Another school shooting

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shortylickens

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Oakland? Not surprised, this is barely even news.

And why did that dude wrap his coat up over his head? Did he think it would stop bullets?
 

Dari

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Please at least attempt to follow along.

You: The nursing school is brand new there.
Me: He founded the school about 10 years ago, according to the Tribune. You like being shown to be wrong, don't you?

You:How am I wrong? Followed by a direct personal attack upon me. Apologize and I will forget about it.

First of all, not even sure who "he" is since we're talking about the shooter, not the founder, Einstein. The shooter is a former student. The nursing school is where the shooting took place. And, yes, the school was founded about 10 years ago. Not sure what you're even proud of. You're just ,ad cause I said they're turning on each other. And they are.
 

Dari

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Perhaps you don't consider 10 years to be "brand new"? It's a freaking school. Of course it's brand new. The universities I went to are hundreds of years old. Even my high school was founded during the Great Depression...
 

cybrsage

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First of all, not even sure who "he" is since we're talking about the shooter, not the founder, Einstein. The shooter is a former student. The nursing school is where the shooting took place. And, yes, the school was founded about 10 years ago. Not sure what you're even proud of. You're just ,ad cause I said they're turning on each other. And they are.

You had your chance to apologize...you chose to not to it.
 

cybrsage

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Perhaps you don't consider 10 years to be "brand new"? It's a freaking school. Of course it's brand new. The universities I went to are hundreds of years old. Even my high school was founded during the Great Depression...

No one considers 10 years old to be brand new. Of course, compared to the age of the Sun, the Earth is brand new...
 

cybrsage

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school:school as planet:star

Keep that helmet on.

I am not the one who claims something being around for ten years means it is new. A decade is not new, it is quite a bit of time.

But hey, you both can keep pretending a school building being around for a decade means it is new if it makes you feel better about yourselves.
 

dank69

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I am not the one who claims something being around for ten years means it is new. A decade is not new, it is quite a bit of time.

But hey, you both can keep pretending a school building being around for a decade means it is new if it makes you feel better about yourselves.
New, and even brand new is a subjective term. You must look at other similar things to determine if the label of new applies. Can you tell me in your opinion at exactly what age a school goes from new or brand new to not new or not brand new?
 

Dari

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No one considers 10 years old to be brand new. Of course, compared to the age of the Sun, the Earth is brand new...

This really isn't about what's considered new or brand new is it? You're just butt-hurt because I said the religious gun nuts are turning on each other.
 

dank69

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I, too, would like to know the motive.

Motive?
"We've learned that the suspect was upset with the administration at the school. He was also upset that students in the past, when he attended the school, mistreated him, disrespected him, and things of that nature," Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan said today on "Good Morning America." "He was having, we believe, some behavioral problems at the school and was asked to leave several months ago.

"We've learned that this was a very chaotic, calculated and determined gentleman that came there with a very specific intent to kill people, and that's what his motive was and that's what he carried out," Jordan added.

Goh left behind a string of debts and minor traffic citations in his former home state of Virginia and was evicted from one apartment complex in the state, according to ABC News Bay Area affiliate KGO. Goh had been kicked out of Oikos University several months ago, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

An unidentified source also told the paper that Goh might have been involved in a dispute with campus officials.

Goh also lost two family members within the past 13 months, according to the Chronicle. His brother, U.S. Army Sgt. Su Wan Ko, died in March 2011 in an auto wreck in Virginia while on special forces training, the Chronicle reported. His mother, Oak Chul Kim, died a year ago in Seoul, according to a neighbor who told the Chronicle that she had moved there after deciding to leave Oakland. Goh's father, Young Nam Ko, had been living in Oakland but recently moved, neighbors said.

Goh also had federal tax liens in 2006 and 2009 totaling more than $23,000, the Chronicle reported, adding that he managed to pay off some amount of his tax debt.

Police in Oakland have now released a timeline of the chaotic events that took place Monday at the Christian university that focuses on nursing.

"Right now, we do not have a motive for this shooting," Oakland Police Chief Howard A. Jordan said Monday evening. "Today's unprecedented tragedy was shocking and senseless. Our hearts and prayers go out to the victims, their families, and their friends; I offer my deepest condolences. No words can express the gravity of these crimes and the pain caused by them."
 

cybrsage

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New, and even brand new is a subjective term. You must look at other similar things to determine if the label of new applies. Can you tell me in your opinion at exactly what age a school goes from new or brand new to not new or not brand new?

Wait...you complain that I used the Sun and Earth in a subjective manner...then say new is a subjective term. Consistency, get some.

But if you want to play that stupid game, ALL schools in the western world are new.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_schools_in_the_world
 
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cybrsage

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This really isn't about what's considered new or brand new is it? You're just butt-hurt because I said the religious gun nuts are turning on each other.

You claimed it was new, when it obviously was not, then cried when I called you on it.
 

Ninjahedge

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Do you carry a Policeman in your pocket?

Yes, and it is really warm and soft!


Seriously though, this looks creepy.

Kind of like the Terry Brooks Knight series, where people were being possessed or gradually turned. This guy went on a rampage, stole a car, was sitting in a store (?) and called himself in to surrender?

It is like something out of Hellfire.
 

Dari

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You claimed it was new, when it obviously was not, then cried when I called you on it.

It's clearly a new school, having started out in 2004 (only 8 years ago). It's new to me. It's not new to you. I guess that's a difference of opinion. University of Phoenix is new to me as well. Did you go there?
 

dank69

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Wait...you complain that I used the Sun and Earth in a subjective manner...then say new is a subjective term. Consistency, get some.
I did not complain that you used the Sun and Earth in a subjective manner. I pointed out how you used a false analogy. You consistently jump to illogical conclusions, though.

But if you want to play that stupid game, ALL schools in the western world are new.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_schools_in_the_world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_schools_in_the_world[/QUOTE]I So now according to you the school qualifies as new? You must like being proven wrong time and time again.
 

a777pilot

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Shooting a lot of people at a school makes sense. They are advertised as gun free zones. Very few mass shooting at a Police station or a Marine Corps shoot range.
 

Lithium381

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Shooting a lot of people at a school makes sense. They are advertised as gun free zones. Very few mass shooting at a Police station or a Marine Corps shoot range.

Like criminals robbing people at gun point in no-carry areas like Chicago and California. . . there isn't anyone to stop you and the cops are only 6 minutes away
 

Screech

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Like criminals robbing people at gun point in no-carry areas like Chicago and California. . . there isn't anyone to stop you and the cops are only 6 minutes away

(off topic) CA isn't no-carry; however getting a concealed carry license can vary from being a bit of work to nearly impossible depending on where you live. (/off topic). Owning firearms in CA is quite easy though.

From the story, sounds like this guy was under pressure and cracked. Sorta reminds me of stories of bullying and stuff getting out of control in some asian schools.
 

a777pilot

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(off topic) CA isn't no-carry; however getting a concealed carry license can vary from being a bit of work to nearly impossible depending on where you live. (/off topic). Owning firearms in CA is quite easy though.

From the story, sounds like this guy was under pressure and cracked. Sorta reminds me of stories of bullying and stuff getting out of control in some asian schools.


Carry or no carry, I would be willing to bet the rent money that every school in the state of California is a "Gun Free Zone".
 

woolfe9999

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Like criminals robbing people at gun point in no-carry areas like Chicago and California. . . there isn't anyone to stop you and the cops are only 6 minutes away

According to his theory, a disproportionate number of shootings should be occurring in school zones. Yet that isn't the case. We average about 5-10 deaths per year from shootings in school zones. That is a vanishingly small number compared to total firearm related killings in the U.S. So much for his theory.
 

a777pilot

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According to his theory, a disproportionate number of shootings should be occurring in school zones. Yet that isn't the case. We average about 5-10 deaths per year from shootings in school zones. That is a vanishingly small number compared to total firearm related killings in the U.S. So much for his theory.

You could be right but how many mass shootings (more that one shot at one time) have taken place at areas that are not gun free zones?