite American Idol cannot single handedly dictate and enact change in their pockets. The focus of our entire media is on a single man, when our government is controlled by Congress and without them he is powerless.

So without Congress in lock step behind him, the President does not achieve much in terms of substance. This is contrary to campaign promises and the public?s expectations. This is the nature of incumbency.

Oh, and raising sin taxes and promising further taxation probably didn?t help much either. Some of these people changing their minds thought he was a new kind of Democrat. As if there can be new ways to operate big government without separating you from your money. Hurt people?s wallets and they?ll fight back.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
35,854
10,165
136
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: blackangst1
People are waking up.

One Big Ass Mistake Amerika

The use of the word Mistake implies that McCain/Palin would have been a better choice. LOL.

To imply a binary choice between two evil choices is a false delimina.
 

Robor

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
16,979
0
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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: blackangst1
People are waking up.

One Big Ass Mistake Amerika

The use of the word Mistake implies that McCain/Palin would have been a better choice. LOL.

To imply a binary choice between two evil choices is a false delimina.

Really? What did all 3rd parties get if you add them together? Reality is it was Obama/Biden, McCain/Palin, or someone who has ZERO chance of actually winning.
 

WHAMPOM

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2006
7,628
183
106
Obama deserves to lose in a popularity poll for running legislation through Congress instead of using the Royal Presidential fiat.

edit; high sarcasm!!