SagaLore
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2 things are going to either happen:
1. We still persue Iraq, clean it up real quick, and then persue NK, but then "don't attack NK, we still have to finish up with Iraq" or
2. We turn at NK first, liberals whine "don't attack NK, you'll put us and SK at risk, you should finish what you started with Iraq"
Dems/Libs just like to oppose. Some type of psychological malfunction. Must be Genetic Partisanship Disorder.
Err, actually I'm not a voter in the slightest, and if you can't take someones opinion in a slightly mature fashion then what're you doing here?
Originally posted by: dabuddha
when did americans kill all those native americans?
cause if it was before 1776, then it wasn't the americans
Much of it occured right after the civil war.
How Lincoln?s Army 'Liberated' the Indians
Maybe Hitler learned some of his lessons from the US, eh?
dabuddha
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Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: dabuddha
when did americans kill all those native americans?
cause if it was before 1776, then it wasn't the americans
Much of it occured right after the civil war.
How Lincoln?s Army 'Liberated' the Indians
Maybe Hitler learned some of his lessons from the US, eh?
ahh didn't know that
perhaps hitler learned his lessons from the ancient romans. Or perhaps the chinese. besides, this thread isn't about hitler
I do, too much money for a low % defense. The tests have been all but rigged so far and the missle defense system is still not doing well. The thing that keeps people from launching missles at us is the fact that we will launch 20 nukes back at them. Do you know how badly China would react to NK launching anything at a US coast? China is what keeps NK viable, they won't let them get too out of hand.
We should wait and refine the tech behind the missle defense, maybe in 5 to 10 years it will be ready to be deployed. The threat of wmd used in terroristic attacks is much greater than any missle attack. I worry far more about someone smuggling in a nuke and detonating it in a city.
Red Dawn
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The reason we aren't threatening NK like we are Iraq is because the consequences or a military conflict with NK are much more dire than one with Iraq. Also I tend to think that our state dept. believe that the Chinese would also like to have a non nuclear NK as a nieghbor and are willing to do all they can short of attacking NK to resolve this issue.
NK is pretty good reason why every country will want nuclear weapons. They are a deterent to naked American agression.
So sad that you dunces that thought yourself clever equating my first blank post with a joke on me didn't have the wit to see it as intended, as another empty Bush reason to attack Iraq.
Is it that I whine like a baby, or is it that you remain brain dead so you don't have to see the faces of the children your moral superiority will kill.
So much BS here it's hard to pick a place to start and have any hope of getting done. lets just do one:
SegaLord:
Moonbeam, maybe you should run for President, so you could become Commander in Chief. (ME AND GLENN1 ARE ALREADY RUNNING) Why are you so bent that Bush doesn't have a good reason to focus on Iraq? (AHAHAHAHA, YEAH, YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR WAR, RIGHT) Do we normally know 99% of our nation's military intelligence? (I NORMALLY HAVE CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN THAT KNOWN OXIMORON. ARE YOU NORMALLY A BLIND SHEEP THAT TRUSTS POLITITIANS) It's becoming more apparent how much a stooge you really are for the liberal media. (WHAT YOU CALL APPARENT IS IGNORANT, UNSUPPORTED ASSUMPTION) You're like some liberal puppet. ;Q(LOOK IN THE MIRROR)
The fact that liberals are so pushy about having Bush "reveal all", just shows how much they want this nation to become a Socialism. (AHAHAHAHAHA YOU AE ABSURD. IT SHOWS NOTHING OF THE KIND. MORE IGNORANT ASSUMPTION) We're not a socialism, (MORE IGNORANT ASSUMPTION, WE ARE QUITE SOCIALIST IN MANY WAYS) we're not all informed equally(YOU ARE TELLING ME? AHAHAHAHAHA), this is a democratic republic. We vote our representatives in, and then let them do their job. (YOU ARE UNAMERICAN. WE NEVER JUST LET THEM DO THEIR JOB. THEY ANSWER TO US AND ARE A TELEPHONE CALL, EMAIL, OR LETTER AWAY. WTF DO YOU THINK REPRESENT IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN)
So sad that you dunces that thought yourself clever equating my first blank post with a joke on me didn't have the wit to see it as intended, as another empty Bush reason to attack Iraq.
Is it that I whine like a baby, or is it that you remain brain dead so you don't have to see the faces of the children your moral superiority will kill.
So much BS here it's hard to pick a place to start and have any hope of getting done. lets just do one:
SegaLord:
Moonbeam, maybe you should run for President, so you could become Commander in Chief. (ME AND GLENN1 ARE ALREADY RUNNING) Why are you so bent that Bush doesn't have a good reason to focus on Iraq? (AHAHAHAHA, YEAH, YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR WAR, RIGHT) Do we normally know 99% of our nation's military intelligence? (I NORMALLY HAVE CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN THAT KNOWN OXIMORON. ARE YOU NORMALLY A BLIND SHEEP THAT TRUSTS POLITITIANS) It's becoming more apparent how much a stooge you really are for the liberal media. (WHAT YOU CALL APPARENT IS IGNORANT, UNSUPPORTED ASSUMPTION) You're like some liberal puppet. ;Q(LOOK IN THE MIRROR)
The fact that liberals are so pushy about having Bush "reveal all", just shows how much they want this nation to become a Socialism. (AHAHAHAHAHA YOU AE ABSURD. IT SHOWS NOTHING OF THE KIND. MORE IGNORANT ASSUMPTION) We're not a socialism, (MORE IGNORANT ASSUMPTION, WE ARE QUITE SOCIALIST IN MANY WAYS) we're not all informed equally(YOU ARE TELLING ME? AHAHAHAHAHA), this is a democratic republic. We vote our representatives in, and then let them do their job. (YOU ARE UNAMERICAN. WE NEVER JUST LET THEM DO THEIR JOB. THEY ANSWER TO US AND ARE A TELEPHONE CALL, EMAIL, OR LETTER AWAY. WTF DO YOU THINK REPRESENT IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN)
HEY LOOKE EVERYWUN MOONBEAM MADE A FUNNIE CLEVERR AT THE EXSPENCE OF OUR STOOPIDITY
IF ONLIE WE CUD UNDORSTAND WAT HE IS TALKSING ABOUT!
IF ONLIE WE CUD UNDORSTAND WAT HE IS TALKSING ABOUT!
moonbeam i'm sure you've heard this before, but i really mean it. you are the stupidest person on the face of the earth.
i understand that iraq seems more of a threat now, but to me it definitely seems like north korea is the much more dangerous country and in need of a regime change.
iraq at least has some support from countries in the area which makes the u.s. battle more difficult. who would be on north korea's side if we attacked them? china seems to be frustrated with them, russia i do not think would mind, and of course not s. korea or japan.
north korea has already been found exporting large missiles and technology to unfriendly countries, and most likely will share their nuclear technology which they seem to be close to be having.
i dont understand why bush is so focused on iraq unless there are other reasons, like oil, or just trying to finish up his dad's incomplete job for the sake of it.
north korea is bluntly saying that they will continue their nuclear research and that there is nothing that the u.s. can do to stop them. and it does look like the u.s. will let them continue, which will give the go ahead for other countries to start pursuing nuclear weapons or wmds.
bush's tone and stance of aggression has caused much more problems than there were before and let's just hope it doesnt escalate into something far worse.
iraq at least has some support from countries in the area which makes the u.s. battle more difficult. who would be on north korea's side if we attacked them? china seems to be frustrated with them, russia i do not think would mind, and of course not s. korea or japan.
north korea has already been found exporting large missiles and technology to unfriendly countries, and most likely will share their nuclear technology which they seem to be close to be having.
i dont understand why bush is so focused on iraq unless there are other reasons, like oil, or just trying to finish up his dad's incomplete job for the sake of it.
north korea is bluntly saying that they will continue their nuclear research and that there is nothing that the u.s. can do to stop them. and it does look like the u.s. will let them continue, which will give the go ahead for other countries to start pursuing nuclear weapons or wmds.
bush's tone and stance of aggression has caused much more problems than there were before and let's just hope it doesnt escalate into something far worse.
Frances: IF ONLIE WE CUD UNDORSTAND WAT HE IS TALKSING ABOUT!
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If only, oh if only....
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archiral: moonbeam i'm sure you've heard this before, but i really mean it. you are the stupidest person on the face of the earth.
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I've heard similar before, but never put so eloquently as to bump me to number 2.
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If only, oh if only....
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archiral: moonbeam i'm sure you've heard this before, but i really mean it. you are the stupidest person on the face of the earth.
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I've heard similar before, but never put so eloquently as to bump me to number 2.
You guys are right. If the U.S. did decide to attack North Korea, the people pointing at it would not be happy. That's not the point. The point is that a country exists that we know for sure has nuclear weapons, and missiles to put them on that can reach us, has openly said it will go back to work developing more weapons, let us know they have been doing so in violation of an earlier pact, kicked inspectors out, has a tyrant leader who oppresses his people and watches them starve while he builds weapons, and repeatedly makes statements about attacking us, even said it has the right to do so pre-emptively.
If we can still say there's a political solution to that problem, then theres no justification to say immediate war is the only answer to Iraq; A country that we have not established has nuclear weapons, definitely has no way of getting them to the US, currently has weapons investigators in the country. The fact that the U.S. can be so restrained with NK, only highlights how irrational it is to be so aggressive with Iraq, despite others telling us to give the process time.
Sagalord, your attitude about how our country runs is disturbing. Our collective responsibility to govern our country doesn't end when we punch a hole in a ballot box. The phrase "power corrupts" isn't said so much just because it's catchy. If we elected leaders and then just let them do whatever they felt like without looking over their shoulder, things would go bad very quickly. Even if the candidate you wanted to win wins, that doesn't mean he'll do the right thing or know what the right thing is. It's your responsibility to tell your representative how you feel on issues that you care about. You talk about this being a Democratic Republic. The only form of government where the leaders isn't beholden to the people's wishes is a Dictatorship.
If we can still say there's a political solution to that problem, then theres no justification to say immediate war is the only answer to Iraq; A country that we have not established has nuclear weapons, definitely has no way of getting them to the US, currently has weapons investigators in the country. The fact that the U.S. can be so restrained with NK, only highlights how irrational it is to be so aggressive with Iraq, despite others telling us to give the process time.
Sagalord, your attitude about how our country runs is disturbing. Our collective responsibility to govern our country doesn't end when we punch a hole in a ballot box. The phrase "power corrupts" isn't said so much just because it's catchy. If we elected leaders and then just let them do whatever they felt like without looking over their shoulder, things would go bad very quickly. Even if the candidate you wanted to win wins, that doesn't mean he'll do the right thing or know what the right thing is. It's your responsibility to tell your representative how you feel on issues that you care about. You talk about this being a Democratic Republic. The only form of government where the leaders isn't beholden to the people's wishes is a Dictatorship.
Well moonbeam we simply aren't operating on the same intellectual level as you.
Your vitally important message, long on meaningful content and short on useless rhetoric, is lost on buffoons such as us.
Perhaps your valuable time would be better spent elsewhere?
There must be plenty of demand for the services of such an intellectual giant as yourself.
Red Dawn
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yowolabi, if that Buffoon was more than just a mouthy punk ass idiot then I would worry but he's not so you can spare us your unimaginative melodramatic bellyaching.
Moonie, if I were an Anti War Advocate I'd hate to have you on my side because your failing attempts of sarcastic irony only make you and those in your camp look like lunatics.
Red: Moonie, if I were an Anti War Advocate I'd hate to have you on my side because your failing attempts of sarcastic irony only make you and those in your camp look like lunatics.
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I wish you'd give me something to work with here i.e. failing attempts. You may have confused me with someone concerned with reputation or appearance. What you may call failed attempts may be intentional. I like to show people what they look like. Not my fault if it makes me look like a lunatic. But without examples, I really can't be sure what you mean. As far as making others look bad, you have to be pretty superficial to judge other by how I am, wouldn't you say? Not saying I'm not a lunatic, mind you. Its just that saying it doesn't make it so.
If you can appreciate the fact that a fool convinced against his will is of the same opinion still, I'll have to ask for you're recipe for winning converts. Maybe you think that knowledge is gained by addition. I see subtraction as of equal importance. I mine a different vein, perhaps. Then again, lunatic isn't bad for somebody called Moonbeam. I wonder if I knew?
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I wish you'd give me something to work with here i.e. failing attempts. You may have confused me with someone concerned with reputation or appearance. What you may call failed attempts may be intentional. I like to show people what they look like. Not my fault if it makes me look like a lunatic. But without examples, I really can't be sure what you mean. As far as making others look bad, you have to be pretty superficial to judge other by how I am, wouldn't you say? Not saying I'm not a lunatic, mind you. Its just that saying it doesn't make it so.
If you can appreciate the fact that a fool convinced against his will is of the same opinion still, I'll have to ask for you're recipe for winning converts. Maybe you think that knowledge is gained by addition. I see subtraction as of equal importance. I mine a different vein, perhaps. Then again, lunatic isn't bad for somebody called Moonbeam. I wonder if I knew?
Hey don't give moonie so much crap....remember that big rock that fell on his head. It's not his fault he always manages to sound so lame. And here's another reason to pay close attention to what he says.......
What they look like to YOU.
Red's comment was about what you look like to HIM (and many others around here).
I am suspicious of anyone who is completely convinced they are right.
You and Bush are the same creature only with polar opposite beliefs:
If you don't see things as Bush sees them you are 'un-American'.
If you don't see things as moonbeam sees them you are blind, brainwashed, and/or stupid.
There are no problems with Bush's message, only with those incapable of understanding it.
There are no problems with moonbeam's message, only with those incapable of understanding it.
moonbeam is as sure he knows what's best for the rest of us as Bush is.
Frances:
Red's comment was about what you look like to HIM (and many others around here).
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Frances, if I were a Red Dawn Advocate I'd hate to have you on my side because your failing attempts of sarcastic irony only make you and those in your camp look like lunatics.
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More:
I am suspicious of anyone who is completely convinced they are right. (IS KNOWING YOU DON'T KNOW A FORM OF COMPLETE CERTAINTY?)
You and Bush are the same creature only with polar opposite beliefsYOU ARE CERTAIN OF THIS? HOW?
If you don't see things as Bush sees them you are 'un-American'.(CERTAIN AGAIN?)
If you don't see things as moonbeam sees them you are blind, brainwashed, and/or stupid.(COULD IT BE THAT WHAT YOU ARE IS JUST CERTAIN?)
There are no problems with Bush's message, only with those incapable of understanding it.(INCAPABLE OF NOT NOTICING THEIR CERTAINTY?)
There are no problems with moonbeam's message, only with those incapable of understanding it.(OR THEY FEAR UNCERTAINTY?
moonbeam is as sure he knows what's best for the rest of us as Bush is.(OR AS SURE THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW, UNLIKE BUSH)
A question for you Frances. How did you come to know these things?
Some mirrors for you Frances. Tell me if it's me or can you see too:
Mansnake: Hey I finally figured something out, that's why he has the clown avatar right? (HEY I FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHY YOUR A GIRL WHO WEARS GLASSES) (YOU ARE NUMBER 35 WITH THE CLOWN JOKE. I WAS NUMBER 1)
Hehe, I was going to do Bluefront but even I need better material.
Red's comment was about what you look like to HIM (and many others around here).
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Frances, if I were a Red Dawn Advocate I'd hate to have you on my side because your failing attempts of sarcastic irony only make you and those in your camp look like lunatics.
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More:
I am suspicious of anyone who is completely convinced they are right. (IS KNOWING YOU DON'T KNOW A FORM OF COMPLETE CERTAINTY?)
You and Bush are the same creature only with polar opposite beliefs
YOU ARE CERTAIN OF THIS? HOW?If you don't see things as Bush sees them you are 'un-American'.(CERTAIN AGAIN?)
If you don't see things as moonbeam sees them you are blind, brainwashed, and/or stupid.(COULD IT BE THAT WHAT YOU ARE IS JUST CERTAIN?)
There are no problems with Bush's message, only with those incapable of understanding it.(INCAPABLE OF NOT NOTICING THEIR CERTAINTY?)
There are no problems with moonbeam's message, only with those incapable of understanding it.(OR THEY FEAR UNCERTAINTY?
moonbeam is as sure he knows what's best for the rest of us as Bush is.(OR AS SURE THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW, UNLIKE BUSH)
A question for you Frances. How did you come to know these things?
Some mirrors for you Frances. Tell me if it's me or can you see too:
Mansnake: Hey I finally figured something out, that's why he has the clown avatar right? (HEY I FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHY YOUR A GIRL WHO WEARS GLASSES) (YOU ARE NUMBER 35 WITH THE CLOWN JOKE. I WAS NUMBER 1)
Hehe, I was going to do Bluefront but even I need better material.
No, what's sad is the thought that we would equate empty space as just another Moonbeam attack on Bush, rather than equate that with what we might think has taken up residence in between your ears.
I take it you have a problem with insignificance, jjones. You understand, don't you, that that is what's behind the reason you attack me this way?
No, Moonie, I don't have a problem with insignificance. I kind of like it when insignificance and humility rules the day; the world is a much nicer place to live in. I do have a problem with pompous arrogance, of the type that would fill a hot air balloon, though. As for attacks, I'm just a simple-minded dunce incapable of attacking even an insignificant flea.
I'm with Moonbeam I'm afraid (even if he is a little arrogant and pompous), the propaganda machine that is Bush (and Blair the lapdog, I'm a Brit) isn't going to stop until he's eradicated all his POTENTIAL enemies (not necessarily real ones). But I guess that's what you get for having a semi-illiterate man with a loopy father run the most powerful country on Earth...
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