Another sleazy ad.

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I call the tax cuts to the rich welfare.

Need you be reminded that:
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes
The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income covered under the income tax, are paying 37.42% of the federal tax bite.

Yep welfare

CkG

The bottom 50% are being held at a low earning level by the top 50%... the earning disadvantaged would love to pay more in tax... but, they need to earn more to do so... give up the next raise in favor of a wage earner earning less than you... and if everyone does this we'll all be able to pay more tax...

Right. I suppose we'd all be millionaires in a few years. Sure. So why don't you give up your next raise and tell the boss to give it to the clean up crew that comes in at night?
How are the bottom 50% being held down? By not being as good at running a business as someone rich? By not working as hard? By not being as smart? By not being as good with handling their money and affairs?
Did it occur to you that a large portion of that bottom 50% is perfectly happy right where they are? Sure, they'd like to be a millionaire, but have no desire to take the risk to open a business, invest in some else's business, etc. etc.
I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that another significant portion is simply not capable of what it takes to get rich.
Sure, there is an upper class in America, just like every other society in the history of man. Always has been, always will be. There are always people who are born rich.
So what.
There are always people who are born poor. I'd be willing to bet that in the United States of America, you could find 100+times more examples of poor people who made themselves rich than vice-versa. That's why they call it the American Dream.

Well.. OK the American dream comes with a price... you get to pay more in income tax then the folks earning less... you pay for the opportunity to enjoy more because you are more... intelligent, driven, educated, blessed with rich parents, or what ever criteria you feel comfortable including or excluding... the point is... the more ya make the more ya pay... sorta evens out the less - for whatever reason- fortunate...

BTW the Nauga of a South Sea Island have only one class of economic folk... they all work in the Islands only economic endeavor and they all share the available food and shelter ... all on par with each other.. they pay no tax... but, if they did they say they would be taxed equally... unless some one decided they should earn more... in that case they must pay more for that variation... something about the equilibrium of life...

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: mosco

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I call the tax cuts to the rich welfare.

Need you be reminded that:
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes
The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income covered under the income tax, are paying 37.42% of the federal tax bite.

Yep welfare

CkG

The bottom 50% are being held at a low earning level by the top 50%... the earning disadvantaged would love to pay more in tax... but, they need to earn more to do so... give up the next raise in favor of a wage earner earning less than you... and if everyone does this we'll all be able to pay more tax...

Right. I suppose we'd all be millionaires in a few years. Sure. So why don't you give up your next raise and tell the boss to give it to the clean up crew that comes in at night?
How are the bottom 50% being held down? By not being as good at running a business as someone rich? By not working as hard? By not being as smart? By not being as good with handling their money and affairs?
Did it occur to you that a large portion of that bottom 50% is perfectly happy right where they are? Sure, they'd like to be a millionaire, but have no desire to take the risk to open a business, invest in some else's business, etc. etc.
I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that another significant portion is simply not capable of what it takes to get rich.
Sure, there is an upper class in America, just like every other society in the history of man. Always has been, always will be. There are always people who are born rich.
So what.
There are always people who are born poor. I'd be willing to bet that in the United States of America, you could find 100+times more examples of poor people who made themselves rich than vice-versa. That's why they call it the American Dream.

he does kinda have a point, People are getting fired and such while execs are still making more money than they can spend.

Sure. There are greedy people in all walks of life. There are rich execs that give each other perks and then lay off workers, and there are mid-management butt kissers who use their departments' budgets to give each other raises, while letting the non-butt-kissers stay where they are or get laid off, too. Everything is relative. It happens, as I said, in all walks of life.....that doesn't make it right, but it does happen. The CEO's that do this are the ones who get the press, though, and rightly so, since they can affect more people.
This really doesn't have anything to do with my original point, though.

 

[CaptnKirk]

CAD -
You ask me a question - I answer it.
It dosen't meet your standard, so I'm BUSH BASHING ?
You are a bonehead if you are not willing to accept any truth
that dosen't put Bush in a Holier than Thou light.

I'll say it again - Bush is a Corporate Puppet.
The add points it out. All for the Wealthy Bush Buyers,
and to hell with anyone who can't afford to pay his entry fee.

I don't think that you've lived long enough to call on experience to guide your thoughts.
What did you study in school ? Classes from Gingrich ?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
CAD -
You ask me a question - I answer it.
It dosen't meet your standard, so I'm BUSH BASHING ?
You are a bonehead if you are not willing to accept any truth
that dosen't put Bush in a Holier than Thou light.

I'll say it again - Bush is a Corporate Puppet.
The add points it out. All for the Wealthy Bush Buyers,
and to hell with anyone who can't afford to pay his entry fee.

I don't think that you've lived long enough to call on experience to guide your thoughts.
What did you study in school ? Classes from Gingrich ?

<sigh>
Anti-bush rhetoric somehow gets twisted to bush bashing? Now I understand how you think an ad about Bush supposedly saying he doesn't care about minorities enough to give them a tax credit even though Bush wants to give it to them.

Have you read anything in this thread?
I don't agree with the "tax-cuts" for people who don't pay taxes! Kinda different from Bush's view, huh?
How about my prescription drug quip? Hmmmm - oh looky, I disagree with Bush again! twice in one post! Surely the world is due to stop rotating around the sun.
You really don't have a clue, do you. Just keep spewing the rhetoric, surely some will be uninformed enough to believe your tripe.

CkG

 

[CaptnKirk]

What part of Political Blameless posturing by Bush don't you understand.
He can say he's for it all he wants to stay clean and spottless in the public eye
while having his people work behind the scenes to guarantee it won't go through.
That way he says "I Supported it" while at the same time he actually knew it
was a no issue, and was not going to be made available. It's his way of politics.
Read the history of what he has done and remember what his record really is.

 

[RDWYTruckDriver]

You really don't have a clue, do you. Just keep spewing the rhetoric, surely some will be uninformed enough to believe your tripe.

Many here want nothing more than to bring the other side down. It really shows that these people really don't care for others. It's just a game they want to play. CADkindaGUY, Your thread here is understood by some here.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I sure wouldn't want Truckdrivers endorsement of understanding on my way of thinking.
That's too scary.

 

[RDWYTruckDriver]

Only you and others like you can undestand your way of thinking ! ..... And that " is " scary !

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I call the tax cuts to the rich welfare.

link for the learning impaired

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
What part of Political Blameless posturing by Bush don't you understand.
He can say he's for it all he wants to stay clean and spottless in the public eye
while having his people work behind the scenes to guarantee it won't go through.
That way he says "I Supported it" while at the same time he actually knew it
was a no issue, and was not going to be made available. It's his way of politics.
Read the history of what he has done and remember what his record really is.

If you haven't figured it out by now, when Bush says he's going to do something, he means it. If you can't/won't believe it then you are probably beyond help. Some politicians actually mean what they say and expect people to take it as face value. It is sad to see your cynicism has corrupted your whole mindset.

CkG

 

[CaptnKirk]

Quote:
If you haven't figured it out by now, when Bush says he's going to do something, he means it.

That's correct - no matter how wrong, irrevelent, or stupid it is, he does it.
Then all around him look for where to place the blame to cover for his poor decisions.

Kinda like the bully in high school who threatens to beat people up after school,
picks on those who he knows can't defend themselves, and then hides behind
Big Bubbas who will defend him when people come looking for reason and expanations.
He's a spoiled brat who never has had to answer for his actions.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Quote:
<STRONG>If you haven't figured it out by now, when Bush says he's going to do something, he means it.</STRONG>

That's correct - no matter how wrong, irrevelent, or stupid it is, he does it.
Then all around him look for where to place the blame to cover for his poor decisions.

Kinda like the bully in high school who threatens to beat people up after school,
picks on those who he knows can't defend themselves, and then hides behind
Big Bubbas who will defend him when people come looking for reason and expanations.
He's a spoiled brat who never has had to answer for his actions.

And this has what to do with the ad or the "tax-cut" ?

Keep your rhetoric spew confined to the other threads, this one was about ads and taxes.

Don't let truth's door hit you in the @ss on the way out.

CkG

 

[CaptnKirk]

God CAD you are such a bonehead.
I'm not wasting any more time on your thickness.
You don't get it and never will.
It is impossible to educate those who refuse to learn anything.
Another product of our school system.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
God CAD you are such a bonehead.
I'm not wasting any more time on your thickness.
You don't get it and never will.
It is impossible to educate those who refuse to learn anything.
Another product of our school system.

Do you have a reading problem? You are going off on tangents that aren't part of the discussion. Get over your hate and look at the specific issue - this isn't about how Bush is some big bad guy over all - this is about specifically the "tax-cut credit" and the misrepresentation of his position.

Thanks for leaving this thread though

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

The pressure started after President Bush signed a tax cut that increased the $600 child tax credit to $1,000. It authorized the Treasury Department to send advance refunds worth up to $400 per child to families who qualify for the bigger credit. The checks will start to go out at the end of July.

But families making between $10,500 and $27,000 do not pay enough income taxes to take advantage of the bigger credit and would not get a refund check this summer.

The Senate responded to the omission with a quick fix that would send rebates to low-income families later this year. Low-income families could claim payments worth 15 percent of their income over $10,500, up to $1,000 per child. The Treasury Department said it couldn't send a second round of checks until September.

The House rejected the Senate's solution and drafted a bill that includes the bigger credits for low-income workers but does not make any provision for the families to get rebate checks this year. Those families would have to claim the bigger credit when they file their taxes in 2004.

Edit: Source: cbsnews.com

So, basically the House Republicans killed it. Although it seems to me that Bush would have known it would only apply to those taxpayers who qualify (i.e. $27K+/yr). Not completely sure on that point, maybe someone could elaborate.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The pressure started after President Bush signed a tax cut that increased the $600 child tax credit to $1,000. It authorized the Treasury Department to send advance refunds worth up to $400 per child to families who qualify for the bigger credit. The checks will start to go out at the end of July.

But families making between $10,500 and $27,000 do not pay enough income taxes to take advantage of the bigger credit and would not get a refund check this summer.

The Senate responded to the omission with a quick fix that would send rebates to low-income families later this year. Low-income families could claim payments worth 15 percent of their income over $10,500, up to $1,000 per child. The Treasury Department said it couldn't send a second round of checks until September.

The House rejected the Senate's solution and drafted a bill that includes the bigger credits for low-income workers but does not make any provision for the families to get rebate checks this year. Those families would have to claim the bigger credit when they file their taxes in 2004.

Edit: Source: cbsnews.com

So, basically the House Republicans killed it. Although it seems to me that Bush would have known it would only apply to those taxpayers who qualify (i.e. $27K+/yr). Not completely sure on that point, maybe someone could elaborate.

Bush pushes child tax credit

President Bush sent a signal to House Republican leaders Monday he wants them to move quickly on enacting a child tax credit for low income Americans.

Ari said this:

But he wants to make certain that this does not get slowed down, bogged down. He wants to sign it.

Yep - Bush doesn't want to give these people the tax credit.

The ad(original topic) is bogus.

CkG

*Note - again, I think the extra "tax-cut credit" is wrong. <gasp> I don't agree with Bush!