Another school shooting

[a777pilot]

p.s., When was the last time there was a mass shooting at a gun show?

 

[cybrsage]

It's clearly a new school, having started out in 2004 (only 8 years ago). It's new to me.

Wiggle wiggle wiggle...

Your attempt to wiggle yourself into a new statement failed miserably. Just admit that you were wrong and move on.

 

[cybrsage]

So now according to you the school qualifies as new? You must like being proven wrong time and time again.

No, I was showing the stupidity of your position. I honestly thought you were smart enough to see that. You are not correct about a decade old school being new, but you have shown that I am wrong in thinking you were smart enough to see that. I sadly concede that point to you, you proved it to strongly for me to even attempt to argue against it.

 

[dank69]

No, I was showing the stupidity of your position. I honestly thought you were smart enough to see that. You are not correct about a decade old school being new, but you have shown that I am wrong in thinking you were smart enough to see that. I sadly concede that point to you, you proved it to strongly for me to even attempt to argue against it.

You are the one that said the school is new:

Wait...you complain that I used the Sun and Earth in a subjective manner...then say new is a subjective term. Consistency, get some.

But if you want to play that stupid game, ALL schools in the western world are new.


[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_schools_in_the_world"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_schools_in_the_world[/URL]

Did you forget already?

 

[Craig234]

p.s., When was the last time there was a mass shooting at a gun show?

When was the last time there was a mass shooting with a gun obtained at a gun show?

Those count also.

 

[a777pilot]

When was the last time there was a mass shooting with a gun obtained at a gun show?

Those count also.

I don't care where you get your guns. Just get as many guns as you wish. Such is your right.

 

[Generator]

Shooting a lot of people at a school makes sense. They are advertised as gun free zones. Very few mass shooting at a Police station or a Marine Corps shoot range.

Hi.

Aside from the cheap bravado from the "good shoot" thinkers...we seem to be have a shooting just about every week this year. The gun problem is only going to get worse. Millions of whites hoarding ammo and weaponry in their bunkers. I suppose once they realized that there are not really any Mexicans, blacks, or any other excuse they put on people for their timid lives they will turn on each other. These barbarous people will find their own murderous intent reflected upon themselves.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The religious gun nuts are turning on each other.

No offense but this is petty. Obviously you've forgotten what occurred at Virgina Tech.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Hi.

Aside from the cheap bravado from the "good shoot" thinkers...we seem to be have a shooting just about every week this year. The gun problem is only going to get worse. Millions of whites hoarding ammo and weaponry in their bunkers. I suppose once they realized that there are not really any Mexicans, blacks, or any other excuse they put on people for their timid lives they will turn on each other. These barbarous people will find their own murderous intent reflected upon themselves.

Hey Micheal Moore you do realize that shooting occurred on a base where everyone was prohibited from carrying firearms right?

 

[Generator]

Are you seriously going to blame gun control?

 

[Lithium381]

When was the last time there was a mass shooting with a gun obtained at a gun show?

Those count also.

Why would those count if obtained legally? It'd be the same as any FFL dealer conducting the sale. Either way once again, the perp was on free-reign mode until the cops got there because nobody was allowed to carry there. Too bad, could have saved lives, but in CA we'll never know because of our laws.

 

[Craig234]

Why would those count if obtained legally? It'd be the same as any FFL dealer conducting the sale. Either way once again, the perp was on free-reign mode until the cops got there because nobody was allowed to carry there. Too bad, could have saved lives, but in CA we'll never know because of our laws.

Actually, gun shows allow sales that are not legal by dealers - used, less documented.

Absolutely, people having guns sometimes can stop a murder spree.

And other times more guns causes more murder sprees.

Contrary to the gun loving ideologues, it's a tradeoff.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Hey Micheal Moore you do realize that shooting occurred on a base where everyone was prohibited from carrying firearms right?

You realize that he was able to get it from someone not limiting it, right?

You also realize that the number of deaths by firearms is HIGHER in free carry areas than in no-carry areas, right?

The more easily you can get a gun, the more likely you will HAVE a gun. the more likely you HAVE a gun, the more likely someone will be shot (try shooting someone w/o a gun).

Just look back to self-imposed law in the US during our founding/expansion into the mid-west. Those fanciful stories about the WWW were not 100% fiction. The only thing that gun ownership helped against was protection from others that were able to get the guns, largely, in the same manner.

The arguments presented for gun ownership are flawed in many ways. There ARE some reasons to support them, but there are so many others that have no real FACTUAL background. The thing that annoys me the worst is when someone takes statistical data out of contexts and applies it willy-nilly to their own cause, this being an example.

The cases of mass shootings may be higher in gun control areas, but then you get guys dressed up in full body armor and automatic weapons shooting down cops (who have their own guns), kids raiding their parents gun cabinet to go and shoot other kids at their school and other examples that show that there is not a direct correlation as expressed here.

Like I said. It annoys the heck out of me. :NYAA!:

 

[shortylickens]

You realize that he was able to get it from someone not limiting it, right?

You also realize that the number of deaths by firearms is HIGHER in free carry areas than in no-carry areas, right?

The more easily you can get a gun, the more likely you will HAVE a gun. the more likely you HAVE a gun, the more likely someone will be shot (try shooting someone w/o a gun).

Just look back to self-imposed law in the US during our founding/expansion into the mid-west. Those fanciful stories about the WWW were not 100% fiction. The only thing that gun ownership helped against was protection from others that were able to get the guns, largely, in the same manner.

The arguments presented for gun ownership are flawed in many ways. There ARE some reasons to support them, but there are so many others that have no real FACTUAL background. The thing that annoys me the worst is when someone takes statistical data out of contexts and applies it willy-nilly to their own cause, this being an example.

The cases of mass shootings may be higher in gun control areas, but then you get guys dressed up in full body armor and automatic weapons shooting down cops (who have their own guns), kids raiding their parents gun cabinet to go and shoot other kids at their school and other examples that show that there is not a direct correlation as expressed here.

Like I said. It annoys the heck out of me. :NYAA!:

And every single one of those guns was illegal anyways.
See?

IT DOESNT FUCKING HELP WHEN YOU BAN ANY WEAPONS! But you morons never learn. So you keep banning guns. And every time you do, violent crime goes up, not down.

 

[Ninjahedge]

And every single one of those guns was illegal anyways.
See?

Sure it was. It was being carried across the border by the Mexican Day Workers we use to get our 69 cent heads of lettuce at BJ's!

IT DOESNT FUCKING HELP WHEN YOU BAN ANY WEAPONS! But you morons never learn. So you keep banning guns. And every time you do, violent crime goes up, not down.

Yes it does help. But the ban needs to be unilateral. You ban it in Cali, you will have a flow of people purchasing in NV or AZ.

And yeah, guns banned in NYC made crime go up. I mean, I am scared to death walking home at night through Midtown! Someone from the Disney Store may just go wild and shoot everyone in site (because that is a no gun area that is, according to previous posts, prone to such happenings).

You also know when you use words like "fucking" in caps, it lends so much more credence to your point.

 

[a777pilot]

Hi.

Aside from the cheap bravado from the "good shoot" thinkers...we seem to be have a shooting just about every week this year. The gun problem is only going to get worse. Millions of whites hoarding ammo and weaponry in their bunkers. I suppose once they realized that there are not really any Mexicans, blacks, or any other excuse they put on people for their timid lives they will turn on each other. These barbarous people will find their own murderous intent reflected upon themselves.

Sad to say but Ft. Hood was a gun free zone too. Unbelievable, but most, if not all, military bases are. If you have a personal fire arm it is to be locked up in the base armory.

All those guns and ammo are not the problem. They can do nothing unless some human uses them.

There were onver 80 million gun owners that did not kill anyone yesterday. I would except the same for today.

We either have a Second Amendment or we don't. Much like, we either have a First Amendment or we don't. It is getting every year more and more like we don't have a Constitution at all.

 

[a777pilot]

No offense but this is petty. Obviously you've forgotten what occurred at Virgina Tech.

What happened at Virginia Tech is the State Legislature and Governor in an ill conceived attempt to make all campuses safe banned all guns from campuses around the State. All that did was insure that one crazy person would have no opposition to his killing rampage.

If that person had met even one other person that was armed the death count may have been much lower. We will never know because of the well meaning stupidity of liberals and other non-thinkers.

 

[a777pilot]

Are you seriously going to blame gun control?

Gun control: Sight alignment and trigger pull.

 

[a777pilot]

You realize that he was able to get it from someone not limiting it, right?

You also realize that the number of deaths by firearms is HIGHER in free carry areas than in no-carry areas, right?

The more easily you can get a gun, the more likely you will HAVE a gun. the more likely you HAVE a gun, the more likely someone will be shot (try shooting someone w/o a gun).

Just look back to self-imposed law in the US during our founding/expansion into the mid-west. Those fanciful stories about the WWW were not 100% fiction. The only thing that gun ownership helped against was protection from others that were able to get the guns, largely, in the same manner.

The arguments presented for gun ownership are flawed in many ways. There ARE some reasons to support them, but there are so many others that have no real FACTUAL background. The thing that annoys me the worst is when someone takes statistical data out of contexts and applies it willy-nilly to their own cause, this being an example.

The cases of mass shootings may be higher in gun control areas, but then you get guys dressed up in full body armor and automatic weapons shooting down cops (who have their own guns), kids raiding their parents gun cabinet to go and shoot other kids at their school and other examples that show that there is not a direct correlation as expressed here.

Like I said. It annoys the heck out of me. :NYAA!:

Mexico banned just about all private ownership of guns. I guess that is why their murder and shooting rate went down to zero.

(sarcasm off)

 

[Ninjahedge]

Mexico banned just about all private ownership of guns. I guess that is why their murder and shooting rate went down to zero.

(sarcasm off)

And we all know how incorruptible and efficient their enforcement system is.

Why concern yourself with examples like England....

 

[a777pilot]

And we all know how incorruptible and efficient their enforcement system is.

Why concern yourself with examples like England....

Japan would be a better example.

England is being changed and not for the better by the mass influx of muslims. Standby for the populous demanding that the police protect them or let the people be armed to protect themselves.

Same thing in mexico. They took the gun away from the people and the police are the criminals. That's working out well isn't it?

 

[Ninjahedge]

Again, why isn't it working in Mexico?

I can site loose border control, and a very strong crime syndicate.

England it has worked for many years. Introducing a new element may require re-addressing the issue, but it still does not remove the obvious impact on violent (lethal) crime.

I would have to look up some stats on Japan before commenting on their situation. Also, it is difficult to do a direct comparison of societal impacts of an arms restriction across cultural backgrounds as different as European to Asian....

 

[Orignal Earl]

England is being changed and not for the better by the mass influx of muslims. Standby for the populous demanding that the police protect them or let the people be armed to protect themselves.

For some reason, only Americans who live far out in the sticks or urban cave dwellers seem to believe this.

Same thing in mexico. They took the gun away from the people and the police are the criminals. That's working out well isn't it?

In Canada, you are not allowed to carry, Canadians in no way shape or form, kill each other on the scale that Americans do.
Our police don't seem to be caught on video, on the news every night either.

 

[Binarycow]

to me this is like asking a cancer spore why cancer medicines are not working on it. It is its inherent nature to be cancerous.

The violence we see and hear about daily in the U.S. probably is due to neither the availability of guns to private owners nor it is due to lack of gun restriction. It is the culture that we live in, a culture that glorifies violence and always readily ridicules people who are less fortunate than us to have mishaps in their lives.

 

[cybrsage]

In Canada, you are not allowed to carry, Canadians in no way shape or form, kill each other on the scale that Americans do.
Our police don't seem to be caught on video, on the news every night either.

Yet you guys are still TRIPLE that of the third highest country:

Overall homicide rates are highest in the United States, followed by Canada, Australia, and England and Wales. While non-firearm homicide rates are similar between the four countries, the rates of firearm-related homicides are quite different (Chart 4). In 2006, Canada's firearm-related homicide rate (0.58) was nearly six times lower than the United States (3.40), but about three times higher than the rate in Australia (0.22) and six times higher than the rate in England and Wales (0.10). Firearms accounted for about one-third (31%) of all homicides in Canada, approximately two-thirds (68%) in the U.S., 16% in Australia and 7% in England and Wales.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2008002/article/10518-eng.htm