Another shopping for expensive item while young and black in NY city except...

[SheHateMe]

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

That's one way to explain the situation. :whiste:

 

[HomerJS]

That is what the race brigadiers want. Not equality, but the inability to treat someone of a certain skin color like everyone else.


They want special treatment. To help solve the problem of being treated differently. All of which has not been an issue during most if not all of their lifetimes.

I had no idea not being perp walked out of a department store was "special treatment".

 

[SheHateMe]

I had no idea not being perp walked out of a department store was "special treatment".

He was simply "assisted" in leaving the store 😛

 

[nehalem256]

I'm not racist. My Gynecologist is white!

Isn't that a little like saying: "I'm not racist. I have a lot of black servants"?:awe:

 

[HomerJS]

He was simply "assisted" in leaving the store 😛

Advice for young black people who want to purchase expensive items in stores, bring a white friend. Advice Chris Rock gave in preventing DWBs!

 

[cubby1223]

"I am against discrimination of any kind, but if I make snap judgements, no matter who it’s towards, aren’t I committing the same sin as someone who profiles?" - Jay Z
"I'd call Jay-Z an "Uncle Tom" but that would falsely suggest he was (still) black." - random internet comment

Problems are everywhere, you're guilty for being involved, you're guilty for not being involved. Whomever thinks the same as the comment above is most certainly a problem in the racial divide in this country.




If the store were guaranteed the money from a purchase, the store would welcome anyone and everyone with cash to spend. But it's not like that, they have to look for potential fraud, because they have the stats, they know a certain percentage of merchandise is stolen every week. If that percentage goes too high then they all lose their jobs.

It's a situation where as an employee if you don't question anyone you risk losing your job, and if you question the wrong person you also risk losing your job. It's a guessing game and they guessed wrong in this situation.

The solution to the problem in this news article is unionization to protect the employees from being wrongfully fired, alleviating them from the pressures of eliminating fraud (but opening up the suspicion that employees are in on the fraud, and the company refuses to hire anyone with even a hint of a questionable background). But the root cause remains that theft does occur regularly at stores, and problems will continue to exist so long as stores are denied payment for fraudulent purchases (which is understandable, otherwise it's easy to set up inside jobs to rip off credit card companies). Eliminate theft and everything gets immensely better (except eliminating theft is damn difficult, practically impossible to do).



I know here in Chicago many of the stores along Michigan Avenue have policies that employees cannot under any circumstance pursue thieves, because the cost involved in cleaning up the situation is greater than the cost of the merchandise stolen - so what happens next? It encourages thieves to steal while hard-working honest citizens are continuously penalized. There is no easy solution while we continuously fight amongst ourselves.

 

[Svnla]

I am soooo outrage that no one profiled me. So mad and upset now, let burn the motherf***** down and keep it real, yo.

<pulling down pants to the ankle, putting baseball hat on - backward and slightly off centered, grapping crotch area with one hand while flashing gangtsa sign with the other hand, walking sideway> 😀

 

[DominionSeraph]

It's not 1950. Yes, some small percentage of people are racist. In my honest opinion it's about equal between the rainbow of colors we have around nowadays.

Says the person with 3300 posts in the stormfront thread.

That is what the race brigadiers want. Not equality, but the inability to treat someone of a certain skin color like everyone else.


They want special treatment. To help solve the problem of being treated differently. All of which has not been an issue during most if not all of their lifetimes.

That you don't recognize your racism doesn't make you not a racist, it's what enables your racism.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Says the person with 3300 posts in the stormfront thread.

Zimmerman was Latin. And he was being railroaded by a racist lynch mob.


Why does it bother you that an innocent man was justly exonerated? I can think of one obvious reason.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Zimmerman was Latin. And he was being railroaded by a racist lynch mob.

See, you're so racist that you can't even comprehend what the issue was.

 

[HomerJS]

"I am against discrimination of any kind, but if I make snap judgements, no matter who it’s towards, aren’t I committing the same sin as someone who profiles?" - Jay Z
"I'd call Jay-Z an "Uncle Tom" but that would falsely suggest he was (still) black." - random internet comment

Problems are everywhere, you're guilty for being involved, you're guilty for not being involved. Whomever thinks the same as the comment above is most certainly a problem in the racial divide in this country.




If the store were guaranteed the money from a purchase, the store would welcome anyone and everyone with cash to spend. But it's not like that, they have to look for potential fraud, because they have the stats, they know a certain percentage of merchandise is stolen every week. If that percentage goes too high then they all lose their jobs.

It's a situation where as an employee if you don't question anyone you risk losing your job, and if you question the wrong person you also risk losing your job. It's a guessing game and they guessed wrong in this situation.

The solution to the problem in this news article is unionization to protect the employees from being wrongfully fired, alleviating them from the pressures of eliminating fraud (but opening up the suspicion that employees are in on the fraud, and the company refuses to hire anyone with even a hint of a questionable background). But the root cause remains that theft does occur regularly at stores, and problems will continue to exist so long as stores are denied payment for fraudulent purchases (which is understandable, otherwise it's easy to set up inside jobs to rip off credit card companies). Eliminate theft and everything gets immensely better (except eliminating theft is damn difficult, practically impossible to do).



I know here in Chicago many of the stores along Michigan Avenue have policies that employees cannot under any circumstance pursue thieves, because the cost involved in cleaning up the situation is greater than the cost of the merchandise stolen - so what happens next? It encourages thieves to steal while hard-working honest citizens are continuously penalized. There is no easy solution while we continuously fight amongst ourselves.

Hmm, I'm not that bright but calling AMEX would have been resonable instead of making an instant crinimal out of Rob.

 

[cubby1223]

Hmm, I'm not that bright but calling AMEX would have been resonable instead of making an instant crinimal out of Rob.

I once called AMEX about a known stolen credit card number and it took freakin' forever to get anyone at AMEX to listen to me.

While I was helping set up an ecommerce website for someone, before we even launched the site someone found it and an order came through for shipping to Nigeria, using an Amex credit card.

I wanted to do the responsible thing, call AMEX, report the number, nobody I could get to talk too had any interest.

If you want to talk to AMEX, you're looking at a lengthy conversation, in which the person in question is long gone, unless he has been detained.

Your "solution" doesn't work either. But thanks for pretending to have the answers.

 

[HomerJS]

I once called AMEX about a known stolen credit card number and it took freakin' forever to get anyone at AMEX to listen to me.

While I was helping set up an ecommerce website for someone, before we even launched the site someone found it and an order came through for shipping to Nigeria, using an Amex credit card.

I wanted to do the responsible thing, call AMEX, report the number, nobody I could get to talk too had any interest.

If you want to talk to AMEX, you're looking at a lengthy conversation, in which the person in question is long gone, unless he has been detained.

Your "solution" doesn't work either. But thanks for pretending to have the answers.

Oh please! Macys as a MAJOR client will have a special number/contact to resolve issues. AMEX would not want to lose that business.

 

[umbrella39]

It can happen to white people btw:


of course when it happens to white people they don't get all butt-hurt about it


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...hotel-confused-homeless-man-article-1.1428681

Could you be any more clueless? Having a long beard and being considered potentially homeless has what to do with race again. Try reading the post again but this time take the sheet off or ask Spatial for a better pair of scissors.

 

[SheHateMe]

Could you be any more clueless? Having a long beard and being considered potentially homeless has what to do with race again. Try reading the post again but this time take the sheet off or ask Spatial for a better pair of scissors.

Plus he simply was kicked out of the hotel. He wasn't arrested after he left or cuffed while he was still inside and taken to lockup.

 

[Orignal Earl]

See, you're so racist that you can't even comprehend what the issue was.

I've come to the conclusion the only way people end up like SA is from an almost total social isolation.
They will argue back and say they have lots of friends in real life and get out all the time.
But Their idea of friends and getting out is totally different then mine, they go to get groceries and their friends are the clerk who says hello to them.
This can't be fixed on the Internet

 

[cubby1223]

Oh please! Macys as a MAJOR client will have a special number/contact to resolve issues. AMEX would not want to lose that business.

You freakin' kidding? Amex is a major credit card company, Macy's cannot drop their services.

It takes significant time to do any fraud check especially if the credit card number has not been reported stolen, and now you're making it Amex's responsibility to determine if the purchase is fraud or not on the spot, shifting the liability from the store to the credit card company, they're not going to openly accept that responsibility on a quick phone call.

But again, thanks for pretending to have the solutions. I said unionization, which shields the employees from the responsibility of fraud prevention, and doesn't detain the customer for any length of time. There are other problems, but what you suggest, to work, demands detaining the customer.

 

[Phokus]

Why the hell does AT tolerate race baiters like spatiallyaware/geo spatial (who almost got perm banned for basically being a white supremacist)/spidey?

 

[Fayd]

It takes significant time to do any fraud check especially if the credit card number has not been reported stolen, and now you're making it Amex's responsibility to determine if the purchase is fraud or not on the spot, shifting the liability from the store to the credit card company, they're not going to openly accept that responsibility on a quick phone call.

actually, companies like AMEX do fraud checks on every swipe. I attended a seminar recently by SAS Business Services (San Diego) on this exact topic.

 

[cubby1223]

actually, companies like AMEX do fraud checks on every swipe. I attended a seminar recently by SAS Business Services (San Diego) on this exact topic.

And cards swiped came back clean to the store, but just because it came back clean doesn't guarantee it's a legitimate purchase, and the store, not amex, is still on the hook for the lost costs if it turns out to be fraudulent. And to do the secondary fraud check takes time. That's what I was referring to, fraud checks after it comes back clean from the credit card company. The store has the records, they know exactly which purchases turn out to be fraud, they just don't have any way to accurately identify them between the time the purchase is made and the time the customer exits the store.

If you unionize the store, you at least alleviate some pressure on the employees risking taking action against losing their job.

 

[Linux23]

could you be any more clueless? Having a long beard and being considered potentially homeless has what to do with race again. Try reading the post again but this time take the sheet off or ask spatial for a better pair of scissors.

lmmfao! :d

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Why the hell does AT tolerate race baiters like spatiallyaware/geo spatial (who almost got perm banned for basically being a white supremacist)/spidey?

How dare we have people of differing opinions to yours. If they don't agree with your beliefs, silence them!


:disgust;

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

And cards swiped came back clean to the store, but just because it came back clean doesn't guarantee it's a legitimate purchase, and the store, not amex, is still on the hook for the lost costs if it turns out to be fraudulent. And to do the secondary fraud check takes time. That's what I was referring to, fraud checks after it comes back clean from the credit card company. The store has the records, they know exactly which purchases turn out to be fraud, they just don't have any way to accurately identify them between the time the purchase is made and the time the customer exits the store.

If you unionize the store, you at least alleviate some pressure on the employees risking taking action against losing their job.

Do you know what "unionize" means in this context? It means have some lawyers around to clean up the situation. That's it. Indirectly, a company would only want this because everyone could roll their eyes and say "Oh god, it's another union being irrationally stupid" instead of blame being placed on the retailer.

Either way, unions can DIAF - and they will.

 

[SheHateMe]

How dare we have people of differing opinions to yours. If they don't agree with your beliefs, silence them!


:disgust;

Isn't that exactly what you and your friends do when we try to have forum threads like this one? You and your buddies don't waste time hijacking threads like these.

 

[bshole]

Do you really think all burnt umber and darker people just flat out get arrested like this simply for the color of their skin?

Um in this case it is PATENTLY obvious that he was arrested for shopping while black. Why in the hell would you even attempt to deny this? Especially given the store's history? Do you really hate black people so much that you sincerely believe they can't be persecuted? That is some fucked up thinking man.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...uffed-making-legit-purchase-article-1.1496735

It’s not the first time Macy’s has come under fire for its stores’ private policing practices. In 2005, after an investigation by then-state Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, the retailer paid $600,000 to settle a complaint that its New York department stores profiled customers based on race, and handcuffed and detained those suspected of shoplifting.