Another reason to attack Iraq found:

[Moonbeam]

 

[Moonbeam]

That's a good one Moonbeam, but I think you wanted to mention that NK has been discovered to have a missile that can reach the west coast.

Yup, another reason we gotta focus on Iraq.

 

[MC]

 

[dabuddha]

agreed

 

[Acanthus]

reply to my post in the other thread

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
That's a good one Moonbeam, but I think you wanted to mention that NK has been discovered to have a missile that can reach the west coast.

Yup, another reason we gotta focus on Iraq.

If we fried North Korea, you would still whine like a baby?

Do you still think that The Strategic Missile Defense System is a bad idea?

I can't wait to hear your answer.

 

[b0mbrman]

So you're saying we should stomp all over North Korea? Why do you always have to be such a warmonger Moonbeam?

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

That's the most insightful thing you've ever said

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
That's a good one Moonbeam, but I think you wanted to mention that NK has been discovered to have a missile that can reach the west coast.

Yup, another reason we gotta focus on Iraq.

I honestly may have missed something in the news. Just because they have missiles that MIGHT be able to reach the West Coast, doesn't read that they are Aimed there. Has there been a report that he is saying he will use these on us in pre-emptive strikes? I know that I read he will use them if we attack them but hell, what country wouldn't defend themselves? That is why countries develope military stratagies. Understand this also... I am not discounting North Korea. They are probably going to be a problem that the world will expect/count on the U.S. to deal with which we will once we need to. We don't have 10's of thousands of soldiers in South Korea for nothing.

Now, the focus on Iraq is multi faceted but I will limit my reply to missiles. Iraq has stated more than once "We will make their days night and their nights hell" when talking about the U.S. and its allies. Iraq has demonstrated that they are willing to use WMD's on the kurds. Iraq has had over 10 years to comply with the UN security agreement that they destroy all WMD's and limit their militray developement to protect their own borders only. The U.S. has many Allies in that region that could be attacked by missiles. Many of the countries in the region are UN members that we have agreed to protect, therefore are our allies by that agreement.

I don't expect the above to convince anyone. They are facts and should be used as you see fit. I have decided that when it comes to the war with Iraq, no one is going to be convinced that this action is needed that doesn't already think so and those that already think it is needed are not going to be convinced it isn't. It's not worth my blood pressure to try to make sense to some of the people that post on various BBS's with no logic or no real grasp of why Iraq is in the wrong. I really do think that there are some out there (very few) that really think the war is wrong etc... but the majority of the people against the war with Iraq are really just against Bush. I say that because of their statements they make. "We should send inspectors to see what WMD's the Bush regime has." "We don't want any part in Bush's war." "Bush sucks."

 

[Bulk Beef]

I'd be very interested in how all the "What about North Korea?" folks would react if we actually started pursuing that problem as aggressively as we are Iraq.

 

[etech]

TheGameIs21

I also think that some that want to do nothing to Iraq hate the US enough that they want to wait until Iraq has the capabilites that N. Korea says it has to strike other countries with nuclear missiles. They aren't satisfied that Iraq can only hit other countries in the ME.

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: etech
TheGameIs21

I also think that some that want to do nothing to Iraq hate the US enough that they want to wait until Iraq has the capabilites that N. Korea says it has to strike other countries with nuclear missiles. They aren't satisfied that Iraq can only hit other countries in the ME.

::noting etech, astaroth33 and Axiom on my "intelligent" list::

Edited to add new intelligent people to my list. Looks like there is hope.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: sward666
I'd be very interested in how all the "What about North Korea?" folks would react if we actually started pursuing that problem as aggressively as we are Iraq.

They'd get that "deer in the headlights" look, you know, the one where they're thinking, "holy crap, I didn't think they'd really go for it when we told them that instead of Iraq we should focus on North Korea".. Face it, there are nutballs out there who'd be out protesting with their "No War!" signs even after the DPRK (North Korea) lobs a Taepo-Dong 2 at Seattle..

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: sward666
I'd be very interested in how all the "What about North Korea?" folks would react if we actually started pursuing that problem as aggressively as we are Iraq.

sward666: they'd contintue on the same path as Moonbeam and whine about it to death

 

[Alistar7]

Axiom we killed almsot that many Natives here, probably between 15-20 million, makes Hitler look like a saint and Stalin merely an equal. No I do not think a strategic misile defense system is a good idea. The scientific community says it cannot be done and even if so would not be effective. If you are talking about one or 2 missiles they will not get through normal defenses. If you are talking a full unilateral strike by...oh thats right, nobody has that capability YET......some would get through any system we could build today or in the near future. The best defense? Don't let them leave the ground, do not allow unstable countries to obtain or develop long range missiles.

 

[Alistar7]

my bad, I dont see the need for any other reasons to attack, lets go already....

 

[Richdog]

All i've seen of the current Bush administration is a semi-illiterate texan hick whose father was officially classified as a bit "loopy" trying to wipe out any perceived threat, whether real or not, in a method not entirely dissimilar to the Medieval Crusades, except replacing the swords and shields with his own weapons of mass destruction.
Listening to his speeches sounds like the script from Independance Day. After the tragic September 11th I think it's right to hunt Bin Laden and Al-Kayeda to dust, but if you look at Afghanistan now after the UN supposedly restored order to the place, the Taliban is re-emerging and the country looks set to revert to it's previous state. Not to mention Bin Laden still sipping coffee in his living room chuckling with delight. Hmm, job well done... And now, with Bush wanting to take on both Iraq (Take out Saddam and the war would end there, his people are merely afraid of him and wouldn't fight without him) and N. Korea almost simultaneously, with lapdog Tony Blair sniffing at his heels, it only begs the question: Where will it all end?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for fighting terror and creating a peaceful utopia, but it's hard trying to see method in madness. I think a lot of wars are caused by a lack of understanding rather than direct threat, take the Vietnam War, a travesty that was caused by the arrogance of the French and resulted in the slaughter and massacre of a proud people when a gung-ho America pointlessly sent it's own troops in to be slaughtered and commit atrocities.
I could rant on all day but I'll leave it there for now and hope I haven't stepped on too many toes, they're just my opnion!. If you hadn't noticed I need convincing...

 

[jjones]

Deep thoughts brought to you by Moonbeam:










Thank you Moonbeam. As enlightening as always.

 

[dabuddha]

when did americans kill all those native americans?
cause if it was before 1776, then it wasn't the americans

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: axiom

Originally posted by: Alistar7 Axiom we killed almsot that many Natives here, probably between 15-20 million, makes Hitler look like a saint and Stalin merely an equal. No I do not think a strategic misile defense system is a good idea. The scientific community says it cannot be done and even if so would not be effective. If you are talking about one or 2 missiles they will not get through normal defenses. If you are talking a full unilateral strike by...oh thats right, nobody has that capability YET......some would get through any system we could build today or in the near future. The best defense? Don't let them leave the ground, do not allow unstable countries to obtain or develop long range missiles.

Heh, do you have any sources for those 15-20 million native american deaths? Grant it that the US bought about 70% of US territory from the French I would have to pose the question, did American kill those Native Americans or did others do it?

The French generally had a good relationship with native americans. Rarely did they kill each other. It was the decendents of english speaking immigrants who managed to do what Hitler could not. Being part Cherokee, I am aware of the history. Doesnt bother me much though. Ancient history. All my ancestors are dead.

 

[Alistar7]

axiom who settled this country? developed the land from the colonies west? And I never said "americans", i said "natives", there are no official counts of course, just a general consensus that the Indian population was around that amount. I doubt in German and Soviet stae classrooms they speak of what they did either. Did the French effectively destroy the buffalo herds that were the lifeblood for the Indians?

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
That's a good one Moonbeam, but I think you wanted to mention that NK has been discovered to have a missile that can reach the west coast.

Yup, another reason we gotta focus on Iraq.

Moonbeam or.............Gollum?

 

[Richdog]

Well I doubt he is indeed talking about exterminating people, as that wouldn't really help the polls now would it? I'm referring to the thousands that will be undoubtedly be killed should these events take place. And I believe my skepticism is well founded, are N. Koreans terrorists? They're communists, yes, does that make them guilty? How often do you see Korea on the news detonating bombs in supermarkets? I'm all for getting rid of Saddam, I believe he's the last true dictator-tyrant left in today's world with a proven track record for murder and genocide. But I think old Pres Bush is going to get a bit carried away in his "Quest for mankind" (lol) to the detriment of the world peace he is supposedly trying to create. That's my prediction, time will tell if I'm wrong I suppose. Bush judges, but who's left to judge him?

 

[SagaLore]

Moonbeam, maybe you should run for President, so you could become Commander in Chief. Why are you so bent that Bush doesn't have a good reason to focus on Iraq? Do we normally know 99% of our nation's military intelligence? It's becoming more apparent how much a stooge you really are for the liberal media. You're like some liberal puppet. ;Q

The fact that liberals are so pushy about having Bush "reveal all", just shows how much they want this nation to become a Socialism. We're not a socialism, we're not all informed equally, this is a democratic republic. We vote our representatives in, and then let them do their job.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Axiom we killed almsot that many Natives here, probably between 15-20 million, makes Hitler look like a saint and Stalin merely an equal. No I do not think a strategic misile defense system is a good idea. The scientific community says it cannot be done and even if so would not be effective. If you are talking about one or 2 missiles they will not get through normal defenses. If you are talking a full unilateral strike by...oh thats right, nobody has that capability YET......some would get through any system we could build today or in the near future. The best defense? Don't let them leave the ground, do not allow unstable countries to obtain or develop long range missiles.

The scientific community didn't think we ever need more than 640k of RAM or that our pre-2k bios chips would ever make it to post 2k. What's your point?