Another 'vaping is bad for you' article

[DrPizza]

Can't everyone get along and just agree that vaping isn't 100% harmless, but close, and it's a hell of a lot safer than the alternative of smoking cigarettes. If the vaping industry would just say that instead of continuously try to prove it's absolutely harmless, then the other side wouldn't constantly be doing studies to prove it's not 100% harmless.

 

[amdhunter]

Can't everyone get along and just agree that vaping isn't 100% harmless, but close, and it's a hell of a lot safer than the alternative of smoking cigarettes. If the vaping industry would just say that instead of continuously try to prove it's absolutely harmless, then the other side wouldn't constantly be doing studies to prove it's not 100% harmless.

I haven't bought anything yet because I am afraid enough to think I'll catch cancer from it.

Whenever I am in the DR we smoke a ton of hookah (A TON) and I grew kind of accustomed to it. I would really like a vape setup.

I bought a few e-cigs that claim no nicotine, but I definitely feel like there is nicotine in it. And they taste dirty. Haven't used one in months because of it.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Can't everyone get along and just agree that vaping isn't 100% harmless, but close, and it's a hell of a lot safer than the alternative of smoking cigarettes. If the vaping industry would just say that instead of continuously try to prove it's absolutely harmless, then the other side wouldn't constantly be doing studies to prove it's not 100% harmless.

False. The big story about vaping is how it has taken a cigarette industry that was mostly made up of three companies (Philip Morris USA (Altria), R.J. Reynolds (Reynolds American), and Lorillard) and converted into a vaping market that is a cottage industry of thousands of little mom and pop vape shops relying on Chinese parts.

No matter how the vapor industry presents itself the oligopoly of cigarettes were going to attack them as they try to hold onto their power/influence/marketshare. To admit fault only gives an opening for those in the industry to use bought and paid for politicians to add burdensome regulations to halt the growth of the mom and pop stores in the name of "public safety."

 

[Charmonium]

I think that regardless of how much you may be emotionally invested in something, you have to be willing to keep an open mind. That includes accepting new information as it becomes available. It also means making an honest effort to give whatever weight is deserved to that information. And if that means it implies that you need to at least modify your behavior in some way, then that's what you should do.

Acrolein is a well known and potent carcinogen. It's one of the first ones listed when talking about the carcinogenic effects of cigarette smoke. Acetyldehyde and Formaldehyde are also carcinogenic but I don't think they are nearly as destructive.

The point is that regardless of how bad they are and regardless of what the levels are, you are introducing substances that are known and have been shown to be deleterious. If like nitrosamines in bacon, you only eat them once in a while, that's fine. Everything in moderation. But vaping tends to be a daily habit that people engage in almost continuously.

And while it probably is less harmful than smoking and may be a good option for would be quitters, it's certainly not harmless and something you should plan on doing long term.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

obligatory

 

[flexy]

I think that regardless of how much you may be emotionally invested in something, you have to be willing to keep an open mind. That includes accepting new information as it becomes available. It also means making an honest effort to give whatever weight is deserved to that information. And if that means it implies that you need to at least modify your behavior in some way, then that's what you should do.

I would absolutely change my vaping behavior and likely set a goal to quit if there was convincing evidence. This cited study doesn't convince me since (as pointed out) it leaves out important factors, it really doesn't answer for me whether vaping is harmful or not.

It is my understanding that there had already been quite some studies about vaping, and if many/most of those studies had found significant amounts of formaldehyde I would likely know this. It's not that formaldehyde and those other carcinogens are something "new".

In my case/simpler spoken: It would be helpful to know whether those alleged amounts of formaldehyde that have been measured would, say, only appear when someone vapes sub-ohm devices (like many do) at high Wattages, like 50W etc.

I am a "mouth to lung" vaper and I don't go over 15W, this means that coils and the vape are far cooler - there is a POSSIBILITY that this doesn't even apply at those lower wattages. So, I am as wise as before.

 

[flexy]

Playing around with my atty, I don't actually *taste* any difference except the vape being less warm, even if I turn it from 16W down to 10W, or 8W even. So if vaping at 10W would make it significantly "safer" I could well live with this. The lower wattage would also mean less gunk buildup on the coils over time.

 

[clamum]

I wouldn't even argue/reply to people or defend yourself about vaping, flexy. People have a huge hatred of smokers and/or vapers. Scum like us should just ignore them.

I will say that "vaping in the gender neutral bathroom" pic is hilarious though, lol.

 

[nakedfrog]

Nominal voltage for a single 18650 battery is 3.7V, they're typically at 4.2V when fully charged and stop firing below ~3.3V in my experience.
But as flexy says, voltage doesn't really tell us much in the way of real-world usage.

I have a question for vapers: Did you smoke before you started vaping or is vaping a habit you've picked up independently of smoking?

Yes, I smoked before.

OF COURSE I was smoking before.

But question back:

Do you also call people who eat ice cream or who like candy or bubble gum "stupid"? I am pretty sure that ingredients in candy/bubble gum etc. (food colors, sweeteners, preservatives etc.) are not exactly "healthy" either, in fact some of those ingredients are proven carcinogens...not to mention the sugars etc.

So if you have such an anti-stance against vaping...you should in all fairness extend your dislike also to people who eat candies, chew gum...or even those who eat unhealthy foods like frozen pizzas. Because, after all, research is NOT that conclusive that vaping is SO MUCH MORE "UNHEALTHY" than those things.

Carcinogenic bacon, BBQ, etc... but I'm fairly well convinced that it's the hardcore vape enthusiasts ruining it for the rest of us, going out in public with their dual or quad battery 0.3 ohm coils at 120W pushing out ridiculous clouds of fru-fru smells.

Can't everyone get along and just agree that vaping isn't 100% harmless, but close, and it's a hell of a lot safer than the alternative of smoking cigarettes. If the vaping industry would just say that instead of continuously try to prove it's absolutely harmless, then the other side wouldn't constantly be doing studies to prove it's not 100% harmless.

That would be nice.

 

[JulesMaximus]

OF COURSE I was smoking before.

But question back:

Do you also call people who eat ice cream or who like candy or bubble gum "stupid"? I am pretty sure that ingredients in candy/bubble gum etc. (food colors, sweeteners, preservatives etc.) are not exactly "healthy" either, in fact some of those ingredients are proven carcinogens...not to mention the sugars etc.

So if you have such an anti-stance against vaping...you should in all fairness extend your dislike also to people who eat candies, chew gum...or even those who eat unhealthy foods like frozen pizzas. Because, after all, research is NOT that conclusive that vaping is SO MUCH MORE "UNHEALTHY" than those things.

Not sure what this has to do with smoking or vaping.

I personally don't know anyone who eats ice cream more than maybe once a week. I don't chew gum or eat candy regularly either. I wouldn't really call eating pizza addictive. Is it good for you? Not in excess but it isn't addicting.

Willingly participating in something that causes addiction is stupid. And yes, I used to smoke. I quit cold turkey when I was in my early 20s.

 

[Rubycon]

Wow someone needs to study up Ohm's law which was third grade level material for me.

 

[OutHouse]

I have a question for vapers: Did you smoke before you started vaping or is vaping a habit you've picked up independently of smoking?

If you started vaping and you weren't a smoker prior to this I have a followup question: Why on earth did you start vaping? Are you stupid?

yes and i have not touched a analog cig in 6 years. cant stand them. I look at smokers as you do vapers as "you stupid fuck, you just inhaled 7,000 chemicals and spent 6 bucks for the pleasure of killing yourself."

I make my own juice. it has PG, VG, 3mg nic, and food grade flavoring. no idea how one would get formaldehyde from those 4 things.

 

[JEDIYoda]

OF COURSE I was smoking before.

But question back:

Do you also call people who eat ice cream or who like candy or bubble gum "stupid"? I am pretty sure that ingredients in candy/bubble gum etc. (food colors, sweeteners, preservatives etc.) are not exactly "healthy" either, in fact some of those ingredients are proven carcinogens...not to mention the sugars etc.

So if you have such an anti-stance against vaping...you should in all fairness extend your dislike also to people who eat candies, chew gum...or even those who eat unhealthy foods like frozen pizzas. Because, after all, research is NOT that conclusive that vaping is SO MUCH MORE "UNHEALTHY" than those things.

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Then there are those who out of ignorance will attempt to change the subject when the subject s vaping....NOT Ice cream or Bubble gum or .......

 

[Red Squirrel]

Wait, so is it bad to power a vape directly off the car cig lighter socket? Isin't that what that's for?!

 

[Rubycon]

yes and i have not touched a analog cig in 6 years. cant stand them. I look at smokers as you do vapers as "you stupid fuck, you just inhaled 7,000 chemicals and spent 6 bucks for the pleasure of killing yourself."

I make my own juice. it has PG, VG, 3mg nic, and food grade flavoring. no idea how one would get formaldehyde from those 4 things.

If the coil gets too hot it can cause these compounds to break down into harmful substances. That's what the article is trying to convey. However what they are missing is the resistance of the coil, the wicking, the airflow, etc.

Watt density, wicking efficiency, and airflow determine how hot things get. If someone is concerned they can use a box mod with temperature control and a coil material (nickel/titanium/SS/etc.) and never have to worry about their puff consistency or getting a dry hit.

And yes as a (former) smoker of cigars, I agree that vaping is a far better alternative both health wise and environment wise. (that is in the case of the latter your clouds don't infiltrate everyone's furnishings and clothing making them smell worse than 100 year old canvas that was pissed on by 10 opossums!)

Wait, so is it bad to power a vape directly off the car cig lighter socket? Isin't that what that's for?!

A cigar lighter socket can roast a lot of squirrel nuts!

 

[MrSquished]

I have a question for vapers: Did you smoke before you started vaping or is vaping a habit you've picked up independently of smoking?

I smoked at least a pack a day for 20 years. i took chantix to quit, twice. The second time stuck better than the first. I still smoked an occasional cigarette or two during the day and then socially and also when drinking - so maybe 5 a day. Once I picked up a vape I haven't touched a cigarette at all. In fact they smell gross to me.

Not sure about voltage, I vape at 45 watts.

 

[gorcorps]

We know it's not good for you... but if it's still better than smoking cigarettes then mission accomplished

 

[JulesMaximus]

If the coil gets too hot it can cause these compounds to break down into harmful substances. That's what the article is trying to convey. However what they are missing is the resistance of the coil, the wicking, the airflow, etc.

Watt density, wicking efficiency, and airflow determine how hot things get. If someone is concerned they can use a box mod with temperature control and a coil material (nickel/titanium/SS/etc.) and never have to worry about their puff consistency or getting a dry hit.

And yes as a (former) smoker of cigars, I agree that vaping is a far better alternative both health wise and environment wise. (that is in the case of the latter your clouds don't infiltrate everyone's furnishings and clothing making them smell worse than 100 year old canvas that was pissed on by 10 opossums!)



A cigar lighter socket can roast a lot of squirrel nuts!

I smoke maybe 2-3 cigars a year. I don't inhale cigar smoke though and I don't think that a couple cigars a year is going to kill me.

 

[flexy]

Then there are those who out of ignorance will attempt to change the subject when the subject s vaping....NOT Ice cream or Bubble gum or .......

You really didn't get my point, did ya?

Licking a lollypop or chewing gum is also a habit which, on some level, defies common sense, and it sure ain't "healthy" either. The comparison is justified.

 

[smackababy]

I love the vapers who continue to head in the sand about studies. Reminds me of all those morons in the finger shoes and hologram bracelets.

 

[MetalMat]

Meh, it's still safer than smoking cigarettes.

 

[JulesMaximus]

You really didn't get my point, did ya?

Licking a lollypop or chewing gum is also a habit which, on some level, defies common sense, and it sure ain't "healthy" either. The comparison is justified.

Does chewing gum cause cancer?

I don't think the comparison is justified at all because the jury is still out on the long-term effects of vaping. And I don't trust a bunch of companies who are making millions off the vaping fad to tell me it's safe. Call me crazy.

At least the people posting in this thread went to it from cigarettes and didn't pick it up not having this bad habit prior (although, they would have done better to quit smoking altogether). I have a real problem with teens picking up this habit though and it is definitely marketed to young adults. That I am firmly against.

 

[JEDIYoda]

You really didn't get my point, did ya?

Licking a lollypop or chewing gum is also a habit which, on some level, defies common sense, and it sure ain't "healthy" either. The comparison is justified.

your point was pointless! On some level anything anybody does can be considered harmful.....even taking a walk.....so keep trying to change the subject!!

 

[destrekor]

http://blog.thedripclub.com/no-they-didnt-find-new-carcinogens-in-your-e-cigarette-vapor

 

[JulesMaximus]

http://blog.thedripclub.com/no-they-didnt-find-new-carcinogens-in-your-e-cigarette-vapor

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