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Another Shooting: Garlic Festival in Gilroy, California

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Juiblex said:
Not sure of the source, as I just googled it, but I was curious to see what happened in other areas that banned guns:

https://crimeresearch.org/2016/04/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

Not really surprised.
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Yeah right. Get a view from an extreme right website.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/crime-prevention-research-center/

and from the guy they call
"Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott
 
SlowSpyder said:
No, I have a few guns, I shoot maybe a few times a year. I doubt I will ever need my guns for a self defense situation and keep them unloaded and stored at my house. I don't want any innocent victims of gun crimes any more than you do. I just don't blame the method, I blame the person causing the harm. And in America, our ways to address problems shouldn't be to continue to erode constitutional rights. People that want to kill and have an opportunity to attack unsuspecting victims by surprise will kill.
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Now that is funny coming from you......
 
SlowSpyder said:
Do you think there'd be more or fewer suicides if free speech was restricted so that we could only say nice things to each other?

The answer can't always be to take away rights, as you are so ready to do with rights that you don't personally have any affinity for. The fix for gun violence comes from improving society.

By the way, 1300 people (100+ of those innocent victims of second hand smoke) will die today due to tobacco, none of you care. It doesn't further your agenda. No Democrat politician cares, they haven't told you to care about it so you don't.
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#fuckofftroll
 
Juiblex said:
Not sure of the source, as I just googled it, but I was curious to see what happened in other areas that banned guns:

https://crimeresearch.org/2016/04/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

Not really surprised.
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It's a pro-gun site (John Lott is a notorious gun fetishist), and I'm highly suspicious of how they present the data.

They make it seem as if there were steep spikes in murder following gun bans, when really the changes were frequently small. They could argue that gun bans didn't have much effect, but this notion that they spiked to a significant degree is usually misleading. I'd add that these are general murder rates and not gun murder rates.

It also ignores things like the level of existing gun regulation before those specific bans took effect. The UK already had strict gun legislation decades before 1997, and that's part of why gun violence rates were relatively low to start with.

More importantly, they're trying to prove something they can't using the data they have -- that murder rates would have been better if legal guns had been more accessible. For all we know, murder rates could have been worse in these countries. It certainly sidesteps certain realities, such as the near-total elimination of mass murders in Australia after that country cracked down on guns.
 
That was some outstanding trigger control by the responding officers, who despite outnumbering the shooter were still confronting the business end of a semi-auto .30 cal with sidearms. No cowards about to retire there.

It's another sad tragedy, but thanks to those LEOs it wasn't much, much worse.
 
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fskimospy said:
Sure thing!

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11524-014-9865-8



https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302703



I can also show similar effects with suicide risk if you're interested. Now that you're armed with this new information and are surely a person who reasons logically rather than emotionally how does this information change your opinion about gun laws?
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I thought you were for euthanasia? Why do you want to restrict others' healthcare choices, the right to made decisions for their own body?
 
SlowSpyder said:
Do you think there'd be more or fewer suicides if free speech was restricted so that we could only say nice things to each other?

The answer can't always be to take away rights, as you are so ready to do with rights that you don't personally have any affinity for. The fix for gun violence comes from improving society.

By the way, 1300 people (100+ of those innocent victims of second hand smoke) will die today due to tobacco, none of you care. It doesn't further your agenda. No Democrat politician cares, they haven't told you to care about it so you don't.
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Great point. Because attending high school or a garlic festival and getting murdered is even close to chronically killing yourself with nicotine that the tobacco companies got you addicted to.
 
esquared said:
I doubt that. Looks like another right wing nutter.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting-suspect-165735444.html

"In his last post, Legan also complained of paved-over nature and towns “overcrowd[ed]” with “hoards of mestizos and Silicon Valley white twats.” Some fascists, particularly those who follow the hyper-egoist school of thought laid out in Legan’s recommended book, criticize industrialization and Silicon Valley lifestyles as “degenerate.” "
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I did say it was a guess.

😉
 
nOOky said:
Great point. Because attending high school or a garlic festival and getting murdered is even close to chronically killing yourself with nicotine that the tobacco companies got you addicted to.
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About four times as many people die from second hand smoke than are murdered with guns in this country every year. I only ever include all smoking deaths when suicide by firearm is brought up (in which case smoking kills >10x as many people. And no anti-2A Democrat politician cares about that much bigger killer).
 
SlowSpyder said:
About four times as many people die from second hand smoke than are murdered with guns in this country every year. I only ever include all smoking deaths when suicide by firearm is brought up (in which case smoking kills >10x as many people. And no anti-2A Democrat politician cares about that much bigger killer).
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Okay then, how many Republican politicians then do you think care about second hand smoking deaths? I've not really seen a solution out of them for gun related deaths, smoking related deaths, heart disease related deaths, etc. But I suppose since the Democrats are the only ones that actually try to at least do anything to help people (those bastards) cutting taxes for the rich will suffice for now for the R's.
 
SlowSpyder said:
About four times as many people die from second hand smoke than are murdered with guns in this country every year. I only ever include all smoking deaths when suicide by firearm is brought up (in which case smoking kills >10x as many people. And no anti-2A Democrat politician cares about that much bigger killer).
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if this red herrign works on you, a pants shitting retard, why would you think it works on us?
 
yup. Another very fine nazis. but its antifa thats the problem. If you are republican now you are unamerican. There is no other way. You are the enemy.
 
SlowSpyder said:
About four times as many people die from second hand smoke than are murdered with guns in this country every year. I only ever include all smoking deaths when suicide by firearm is brought up (in which case smoking kills >10x as many people. And no anti-2A Democrat politician cares about that much bigger killer).
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you are the dumbest human.
 
DrDoug said:
Come on, people! Have you no shame? Shorty and Slow are right! It's too soon after the shooting to be talking about gun control, instead you should be sending tots and pears out to the victims so that you can feel like you've actually done something.

Then you can go back to living your lives and forget about this horrible interruption.
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https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/136/Non-Sequitur

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/169/Strawman-Fallacy
 
Lets add this up.
We have the divisive hate from Donald Trump, and we have the NRA handing out AK-47's to every nutcase that wants one with no questions asked, and we have people in a crowd having fun.
Put that altogether and what do you have?
Just another day.
 
Juiblex said:
Not sure of the source, as I just googled it, but I was curious to see what happened in other areas that banned guns:

https://crimeresearch.org/2016/04/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

Not really surprised.
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That seems a silly argument.

The handgun ban after Dunblane was never intended to be about reducing the overall homicide rate - how could it, as handguns were not a significant factor in homicides in the first place, as very few people have them?

The point was simply to reduce the likelihood of another Dunblane, a single spree-killing by one of the small number of legal gun-owners.

(Personally I find it frustrating that such handguns were not banned after the Hungerford massacre, along with semi-auto rifles. If they'd done so it's very likely Dunblane itself would not have happened or would have been less deadly. It's as if the authorities will only ban the precise type of firearm that was used in the most-recent massacre).

So it's a bit silly to produce a graph purporting to show that the ban didn't do something that it was never intended to do, in a context where such guns were already vastly less common than the US.

What such bans do, it seems to me, is help bolster existing cultural traits by suppressing the growth of a gun culture.
 
SlowSpyder said:
About four times as many people die from second hand smoke than are murdered with guns in this country every year. I only ever include all smoking deaths when suicide by firearm is brought up (in which case smoking kills >10x as many people. And no anti-2A Democrat politician cares about that much bigger killer).
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#fuckkkofftroll
 
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