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Another Reason Why Kids are so Fat

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What? Horrible anti-capitalist propaganda cleverly disguised as a piece on food health makes people fat?

Fast food started in the 1950s. It gained most of it's popularity in the 1960s. We ate it like crazy throughout the 1970s.

The obesity epidemic started in the 80s and didn't really get it's legs until the 90s.

No correlation means no causation.

Liberals like to blame evil corporations for making people fat. When in reality, the only direct correlation to the obesity epidemic is a radical change in lifestyle with the introduction of cable/sat TV, video games and the internet... and the explosion in snack foods to cater to sedentary couch potoatos.

In fact, the average fat per calorie consumed has DROPPED in the last 30 years.
 
Originally posted by: Amused

Students must freeze at the first bell, then, walk to their lines when the whistle is blown. - ja wohl, mein Fuhrer!

Heh, the most important thing they teach kids in kindergarten is to color inside the lines and walk in single file.


As for recess, if I had a kid that went to a school that banned running, I would consider suing the school district... at least, I would make a big ruckus about it.
 
overcrowding and cost control in our public schools contributes to the problem, too. the elementary school i went to recently installed a series of bungalows *on the school playground* to accomodate more students. from what i could see, the bungalows displaced the old kickball courts, jungle gyms, and basketball courts! guess these kids won't have a place to run and play for recess and pe!
 
We played all sorts of crazy games at recess. One kid broke his arm during a football game, one kid got a bunch of skin ripped of his arm when he fell while running. There were a few injuries here and there, but that is life. Kids hurt themselves. Thats just how it works.
 
Schools should require two hours a day of dodge ball, which automatic expulsions anyone that cries out, "No headhunting!"
 
soon it will be.

NO MOVING. STAND THERE OR YOU WILL BE EXPELLED.

why get rid of dodge ball? Cause some kids cry about it?

yes lets get rid of everything that hurts or may offend someone. That sounds like a great idea! We don't want people to learn how to deal with problems, we should just try to avoid them all together..never mind the fact that when they leave school with will be assaulted with situations that they wont know how to handle
 
as a kid i played dodgeball, jailbreak(my favorite), four square, basketball, tag, soccer, and football. I had numerous times where I get nailed with a basketball and made my whole face bleed. I ruined the skin on my leg tons of times, and several kids hurt themselves falling of objects playing jailbreak. Guess what? they healed and are the better for it.....except jimmy...jimmys dead...
 
Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
as a kid i played dodgeball, jailbreak(my favorite), four square, basketball, tag, soccer, and football. I had numerous times where I get nailed with a basketball and made my whole face bleed. I ruined the skin on my leg tons of times, and several kids hurt themselves falling of objects playing jailbreak. Guess what? they healed and are the better for it.....except jimmy...jimmys dead...

:laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Amused

What? Horrible anti-capitalist propaganda cleverly disguised as a piece on food health makes people fat?

Fast food started in the 1950s. It gained most of it's popularity in the 1960s. We ate it like crazy throughout the 1970s.

The obesity epidemic started in the 80s and didn't really get it's legs until the 90s.

No correlation means no causation.

Liberals like to blame evil corporations for making people fat. When in reality, the only direct correlation to the obesity epidemic is a radical change in lifestyle with the introduction of cable/sat TV, video games and the internet... and the explosion in snack foods to cater to sedentary couch potoatos.

In fact, the average fat per calorie consumed has DROPPED in the last 30 years.

My former brother-in-law's diet would have turned your average ATOT member into one of those 900 pound people you see on television. He worked on a dairy farm though, getting up at 4 A.M. to work for twelve to fourteen hours. He was skin, bone, and muscle.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
as a kid i played dodgeball, jailbreak(my favorite), four square, basketball, tag, soccer, and football. I had numerous times where I get nailed with a basketball and made my whole face bleed. I ruined the skin on my leg tons of times, and several kids hurt themselves falling of objects playing jailbreak. Guess what? they healed and are the better for it.....except jimmy...jimmys dead...

:laugh:

Jimmy learned the hard way that just standing there wasn't the wisest idea... 😛
 
Originally posted by: Shame
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
as a kid i played dodgeball, jailbreak(my favorite), four square, basketball, tag, soccer, and football. I had numerous times where I get nailed with a basketball and made my whole face bleed. I ruined the skin on my leg tons of times, and several kids hurt themselves falling of objects playing jailbreak. Guess what? they healed and are the better for it.....except jimmy...jimmys dead...

:laugh:

Jimmy learned the hard way that just standing there wasn't the wisest idea... 😛

should have played more Quake2
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: Amused

What? Horrible anti-capitalist propaganda cleverly disguised as a piece on food health makes people fat?

Fast food started in the 1950s. It gained most of it's popularity in the 1960s. We ate it like crazy throughout the 1970s.

The obesity epidemic started in the 80s and didn't really get it's legs until the 90s.

No correlation means no causation.

Liberals like to blame evil corporations for making people fat. When in reality, the only direct correlation to the obesity epidemic is a radical change in lifestyle with the introduction of cable/sat TV, video games and the internet... and the explosion in snack foods to cater to sedentary couch potoatos.

In fact, the average fat per calorie consumed has DROPPED in the last 30 years.

My former brother-in-law's diet would have turned your average ATOT member into one of those 900 pound people you see on television. He worked on a dairy farm though, getting up at 4 A.M. to work for twelve to fourteen hours. He was skin, bone, and muscle.

Yep. And when me and my brothers were kids in the 70s, our diet was very typical for that time. My mom fried a lot of food in recycled bacon grease, and went through tubs of Crisco like crazy. All we drank was soda and sweet tea and went through Hostess snacks by the crate. We were all very lean. But then, you couldn't keep us in the house on a nice day.
 
Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99
Thats how my elementary years were. We got "benched" if we were caught running at all. Bench is basically like detention but served during recess or lunch. We were not allowed to have any contact play with other students. Even with basketball we were not allowed to play full court because we would have to run.

It's because of one or two parents that don't want their little tub o lard getting beats during recess. I've seen it first hand, and it sickens me. I'm glad I'm fit 🙂
 
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
yet another reason why america's becoming fatter every year. while the idea is nice, the problem is that kids rarely get the minimum recomended 30 minutes of exersize a day and now they get even less. i remember in my middle school (tilden MS) we had 45 minutes of PE every day. it's no wonder that there were few fat kids in the school.

HS gym now is even worse. At least in Canada... 75 minutes everyday, and 3/4's of it is running.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
The obesity epidemic started in the 80s and didn't really get it's legs until the 90s.

when did mcdonalds introduce the combo meal?


i'll also note that the 90s saw a huge rise in dual income families.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Amused
The obesity epidemic started in the 80s and didn't really get it's legs until the 90s.

when did mcdonalds introduce the combo meal?


i'll also note that the 90s saw a huge rise in dual income families.

The Happy Meal made its debut in 1979.

And contrary to the propaganda, I fail to see how combo meals make people eat more. They aren't forced to buy them. I never have.
 
Originally posted by: Amused

What? Horrible anti-capitalist propaganda cleverly disguised as a piece on food health makes people fat?

Fast food started in the 1950s. It gained most of it's popularity in the 1960s. We ate it like crazy throughout the 1970s.

The obesity epidemic started in the 80s and didn't really get it's legs until the 90s.

No correlation means no causation.

Liberals like to blame evil corporations for making people fat. When in reality, the only direct correlation to the obesity epidemic is a radical change in lifestyle with the introduction of cable/sat TV, video games and the internet... and the explosion in snack foods to cater to sedentary couch potoatos.

In fact, the average fat per calorie consumed has DROPPED in the last 30 years.


You don't need to eat a lot of fat to get fat, you just need to eat a lot of food and not exercise. The "fat is bad" craze is what lead to the drop in fat/cal, but it seems a balanced diet is what is really needed (and exercise).
 
Originally posted by: sponge008
Originally posted by: Amused

What? Horrible anti-capitalist propaganda cleverly disguised as a piece on food health makes people fat?

Fast food started in the 1950s. It gained most of it's popularity in the 1960s. We ate it like crazy throughout the 1970s.

The obesity epidemic started in the 80s and didn't really get it's legs until the 90s.

No correlation means no causation.

Liberals like to blame evil corporations for making people fat. When in reality, the only direct correlation to the obesity epidemic is a radical change in lifestyle with the introduction of cable/sat TV, video games and the internet... and the explosion in snack foods to cater to sedentary couch potoatos.

In fact, the average fat per calorie consumed has DROPPED in the last 30 years.


You don't need to eat a lot of fat to get fat, you just need to eat a lot of food and not exercise. The "fat is bad" craze is what lead to the drop in fat/cal, but it seems a balanced diet is what is really needed (and exercise).

Exactly.
 
Originally posted by: Amused

The Happy Meal made its debut in 1979.

And contrary to the propaganda, I fail to see how combo meals make people eat more. They aren't forced to buy them. I never have.

i don't mean the happy meal, i mean the combo meal.

all i know is that after that mcdonalds sold a whole lot more fries and a metric sh!t ton more coke. maybe not forced to, but people did buy more of what mcdonalds was selling.
 

Nutrition is related to overall health, not being fat. When it comes to weight, it's not what you eat, it's HOW MUCH you eat relative to your metabolism.
If you ate 10,000 dietary calories per day of green salad and never exercised, you'd still be just as fat as if you at 10,000 dietary calories per day of fast food and never exercised.
 
Originally posted by: Vic

Nutrition is related to overall health, not being fat. When it comes to weight, it's not what you eat, it's HOW MUCH you eat relative to your metabolism.
If you ate 10,000 dietary calories per day of green salad and never exercised, you'd still be just as fat as if you at 10,000 dietary calories per day of fast food and never exercised.

Overall you gain fat by eating more calories than you burn, but saying what you eat doesn't matter just doesn't fit into scientific studies.

A Calorie Is Not A Calorie

While the gurus and pundits of the past believed that all calories were created equal, and while much of the current dietetics herd still believes it, I'm here to tell you why it just ain't true. To do so, I'll focus on three main arguments: the Thermic Effect of Feeding (TEF), cross-cultural studies, and the effects of isoenergetic diets using different foods.

The TEF, as I've said many times before, represents the additional caloric expenditure (above resting metabolism) that it takes to digest, absorb, and process the food you eat. Studies on the thermic effect of different foods have been important in describing the different effects of the macronutrients on metabolism.

The TEF lasts from between one to four hours after eating a meal. When adding up the thermic effects from each of your meals, this extra metabolism represents between 5% and 15% of your total daily energy expenditure. Therefore, if your daily energy expenditure is 3,000kcal, about 150 to 450kcal of that comes from the TEF. Interestingly, different macronutrients tend to have different effects on metabolism.

Welle et al. (1981) and Robinson et al (1990) demonstrated that during a normal six hour period of rest and fasting (basal metabolism), subjects burn about 270kcal. When eating a single 400kcal meal of carbs alone (100g) or fat alone (44g), the energy burned during this six hour period reached 290kcal (an additional 20kcal). Interestingly, when eating 400kcal of protein alone (100g) the subjects burned 310kcal during this six hour period (an additional 40kcal). Therefore, protein alone had double the thermogenic power vs. fat or carbs alone!

Swaminathan et al (1985) demonstrated that during a normal fasted 90-minute period, both lean and obese subjects burned about 110 calories. When consuming a 400kcal, fat only meal (44g), the lean subjects burned 125kcal (+15kcal) while the obese subjects only burned 110kcal (+0Kcal).
This indicates that while the lean can up-regulate metabolism when eating fat, the obese may, in fact, have a defect in their thermogenic response mechanisms for fat. When fed a 400kcal mixed meal (P+C+F), the lean subjects burned 130kcal (+20kcal) during the 90-minutes while the obese burned 125kcal (+25kcal) during the 90-minutes. These data demonstrate that mixed meals are more thermogenic than fat only meals and that lean people have a better TEF response than the obese.

So now that you understand that different macronutrients (at the same energy intake) can alter calorie balance within a single meal, here's another interesting argument for the fact that all calories were not created equal. In a study by Campbell et al (1991), 6,500 rural and urban Chinese were compared to the US population norms for energy intake, macronutrient breakdown, and health. This is an important comparison due to the fact that obesity and cardiovascular diseases have reached epidemic proportions in North America while the prevalence is much lower in China. Check out this data on average nutrient intake:

U.S.:

* Energy - 30.6kcal/kg
* Carbohydrate - 42% (224g)
* Fat Intake - 36% (85.86g)
* Alcohol - 7%
* Fiber - 11g/day
* Protein - 15% (80g)
* % Protein from Animal - 70% (56g)
* BMI (wt/ht*ht) - 25.8

China

* Energy - 40.6kcal/kg
* Carbohydrate - 71% (504g)
* Fat Intake - 14% (44g)
* Alcohol - 5%
* Fiber - 33g/day
* Protein - 10% (71g)
* % Protein from Animal - 11% (7g)
* BMI (wt/ht*ht) - 20.5

It's interesting to note that while the Chinese have a much lower body mass index (as represented by weight in kg/height squared in meters) and a much lower prevalence of obesity and cardiovascular disease, they eat about 25 to 35% more food than we do! Now, the Chinese tend to be more active than we are, but when the numbers were corrected for activity levels, the differences remain!

Looking at the macronutrient breakdowns, the Chinese are on a high-carb diet, no doubt. But they're not fat. And while their protein intake, by percentage, is lower, they do get nearly as much total protein, by gram amount, as we do. Perhaps we could take a lesson from the Chinese. Clearly not all calories are created equal because if they were, the Chinese would be fatter than we are! But instead, the average 100kg Chinese person gets to enjoy a 4060kcal diet while keeping his lean physique.

I know, I know, that study is only epidemiological and therefore lacks some explanatory power, but stay tuned as I present two final studies to demonstrate that all calories were not created equal.

In a study by Demling et al (2000), the researchers demonstrated that food choice and timing could be more important than total calorie intake. Before the study began, overweight police officers, eating about 2100 to 2300kcal per day, tipped the scales at 216lbs with 56lbs of fat mass (25% fat) and 158lbs of lean mass. They were eating about 74g protein, 380g carbs, and 56g fat. Since this is clearly a hypocaloric diet, they should've been losing weight. But they weren't.

Unfortunately for these poor guys, they were eating only 10% of their calories at breakfast and a whopping 50% of their calories right before bed. In addition, 50% of their carb intake was sugar! After diet counseling, these guys still ate the same diet in terms of macronutrients, but they ate 70% of their calories during the active parts of their day and 80% of their carb intake was complex and low on the GI scale. At the end of twelve weeks these guys lost 3lbs of weight and 5lbs of fat while gaining 2lbs of lean mass. And this was without changing exercise habits! While these changes weren't huge, it's clear that food choices and timing make a difference.

In another study by T-mag's own Doug Kalman et al (2001), Doug showed that a 1200kcal, high-protein (47%P, 36.5%C, 16.5%F) diet was more effective than a 1200kcal, moderate-protein (24.5%P, 48.3%C, 27.2%F) diet for fat loss. Subjects in the high-protein group lost 6.3lbs of body weight, 5.3lbs of fat weight, and only 1lb of lean weight. The moderate protein group lost 3.1lbs of body weight, no fat weight, and 4.5 whopping pounds of lean weight. Try telling these subjects that a calorie is a calorie!

In the end, there clearly are ways to burn more calories and lose more weight while eating diets differing in macronutrient content but similar in energy intake. In addition, if you can believe it, there may even be ways to eat more food while staying leaner. Just ask the Chinese.

http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/leaneating_1.htm
 
Genetics? I'm at a loss here....I don't recall genetics being mentioned.

If you're saying that Chinese people digest food differently....then explain:


In another study by T-mag's own Doug Kalman et al (2001), Doug showed that a 1200kcal, high-protein (47%P, 36.5%C, 16.5%F) diet was more effective than a 1200kcal, moderate-protein (24.5%P, 48.3%C, 27.2%F) diet for fat loss. Subjects in the high-protein group lost 6.3lbs of body weight, 5.3lbs of fat weight, and only 1lb of lean weight. The moderate protein group lost 3.1lbs of body weight, no fat weight, and 4.5 whopping pounds of lean weight. Try telling these subjects that a calorie is a calorie!

There's a ton of more examples on Berardi's site. He has a Phd in nutritional science, and is a nutrition adviser for many professional athletes.
 
Well, obviously, you should avoid all fats and eat a high-carb high-refined sugar high-calorie diet, never exercise, get fat and diabetic, pop viagras, and die early.
 
Parents and their coddling of kids could be the most disgusting thing to come out of generation Y. I worked at a museum for almost 4 years and you'd see 10-12 year olds being coddled by mommy and daddy and not knowing how to behave in society. Then when Johnny (or whatever the new generation of names are... Noah, Shiloh, Josiah, {insert other biblical name here}) falls on something carpeted, mommy and daddy raise hell with the institution. Maybe if you let your kids outside for any amount of time and expose them to the real world, they'd know not to act like spoiled pieces of sh*t like you when they grow up.

While I'm only 19 and shouldn't generalize about people in my generation, I still got up every day over the summer of my childhood and played outside until it got dark. And then I'd rinse and repeat every day until school, and then it'd be after school until it got dark. I had the time of my life and we did some stupid stuff... makeshift bike ramps out of pieces of wood (that when we'd go off it'd break half way and you'd end up face planting the ground), dodgeball with volleyballs, hockey with no pads (goalie would get a baseball mit) with some kids who had pretty decent slap shots, football on asphalt that would lead to people falling / sliding / scraping. When you got hurt, you brushed it off and went back to having fun.

My brother who is 12 has never learned how to ride a bike. Why my parents decided to change his upbringing as opposed to mine is beyond me, but I remember my dad not letting me come in one night until I mastered my bike, no matter how many times I'd fallen and scraped up my arms and legs. My bro sits in his room and plays video games, and has ever since I can remember. Maybe the youth of this latest generation is just wired differently...
 
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