Another sleazy ad.

[CADsortaGUY]

TV ads tell Latinos to expect 'nada' in child credit rebates

Do these people have no shame? The people that aren't getting the child tax credit advance - either HAVE NO KIDS, or DON'T PAY INCOME TAXES(net)!!!!!!
If you want to redistribute money to people who need help then pass a welfare bill. :|

Well now that the merits of the tax part are laid out for you, lets shift to the other aspect of the ad that is totally BS.

Bush has been pushing for these so-called tax credits(welfare) - so how can they claim "Some children aren't as important to the Bush administration," !!! WTF - this proves they don't care what the truth is, they just want to smear Bush by tricking the public.

Twice in a week telling Bogus stories - shame on you DNC, shame on you.:|


I suppose next week we'll see an ad telling us how Bush doesn't want to help seniors with their prescription drugs

*note - not that I agree with Bush on the prescription drug thing but it would be another whopper told by the DNC if they did run it.

CkG

PS - one more thing from the link - how come the number of people "being left out" keeps changing? According to this article it is now 12 million children.

 

[Bowfinger]

Excuse me, Cad, but it seems to me that the ad is technically accurate. I personally have a little higher standard for lying, but I don't understand where you are coming from. Seems like this is the standard you have applied to Bush-lite and his minions, so what are you objecting to?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Since 1/3 of the population is hispanic, they are letting them know what the other 2/3's already know.
the 'Other Third' would be white trash and blacks that already are aware of the fruits of our society
under this leadership, or lack - thereof,

I personally would like to see some of the benifit of free money go to a financially strapped family
as it may give them a hope for the future, opposed to them commiying a crime, either petty or
homicidal against society, It puts me and my fellow citizen at risk.

Rewarding Corprate America after accepting their bribery in the era of corporate fraud and allow
robbery by Big Businees against our nation should carry the death penalty for that company.
If you're a big enough crook and deceitful enough the punishment is to be rewarded.

Don't even try to say 'It's the American Way' cause it's not at all - It's become that Evil Empire.
People gotta have balls to resist and get rid of the bad element in buisness and government.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Excuse me, Cad, but it seems to me that the ad is technically accurate. I personally have a little higher standard for lying, but I don't understand where you are coming from. Seems like this is the standard you have applied to Bush-lite and his minions, so what are you objecting to?

HTF is it "technically correct"? Who in Bush's admin said that they don't want that tax credit? HMMM - Check yourself Bow.

So you have a higher standard for calling it a lie(which I didn't do ) only when the Dems are grossly taking things out of context(wisc ad) and when they say that someone's admin isn't for something they actually are pushing? Figures.

This ad's only purpose is to misrepresent Bush's intentions. Bush is pushing his own party to pass these "tax-cuts". I don't see how anyone could even think this ad is remotely honest.

CkG

CaptnKirk - Have you missed the fact that Bush is pushing this "tax-cut"? Do you not agree that this ad is then inconsistant with what the truth is?

 

[CaptnKirk]

His tax-cut is bogus, it's his pay-off to those he owes for purchasing his (P)residency.
Don't think for a moment that all those denyed havend paid their share of taxes, what
meager little that they did pay.
Their punishment is for not beong affluent enough to deserve more.

God knows a person knocking down a million a year needs a $ 100,000 write off
on their HumVee more than a sick child needs medicine and health care.

Oh yeah, Bush is pushing it because he knows that his posturing will not
conflict with the resolve of his party to kill it - It's a done deal. He knows full
well that his staff and congressional butt boys DeLay & Hasslips will be able to kill it.
He just has to posture to look blameless. Funny how evryone else runs out to take blame.
Look how many are rushing forward to fall on the Uranium Sword, as they know they'll be
fully rewarded for keeping Georgie Porgie blameless, kind of like Ollie North for Ray-Gun.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
[ ... ]
Twice in a week telling Bogus stories - shame on you DNC, shame on you.:|

One more thing. Since you're suddenly so concerned about truth, you might want to notice that the DNC didn't sponsor the ad. "The Washington-based Center for Community Change, an advocacy group for minorities, paid for the ad."

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
His tax-cut is bogus, it's his pay-off to those he owes for purchasing his (P)residency.
Don't think for a moment that all those denyed havend paid their share of taxes, what
meager little that they did pay.
Their punishment is for not beong affluent enough to deserve more.

God knows a person knocking down a million a year needs a $ 100,000 write off
on their HumVee more than a sick child needs medicine and health care.

The topic is the ad. please keep your anti-bush rhetoric confined to other threads.

It has been proven that the people who aren't getting the child credit tax either don't have kids or don't pay any net income taxes.
Please keep you comments on the child tax credit or the ad. Thanks.

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
[ ... ]
Twice in a week telling Bogus stories - shame on you DNC, shame on you.:|

One more thing. Since you're suddenly so concerned about truth, you might want to notice that the DNC didn't sponsor the ad. "The Washington-based Center for Community Change, an advocacy group for minorities, paid for the ad."

I realize that I apologize for insinuating that the DNC paid for it.

Now back to the topic...

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
[ ... ]
Twice in a week telling Bogus stories - shame on you DNC, shame on you.:|

One more thing. Since you're suddenly so concerned about truth, you might want to notice that the DNC didn't sponsor the ad. "The Washington-based Center for Community Change, an advocacy group for minorities, paid for the ad."

I realize that I apologize for insinuating that the DNC paid for it.

Now back to the topic...

CkG

What topic, exactly? Your premise was wrong. An advocacy group for minorities ran an ad critical of the Bush administration. Where's the beef?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
[ ... ]
Twice in a week telling Bogus stories - shame on you DNC, shame on you.:|

One more thing. Since you're suddenly so concerned about truth, you might want to notice that the DNC didn't sponsor the ad. "The Washington-based Center for Community Change, an advocacy group for minorities, paid for the ad."

I realize that I apologize for insinuating that the DNC paid for it.

Now back to the topic...

CkG

What topic, exactly? Your premise was wrong. An advocacy group for minorities ran an ad critical of the Bush administration. Where's the beef?

The ad blatantly misrepresents Bush's view on the so called "child tax credit". Bush wants it - they say he doesn't.

If you can't understand the topic, please don't post.

CkG

 

[konichiwa]

It's called advertising. Its purpose is to toe the line between truth and falsehood. Call it plausible deniability, call it technically correct, call it opining, or just call it marketing.

Or, if you're you, go on a crusade against it. It'd be analogous to trying to dig to China, but knock yourself out, kiddo!

 

[LunarRay]

CAD...
A reduction in tax rates, an increase in some tax credit or some other taxing hocus pocus is intended to target the $ to a segment of the economy to stimulate that segment. The fact that some person may not have paid tax in the current period but gets a check from the treasury has little to do with the equation if you consider the delta goes to debt... a somewhat futuristic bucket of wonder.. or that the government is simply buying a bunch of $600 hammers... from an economic group of similar income.. but, forgoing the receipt of the hammers..

I think we should be yelling for a greater amount of stimulation and for the Fed (greenspan's boys) to lower the rate to zero... We do have an issue that is becoming agreed upon by more and more economists... disinflation.. deflation.. we must avoid this at all costs...
The fact that some folks get a few bucks that increases the debt is a minor issue... and hopefully will cause inflation.. a more healthy environment than deflation...
IMHO

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
It's called advertising. Its purpose is to toe the line between truth and falsehood. Call it plausible deniability, call it technically correct, call it opining, or just call it marketing.

Or, if you're you, go on a crusade against it. It'd be analogous to trying to dig to China, but knock yourself out, kiddo!

Yeah, it's "just advertising"

I can't wait to hear you squeal like a stuck pig once the real election push hits. You'll be all over Bush and his "attack ads".

Luny - call welfare - welfare then, don't disguise it as a "tax-cut".

CkG

 

[zantac]

If bush really wanted it he'd talk to the repubs in the house to get a vote on it. Repubs already said the child tax credit "ain't gonna happen" said DeLay.

 

[Ferocious]

Both sides do sleazy ads.

Don't be so naive.

 

[tm37]

The problem I have with the ad is that it infers that the reason this was done was because bush doesb't like hispanics.

Yes I know that advertisers bend the truth.

I see this in the same light as the anti-smoking ads that say the cig companies want you to die. Yeah that what every company wants their costomers to do.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: zantac
If bush really wanted it he'd talk to the repubs in the house to get a vote on it. Repubs allready said the child tax credit "ain't gonna happen" said DeLay.

He already had a powwow on it I believe.


Ferocious - I'm not that naive - I've been around to see it from both sides. But that make this OK? So we are starting out this election with 2 blatantly misleading ads? If you guys want to play tough - you'd better get prepared

CkG

 

[Moonbeam]

I call the tax cuts to the rich welfare.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I call the tax cuts to the rich welfare.

Need you be reminded that:
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes
The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income covered under the income tax, are paying 37.42% of the federal tax bite.

Yep welfare

CkG

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I call the tax cuts to the rich welfare.

Need you be reminded that:
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes
The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income covered under the income tax, are paying 37.42% of the federal tax bite.

Yep welfare

CkG

The bottom 50% are being held at a low earning level by the top 50%... the earning disadvantaged would love to pay more in tax... but, they need to earn more to do so... give up the next raise in favor of a wage earner earning less than you... and if everyone does this we'll all be able to pay more tax...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I call the tax cuts to the rich welfare.

Need you be reminded that:
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes
The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income covered under the income tax, are paying 37.42% of the federal tax bite.

Yep welfare

CkG

The bottom 50% are being held at a low earning level by the top 50%... the earning disadvantaged would love to pay more in tax... but, they need to earn more to do so... give up the next raise in favor of a wage earner earning less than you... and if everyone does this we'll all be able to pay more tax...

Hehehe - so the cycle climbs ever higher

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Grrrrrrrrr! Oh Cad, so mad. Well, you know politics is a nasty game. I expect we'll have a vicious little fight on our hands over the next 15-16 months...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Grrrrrrrrr! Oh Cad, so mad. Well, you know politics is a nasty game. I expect we'll have a vicious little fight on our hands over the next 15-16 months...

If you only knew



CkG

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I call the tax cuts to the rich welfare.

Need you be reminded that:
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes
The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income covered under the income tax, are paying 37.42% of the federal tax bite.

Yep welfare

CkG

The bottom 50% are being held at a low earning level by the top 50%... the earning disadvantaged would love to pay more in tax... but, they need to earn more to do so... give up the next raise in favor of a wage earner earning less than you... and if everyone does this we'll all be able to pay more tax...

Right. I suppose we'd all be millionaires in a few years. Sure. So why don't you give up your next raise and tell the boss to give it to the clean up crew that comes in at night?
How are the bottom 50% being held down? By not being as good at running a business as someone rich? By not working as hard? By not being as smart? By not being as good with handling their money and affairs?
Did it occur to you that a large portion of that bottom 50% is perfectly happy right where they are? Sure, they'd like to be a millionaire, but have no desire to take the risk to open a business, invest in some else's business, etc. etc.
I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that another significant portion is simply not capable of what it takes to get rich.
Sure, there is an upper class in America, just like every other society in the history of man. Always has been, always will be. There are always people who are born rich.
So what.
There are always people who are born poor. I'd be willing to bet that in the United States of America, you could find 100+times more examples of poor people who made themselves rich than vice-versa. That's why they call it the American Dream.

 

[mosco]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I call the tax cuts to the rich welfare.

Need you be reminded that:
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes
The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income covered under the income tax, are paying 37.42% of the federal tax bite.

Yep welfare

CkG

The bottom 50% are being held at a low earning level by the top 50%... the earning disadvantaged would love to pay more in tax... but, they need to earn more to do so... give up the next raise in favor of a wage earner earning less than you... and if everyone does this we'll all be able to pay more tax...

Right. I suppose we'd all be millionaires in a few years. Sure. So why don't you give up your next raise and tell the boss to give it to the clean up crew that comes in at night?
How are the bottom 50% being held down? By not being as good at running a business as someone rich? By not working as hard? By not being as smart? By not being as good with handling their money and affairs?
Did it occur to you that a large portion of that bottom 50% is perfectly happy right where they are? Sure, they'd like to be a millionaire, but have no desire to take the risk to open a business, invest in some else's business, etc. etc.
I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that another significant portion is simply not capable of what it takes to get rich.
Sure, there is an upper class in America, just like every other society in the history of man. Always has been, always will be. There are always people who are born rich.
So what.
There are always people who are born poor. I'd be willing to bet that in the United States of America, you could find 100+times more examples of poor people who made themselves rich than vice-versa. That's why they call it the American Dream.

he does kinda have a point, People are getting fired and such while execs are still making more money than they can spend.