Another toddler shot his parents

[master_shake_]

they didn't die...

so no double kill.

nice shot though

 

[master_shake_]

The real ridiculousness is that this is a solved problem - we can make guns that only fire when their legitimate owner is holding it. Solves stolen guns, solves babies shooting themselves/parents/siblings, solves unformed, angsty teens taking their parents' guns for school shootings. Yet gun nuts are so nuts that they threaten anyone even willing to offer those guns on the free market

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/...fter-she-develops-weapon-only-owner-can-fire/

dey took er guns!

 

[DrPizza]

Maybe their point isn't that your ownership is safe... it's that other people are stupid, AND their stupidity with guns puts us all at risk.
Example... if this happened at the store, no guarantee they are restricted to hitting their parents.

Innocent bystanders are at risk, and the argument is that it should not be tolerated.

On the surface, a very good post. But realize, this applies equally well to anything that can cause us harm as a result of idiots misusing it. E.g., alcohol, because some people drink it and then drive a car (or do other risky activities). Cars because some people might drive unsafely for the road conditions, go into the oncoming lane, and kill people. Etc.

Sadly, short of banning each of these - guns, alcohol, cars - there's no 100% sure solution. There are only steps that can be taken to minimize the overall risk to others. It's illegal to drink and drive (yet our country still sees thousands of deaths from that.) It should simply be illegal to store loaded firearms where children may have access to them. Promote more responsible gun ownership. And stop with the knee-jerk reactions and idiotic extremists like the OP.

 

[Subyman]

On the surface, a very good post. But realize, this applies equally well to anything that can cause us harm as a result of idiots misusing it. E.g., alcohol, because some people drink it and then drive a car (or do other risky activities). Cars because some people might drive unsafely for the road conditions, go into the oncoming lane, and kill people. Etc.

Sadly, short of banning each of these - guns, alcohol, cars - there's no 100% sure solution. There are only steps that can be taken to minimize the overall risk to others. It's illegal to drink and drive (yet our country still sees thousands of deaths from that.) It should simply be illegal to store loaded firearms where children may have access to them. Promote more responsible gun ownership. And stop with the knee-jerk reactions and idiotic extremists like the OP.

Symbolic law. This would only be something that cops tack on to the charges in home raids. People need to get it through their head, life isn't safe. With 300+ million people in the US, shit is going to happen.

 

[Matt1970]

You guys seriously need to get over the invisible fear

And yet it's quite visible "time to becomje a lil bit smarter... guns aren't necessary". If you want to pretend it isn't there, go ahead.

 

[Carson Dyle]

2 hits with one shot? The kid is good.

Not nearly as good a shot as the kid in the shopping cart who blew Mom's brains out. Apparently he wasn't properly taught that if you're going to pull the trigger, you do so only if you intend to kill your target.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well, dear gun owners, deal with it. What is your arguments now? Maybe you still think that parents are guilty in cases like that?
Guys, time to becomje a lil bit smarter... guns aren't necessary!

There doesn`t need to be an argument! Seeing as how you started the thread, are you afraid to comment more?

I bet your also afraid of guns????

Cramer says the Nazis did benefit significantly from gun control in Eastern Europe in terms of "the inability of their victims to fight back." He cites The Holocaust, a book by Leni Yahil (translated by Ina Friedman and Haya Galai, Oxford University Press, 1990), which has a chapter discussing armed resistance by Jews, including rebellions with just a few firearms and a lot of courage. In addition, he talks about Israel Guttman's book, Resistance: The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, which discusses the difficulty the Jews faced in obtaining weapons.

Cramer believes that "if the population of Eastern Europe were as well armed as the average American, the Nazis would have lost much of their military capacity attempting to implement the Holocaust." I'm not sure I'd go that far, but it's certainly difficult to have an uprising without weapons.

When the Nazis enacted their own law in 1938, they added restrictions aimed at Jews, such as not allowing Jews to work in any business involving guns. They also prohibited those under eighteen from buying guns, added yet another permit for handguns, and banned silencers and small hollow-point ammunition. Of course, Nazi officials were exempted from all gun permits. Later that year, after "Kristallnacht," Hitler forbade Jews to possess pretty much any weapons.

To summarize, Hitler did "effect total gun control," but only for the Jews, and only after his regime had been in power for several years. For the rest of the population he relied on laws already in place.

To focus exclusively on gun control is to lose sight of the larger picture. The Nazis controlled EVERYTHING. If you went through the Bill of Rights you'd find that most of them were abridged in Hitler's Germany.

 

[irishScott]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/01/toddler-gun_n_6588900.html

Well, dear gun owners, deal with it. What is your arguments now? Maybe you still think that parents are guilty in cases like that?
Guys, time to becomje a lil bit smarter... guns aren't necessary!

I think parents are responsible for the safety of their children, yes.

I also know, not think, that anyone who leaves a loaded gun accessible to unattended children is an idiot.

 

[irishScott]

Symbolic law. This would only be something that cops tack on to the charges in home raids. People need to get it through their head, life isn't safe. With 300+ million people in the US, shit is going to happen.

This. Also I'd like to see some statistics on how many people die from negligent gun accidents so I can point out the massive list of common, everyday things that are many times more likely to kill a given US citizen.

 

[pcgeek11]

Within a generation no one will be directly driving their vehicle anyway... precisely for safety reasons.

Yes and we are all going to have flying cars like the Jetsons by the year 2000... Oh wait!

 

[ivwshane]

There doesn`t need to be an argument! Seeing as how you started the thread, are you afraid to comment more?

I bet your also afraid of guns????

Cramer says the Nazis did benefit significantly from gun control in Eastern Europe in terms of "the inability of their victims to fight back." He cites The Holocaust, a book by Leni Yahil (translated by Ina Friedman and Haya Galai, Oxford University Press, 1990), which has a chapter discussing armed resistance by Jews, including rebellions with just a few firearms and a lot of courage. In addition, he talks about Israel Guttman's book, Resistance: The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, which discusses the difficulty the Jews faced in obtaining weapons.

Cramer believes that "if the population of Eastern Europe were as well armed as the average American, the Nazis would have lost much of their military capacity attempting to implement the Holocaust." I'm not sure I'd go that far, but it's certainly difficult to have an uprising without weapons.

When the Nazis enacted their own law in 1938, they added restrictions aimed at Jews, such as not allowing Jews to work in any business involving guns. They also prohibited those under eighteen from buying guns, added yet another permit for handguns, and banned silencers and small hollow-point ammunition. Of course, Nazi officials were exempted from all gun permits. Later that year, after "Kristallnacht," Hitler forbade Jews to possess pretty much any weapons.

To summarize, Hitler did "effect total gun control," but only for the Jews, and only after his regime had been in power for several years. For the rest of the population he relied on laws already in place.

To focus exclusively on gun control is to lose sight of the larger picture. The Nazis controlled EVERYTHING. If you went through the Bill of Rights you'd find that most of them were abridged in Hitler's Germany.

Good lord not this tripe again!

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/



Even if were to agree to this bogus talking point, the idea that the Jews would have been able to fight back an army that kicked the Russian armies ass is laughable!

 

[irishScott]

You don't have to give it up at all.

What would be nice though is some actual common sense requirements to get one rather than just no felony, age 21 and a pulse. For some reason you gun nuts start getting your hose in a bind when some common sense restrictions that would not stop most of you from getting a gun anyway come up.

Because we know from experience that they won't stop there. Everything that happened post Sandy-Hook is a testament to that. Hell the bullshit "may issue" concealed carry permit laws on the books in several states are a testament to that. The New York SAFE act is a massive collection of testaments to that. Right now you could be an ex-Delta Force Medal of Honor Recipient with a squeaky clean psych profile who undergoes continuous training... and New York (as well as California, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island) wouldn't allow you to own a 30 round mag or a non-neutered version of the rifle you train with.

I'd love a government that I could trust to protect my rights despite having extreme authority over me. Let me know when such a thing exists and I will happily submit to licensing for my guns.

 

[pcgeek11]

Maybe their point isn't that your ownership is safe... it's that other people are stupid, AND their stupidity with guns puts us all at risk.
Example... if this happened at the store, no guarantee they are restricted to hitting their parents.

Innocent bystanders are at risk, and the argument is that it should not be tolerated.

Bingo

So we should also outlaw cars, trucks, knives, baseball bats ... and anything else that someone could use as a weapon.

 

[irishScott]

Good lord not this tripe again!

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/



Even if were to agree to this bogus talking point, the idea that the Jews would have been able to fight back an army that kicked the Russian armies ass is laughable!

Tell that to the French Resistance.

 

[ivwshane]

So we should also outlaw cars, trucks, knives, baseball bats ... and anything else that someone could use as a weapon.

 

[irishScott]

So we should also outlaw cars, trucks, knives, baseball bats ... and anything else that someone could use as a weapon.

But those have other uses besides being weapons! So we're willing to endure many times more death so long as society gets some moderate utility out of it. Even going less extreme than an all-out ban, why don't we license SUVs and Hummers in addition to driver's licenses? After all unless you own a boat or a trailer or something you don't need the extra torque, and they are clearly responsible for unnecessary crash deaths due to their size...

 

[ivwshane]

Tell that to the French Resistance.

Do you know anything about the French resistence? Them not having access to guns pre war wouldn't have changed anything. They got their guns from the disbanded french army and their role involved much more than fighting battles.

 

[schmuckley]

This is the US,guns are legal.
People are inbred..it happens.
unfortunately.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Even if were to agree to this bogus talking point, the idea that the Jews would have been able to fight back an army that kicked the Russian armies ass is laughable!

Good Lord not another goofball who doesn`t even bother to read...
Nobody said the Jew`s would be successful...yet there is a lot of truth to what the Germans did concerning the Jews a guns....

 

[ivwshane]

Good Lord not another goofball who doesn`t even bother to read...
Nobody said the Jew`s would be successful...yet there is a lot of truth to what the Germans did concerning the Jews a guns....

The only thing the nazis did to the Jews was to not include them in their relaxed gun laws. The nazis didn't take away guns, they weakened restrictions to them (except for the Jews).

 

[schmuckley]

The only thing the nazis did to the Jews was to not include them in their relaxed gun laws. The nazis didn't take away guns, they weakened restrictions to them (except for the Jews).

Oh yeah,and kill 6 million of them,that's all.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The only thing the nazis did to the Jews was to not include them in their relaxed gun laws. The nazis didn't take away guns, they weakened restrictions to them (except for the Jews).

Not very bright are you??

When the Nazis enacted their own law in 1938, they added restrictions aimed at Jews, such as not allowing Jews to work in any business involving guns. They also prohibited those under eighteen from buying guns, added yet another permit for handguns, and banned silencers and small hollow-point ammunition. Of course, Nazi officials were exempted from all gun permits. Later that year, after "Kristallnacht," Hitler forbade Jews to possess pretty much any weapons.

To summarize, Hitler did "effect total gun control," but only for the Jews, and only after his regime had been in power for several years. For the rest of the population he relied on laws already in place.

 

[nickqt]

Not very bright are you??

When the Nazis enacted their own law in 1938, they added restrictions aimed at Jews, such as not allowing Jews to work in any business involving guns. They also prohibited those under eighteen from buying guns, added yet another permit for handguns, and banned silencers and small hollow-point ammunition. Of course, Nazi officials were exempted from all gun permits. Later that year, after "Kristallnacht," Hitler forbade Jews to possess pretty much any weapons.

To summarize, Hitler did "effect total gun control," but only for the Jews, and only after his regime had been in power for several years. For the rest of the population he relied on laws already in place.

He is not very bright because he basically paraphrased what you said?

The point is that the Nazis didn't enact onerous gun restrictions upon gaining power in 1933. Not that rifles and pistols do a whole lot when a religious minority is vilified all day, every day, for close to half a decade.

Additionally, Islam is evil and Muslims are not to be trusted. We should make them wear identifiers in public so we can feel more at ease as Amuricans. Perhaps a badge on their shirt with a crescent moon and star.

 

[who?]

The father is a convicted felon who isn't supposed to be around guns. The mother had just bought the gun that day.

 

[ivwshane]

Oh yeah,and kill 6 million of them,that's all.

Good job dipshit, you've just showed everyone you have no idea what context is