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TheVrolok

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I think we need to just be open and honest these days, "Pretty minor sacrifice, meh, worth it for no changes."
 

SlowSpyder

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Okay then, how many Republican politicians then do you think care about second hand smoking deaths? I've not really seen a solution out of them for gun related deaths, smoking related deaths, heart disease related deaths, etc. But I suppose since the Democrats are the only ones that actually try to at least do anything to help people (those bastards) cutting taxes for the rich will suffice for now for the R's.


I don't think anyone cares about smoking deaths. That's kind of the point. A much bigger killer of innocent victims and those that cause self harm, no one cares. Guns? The left is laser focused on this much smaller killer because they don't like guns. It isn't about saving lives, it is about limiting liberties that the right likes, it is petty partisan bs. Much bigger killer? No one cares. Significantly smaller killer? Rape the constitution.
 

SlowSpyder

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Oh look, you didn’t actually care about evidence. I for one am totally shocked.


I wouldn't say I don't care, but I don't care that much about self harm. That is someone's personal choice. I'm more concerned about the prescription you would apply to lower firearms homicide.
 

fskimospy

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I wouldn't say I don't care, but I don't care that much about self harm. That is someone's personal choice. I'm more concerned about the prescription you would apply to lower firearms homicide.

Lol you didn’t even read my post then as it addressed both.

So yes, if you’re so lazy that you can’t even distinguish between whether something says homicide or suicide you don’t care about evidence.
 

nOOky

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I don't think anyone cares about smoking deaths. That's kind of the point. A much bigger killer of innocent victims and those that cause self harm, no one cares. Guns? The left is laser focused on this much smaller killer because they don't like guns. It isn't about saving lives, it is about limiting liberties that the right likes, it is petty partisan bs. Much bigger killer? No one cares. Significantly smaller killer? Rape the constitution.

I think you're confused. Plenty of people on the left own guns. The whole point is not to limit liberties of gun owners, but to stop people from being murdered. If I wish to smoke and kill myself slowly that's my business, but I don't feel the need to have my head taken apart by some whacko with a gun because I wanted to go see a Batman movie. Do you understand the difference?

If the deranged right wingers that love Trump would stop murdering people like this it wouldn't be an issue.
 
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In other news, another shooting, this time at a Walmart in Mississippi.


Thoughts and prayers, and second hand smoke kills even more people.

Did I cover it all?

No, you forgot some stuff:

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Anyhow, Reason #54237984 that I haven't been to a Walmart in 10+ years.
 

brandonbull

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Yet another nutjob, inflamed by right wing propaganda, shoots up a public place. No doubt the 'conservative media' whose irresponsible rhetoric drove him over the edge is again laying the blame on the usual scapegoats of antifa and Bernie.

From what I saw, it wasn't right-wing propaganda that was on his mind.
 

umbrella39

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“Read Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard,” Legan posted on his Instagram page. He then used a slurs against mixed-race people and misogynistic descriptions of white Silicon Valley workers, complaining about "hordes" of them "overcrowding" towns.

Redbeard, which was a pseudonym, argued that only strength and violence determined what is morally right. The work, which is filled with misogynistic and anti-Semitic rhetoric, is a staple among neo-Nazis and white supremacists on extremist sites.

Sounds like left wing propaganda to me...
 
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guys, smoking kills way more people, yet goes unregulated.
TBH, I'm 100% for completely banning tobacco and guns. You shouldn't be allowed to own a gun and I'm for making tobacco an extinct plant.

Edit: BTW, smoking is NOT unregulated. It's just insufficiently regulated. IMO, they should wipe out vaping too.
 

Muse

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We should definitely ban guns.
It worked so well for cocaine and littering.
They're rather different. Littering is criminal, obviously, by definition. Cocaine is a substance and when used, disappears. Guns are equipment. If it becomes illegal to possess a gun, what's the point of having one? It can only get you in trouble.
 

ch33zw1z

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TBH, I'm 100% for completely banning tobacco and guns. You shouldn't be allowed to own a gun and I'm for making tobacco an extinct plant.

Edit: BTW, smoking is NOT unregulated. It's just insufficiently regulated. IMO, they should wipe out vaping too.

I shoulda put that /s in there. Tobacco is a good example of how lobbying can be very effective, but eventually we wised up and regulated the crap out of it, and it's curbed nicotine addiction quite effectively.
 

Stokely

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wow....guns vs cocaine and littering?

gun use vs smoking? That one is closer, but still.....you all need to get some better analogies.

When smoking can be used as a tool to suddenly kill otherwise-healthy people at the whim of some emotionally compromised moron, wake me up. Yes, second-hand smoke is hazardous but not a sudden hazard, and that should be eliminated as best we can in any case.

The real train trip to retard-ville happens when you hear "all we need is for everyone to be armed." Simply an excuse for boys to play with their toys is what it is. Throw in a side of wanna-be hero.
 
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I shoulda put that /s in there. Tobacco is a good example of how lobbying can be very effective, but eventually we wised up and regulated the crap out of it, and it's curbed nicotine addiction quite effectively significantly.
FTFY
 

Muse

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Guns are a fairly effective way of ending one's own life, yes. But, someone making a choice for themselves is a whole different discussion than murders and mass shootings.
No, they have one very fundamental common denominator... the perpetrator had access to a gun.

Uh, dig folks, Slow's posts are very worthy of being skimmed over, never worth the trouble of actually reading.
 
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Muse

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Lets add this up.
We have the divisive hate from Donald Trump, and we have the NRA handing out AK-47's to every nutcase that wants one with no questions asked, and we have people in a crowd having fun.
Put that altogether and what do you have?
Just another day.
It was a Sunday in the sun in America, last afternoon of The Festival, the sun going down, but still visible. The end of a few lives, the beginning of a painful future for a dozen or so who didn't die (yet). A loss of innocence in Gilroy, CA.
 

fskimospy

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No, they have one common denominator... the perpetrator had access to a gun.

It also happens that people tend to attempt suicide in a unique moment of depression and despair. Most people that attempt suicide never try again which means the effectiveness of means they use to attempt suicide matter a TON. Guns are by far the most effective commonly used form of suicide so when people attempt suicide that way they often either succeed or leave themselves permanently damaged.

The idea that the average person committing suicide is acting on their well-considered preferences so we shouldn't deprive them of their desired means is disgusting and offensive. The vast majority of the time they are people who otherwise want to live but are in unique mental and emotional distress. A good friend of mine died about 12 years ago from suicide and he used a gun. I think a lot about if he might still be alive if he wasn't able to find one that day.
 

Vic

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I think you're confused. Plenty of people on the left own guns. The whole point is not to limit liberties of gun owners, but to stop people from being murdered. If I wish to smoke and kill myself slowly that's my business, but I don't feel the need to have my head taken apart by some whacko with a gun because I wanted to go see a Batman movie. Do you understand the difference?

If the deranged right wingers that love Trump would stop murdering people like this it wouldn't be an issue.
Liberals: "We want to keep criminals and mentally unstable persons from having access to guns."
Conservatives: "You're trying to take away my guns!"



<- gun-toting liberal
 
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In other news, another shooting, this time at a Walmart in Mississippi.


Thoughts and prayers, and second hand smoke kills even more people.

Did I cover it all?

Sounds about right.


The Walmart shooting sounds like the typical 'get fired, go nuts, kill people' event we've been seeing happen here and there since the 80s, or earlier. IMO that is a mental health cause, made worse via offense real or imagined, then much worse with firearms.

This festival shooter sounds more like he was nurtured with outrage and hate, not unlike so many other reich-wing terrorists and incel cowards. I'm sure there's no connection between this shooting and the unprecedented approval racists and nazis enjoy from the republican party and media these days. Couldn't be.
 

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Liberals: "We want to keep criminals and mentally unstable persons from having access to guns."
Conservatives: "You're trying to take away my guns!"



<- gun-toting liberal
Yep. Unfortunately they've been sold the lie that if we give an inch they'll take a mile. I can understand this mentality but when innocents are being killed through no fault of their own it should be a wake up call.

I remember when the NRA and gun owners were all about protecting the rights and traditions of hunters. Then somehow they became all about everyone being permitted to own weapons of war because of rights. They are the one who took a mile IMHO.
 

Muse

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It also happens that people tend to attempt suicide in a unique moment of depression and despair. Most people that attempt suicide never try again which means the effectiveness of means they use to attempt suicide matter a TON. Guns are by far the most effective commonly used form of suicide so when people attempt suicide that way they often either succeed or leave themselves permanently damaged.

The idea that the average person committing suicide is acting on their well-considered preferences so we shouldn't deprive them of their desired means is disgusting and offensive. The vast majority of the time they are people who otherwise want to live but are in unique mental and emotional distress. A good friend of mine died about 12 years ago from suicide and he used a gun. I think a lot about if he might still be alive if he wasn't able to find one that day.
Well stated, and although rather obvious it's not mentioned much... I don't remember seeing/hearing this before although I have fully understood this for many years. TBH, it's one very good reason I don't want to own a gun!
 

Jaskalas

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of course the cops lied. lol. They didnt do shit.

Why would you go there?

It is known to be common for shooters to off themselves when confronted by police. When their game is up.

Him doing that does NOT discount their fast and effective response.