another ticket...this time not my fault at all

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kermalou

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i got a new car back in august and haven't put plates on the car yet. so i am driving home from a freinds house completely sober at about 1:30.

I get to an intersection and there is a cop to left of me going straight and I am making a right.

i make my right and after right after that the cop makes a right.

i drive for about a little less than .4 miles and make a left to drop someone off and see the lights flashing.

pull over, and i do give the cop some attitute because i had done nothing wrong.

he tells me he was pcing me for half a mile going 50. i was telling the cop i wasn't doing 50, maybe 40 not 50. He takes my license and registration, and takes a while to fill out the form.

From my many many previous tickets I know this can't be good, but I know that it was impossible for me to go 50 and him to pace me at that.

He returns and makes a snide remark about my speedometer being broken becuase of my previous tickets (2 for speeding) and I once again ask him where he started to pace me. he then revises his statement saying it was only a 1/4 mile. I think i might have him.

What is the min. distance a cop needs to pace someone, this on a city street at about 1:30 in the morning;
 
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TechnoKid

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Paciing is a poor method to determine speed unless you can be absolutely sure both yours and his speedometer were calibrated the same, and that he really was goin the same speed as you were at that same time. If he were speeding up to catch you to try and pace you, and doing it fom behind, there is a huge margin of error form the time he thought he was going your speed and the time he paced your for. The best way to "pace" is side by side imo.
 
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Nebor

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If he followed directly behind you for a quarter mile, he could have fvckin radared you. Sounds like he saw an easy target for a ticket and just made some sh!t up (assuming you really weren't speeding.) Your ability to fight it will be greatly hindered by your previous tickets.
 
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Mill

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Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Paciing is a poor method to determine speed unless you can be absolutely sure both yours and his speedometer were calibrated the same, and that he really was goin the same speed as you were at that same time. If he were speeding up to catch you to try and pace you, and doing it fom behind, there is a huge margin of error form the time he thought he was going your speed and the time he paced your for. The best way to "pace" is side by side imo.
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Why would it matter if kermalou's speedo was correct? All that matters was that the Police Officer's was, and they typically check them often. Regardless, not having tags was a MAJOR reason he was pulled over, so he could have done better there. Giving a cop an attitude is also not every smart.
 
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slick230

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Paciing is a poor method to determine speed unless you can be absolutely sure both yours and his speedometer were calibrated the same, and that he really was goin the same speed as you were at that same time. If he were speeding up to catch you to try and pace you, and doing it fom behind, there is a huge margin of error form the time he thought he was going your speed and the time he paced your for. The best way to "pace" is side by side imo.
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Why would it matter if kermalou's speedo was correct? All that matters was that the Police Officer's was, and they typically check them often. Regardless, not having tags was a MAJOR reason he was pulled over, so he could have done better there. Giving a cop an attitude is also not every smart.
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How do you even THINK you can drive a car you got 3 months ago without putting tags on it and NOT get pulled over for something?

Yeah, the cop was just hassling you. :roll:

For being a dumbass.
 
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bapace

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Cop radar will not work accurately when directly behind the person. I have gotten out of 4+ tickets when the judge heard that the cop "radared" me while driving on my @ss. Pacing is the only way a ticket should hold in court if the cop is behind you, and even that can be fought 95% of the time due to no proof. Speedos have to be proven to be calibrated within a certain time frame as well as radar guns. I got out of a ticket where I was radared legitly by a cop, but his radar gun had not been calibrated/checked in a number of months, so the judge threw it out. Just my .02.

-Bapace
 
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edro

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Originally posted by: KMDupont64
Here is a way to stop getting tickets, pay for your own insurance.
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Not me... I had 2 tickets in 3 days about 2 years ago and my insurance didn't go up at all! In fact, it went DOWN a few months later...
 
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Jack Ryan

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Originally posted by: edro13
Originally posted by: KMDupont64
Here is a way to stop getting tickets, pay for your own insurance.
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Not me... I had 2 tickets in 3 days about 2 years ago and my insurance didn't go up at all! In fact, it went DOWN a few months later...
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Mill

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Originally posted by: bapace
Cop radar will not work accurately when directly behind the person. I have gotten out of 4+ tickets when the judge heard that the cop "radared" me while driving on my @ss. Pacing is the only way a ticket should hold in court if the cop is behind you, and even that can be fought 95% of the time due to no proof. Speedos have to be proven to be calibrated within a certain time frame as well as radar guns. I got out of a ticket where I was radared legitly by a cop, but his radar gun had not been calibrated/checked in a number of months, so the judge threw it out. Just my .02.

-Bapace
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You can be radared from behind just fine.
 
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LTC8K6

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How do you think they checked your speed all those years before radar guns were around? The cops did fine without radar for a long time.

Radar/laser works just fine from any direction, even with both cars moving.

There is also VASCAR, which is basically a fancy stopwatch. It simply times you over a known distance.
 
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TheGameIs21

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Originally posted by: kermalou
i got a new car back in august and haven't put plates on the car yet. so i am driving home from a freinds house completely sober at about 1:30.

I get to an intersection and there is a cop to left of me going straight and I am making a right.

i make my right and after right after that the cop makes a right.

i drive for about a little less than .4 miles and make a left to drop someone off and see the lights flashing.

pull over, and i do give the cop some attitute because i had done nothing wrong.

he tells me he was pcing me for half a mile going 50. i was telling the cop i wasn't doing 50, maybe 40 not 50. He takes my license and registration, and takes a while to fill out the form.

From my many many previous tickets I know this can't be good, but I know that it was impossible for me to go 50 and him to pace me at that.

He returns and makes a snide remark about my speedometer being broken becuase of my previous tickets (2 for speeding) and I once again ask him where he started to pace me. he then revises his statement saying it was only a 1/4 mile. I think i might have him.

What is the min. distance a cop needs to pace someone, this on a city street at about 1:30 in the morning;
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Couple of questions...

1. What was the speed limit? Hell, give me a quarter mile and i've looked at my speedometer at least once near top speed. "Maybe 40"? sheesh

2. You were driving with an expired dealer tag, your record isn't too good... Are you sure you want to fight?

3. What part of your brain function kicked in and said "I'll give this man an attitude."? If I were a cop and a punk gave me attitude, I'd look for every little infraction to ticket him/her for.
 
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bapace

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Police radar transmits a radio signal in the microwave band. Upon striking an object some of that signal is reflected back toward the radar and, if that object is moving, a Doppler shift occurs in the radio frequency. The radar then calculates that change in frequency and converts it into either miles per hour or kilometers per hour.

So if a cop is pacing you, he is going the same speed, so radar will not accurately work because the car in front is not moving in relation to the cop car. Only if the driver speeds away or slows down would the radar pick it up accurately. I've seen police "pace" some one and the radar will jump from 25-73 when the person is only doing 40 (actually saw this on the radar, as I was in the passenger seat).

-Bapace
 
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UsandThem

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Look, another "Whine and bitch because I did something fvcking stupid and got a ticket for it" thread!

- M4H
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The every lasting young person "victim" mentality.
 
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bluehorizon

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OMG... you deserve a ticket for being a fvcking lazy dumbass. Get tags for your car and don't give the cop an attitude.

He COULD have made you call a tow truck. Driving without or with expired tags is a pretty big offense. He didn't have to let you drive away at all. Hell, I wouldn't have let you drive away.

Dumbass.
 
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dullard

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I think it is time to update my Kermalou list. Please help me, are there any other driving problem threads I've missed since August? I'm not doing this as a personal attack. I'm doing this as an attempt to make you realize the safety risk you pose to yourself and others (possibly even me).

[*]You admit you Don't put plates on the car,

[*]you admit you drive stoned with drugs in the car,

[*]you admit you don't pay attention,

[*]you admit you speed,

[*]you admit you don't wear seat belts,

[*]you let your 11 year old brother drive,

[*]you have "an urge to ram into every cop on the road, steal some cars, and ROLL THROUGH STOP SIGN AND RED LIGHTS", and

[*]you have a parking ticket problem.

[*]Also you say in another thread that you "know from experience" that once someone drinks and drives they don't stop drinking and driving. Since that doesn't actually say you drink and drive, I won't link to it. But it gives the impression that you might be the one with experience of drinking and driving. I may be wrong, feel free to let me know and I'll delete this last point.
 
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