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Another Police Execution...Greenville SC edition

Something fell from the suspect they identified as a gun and magazine. If there is additional bodycam footage walking to the objects where they can be identified as a gun and magazine then it may be a proper shoot.

These guys seemed well prepared to take down this suspect. Wonder if approaching from the back is the best way. If I'm walking down the street and all of a sudden people are shouting at me from behind my initial reaction might be to turn around and then I would be immediately shot.
 
Wow, this definitely looks like an execution. But suspect was armed. Still, he's running away but could shoot back at them. I'm torn.
 
Reading the story it was probable the guy was going to force police to kill him either way, but it's not OK in my book to open fire on the back of a suspect who is not even holding a gun at the time. They knew he was armed, and he certainly could have made it to an area where he could have taken cover and fired back at them. He had made a comment on the phone when they were trying to find him to his girlfriend: "Oh, I’m not going to jail. They’ll have to kill me." It's a lot different than many of the cases presented here, but I still think it is reflective of the problems we have in our society when it comes to engagement with officers.
 
Hmm... can't really say the officers were threatened. Guy running away, didn't fire back. Yeah they saw a gun but is holding a gun all it means to justify a killing? You could sometimes say well he could have shot a passerby but that doesn't seem to be the case here...
 
I see a lot of people saying that because the suspect was armed, shooting him in the back as he ran away was either OK, or "close".

Does that mean that if a licensed CCW runs from police, his CCW license doesn't matter and he can be shot in the back until he dies?

I'm having trouble following why anyone thinks someone should be shot just because they're resisting arrest.

If a police officer isn't willing to have their life actually put into real danger before killing someone, then maybe they shouldn't be a police officer.
 
Yeah i don’t get the “just being armed” is enough argument to shoot. otherwise all the right wing nut jobs carrying around rifles at protest would be shot on site just for having a weapon.
 
The Warrants were for
- failure to stop for blue lights
- reckless driving
- resisting arrest
- interfering with police

So far it appears that all those warrants stem from a single incident where he ran from police in his car.


On July 11 the police said
One man is dead after deputies shot him when he pointed a handgun at them, according to the Greenville County sheriff.
and
Officials say around 5 p.m., Culbertson emerged from the woods, and pointed a handgun at several deputies.
www.wistv.com

SLED investigating after deputies shoot, kill man who pointed a gun at them, deputies say

One man is dead after deputies shot him when he pointed a handgun at them, according to the Greenville County sheriff.
www.wistv.com www.wistv.com

The Video shows someone running away from a bunch of guys who suddenly swarm out of the back of a van


Why do you hunt a boy down all day for a traffic violation?
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There is a hell of a disparity here... with men jumping out to ambush someone, said someone runs away - and is killed for it.

But he was armed. I believe the training would go like this... suspect is confronted... suspect is armed and dangerous. Suspect is issued commands... failure to comply with said commands results in shooting the suspect.

It is a logical chain of events... in theory. In practice the failure to comply is him trying to run away. And this all occurs in just two seconds.

This is why it is a problem when people make these cases about race. Every time you do that - you are entirely missing the point. That THIS is America, we are armed and dangerous and the police act like it. This isn't racism, this is the Second Amendment and our utter inability to cope with it. This fact has a death toll associated with it.
 
Jaskalas said:
There is a hell of a disparity here... with men jumping out to ambush someone, said someone runs away - and is killed for it.

But he was armed. I believe the training would go like this... suspect is confronted... suspect is armed and dangerous. Suspect is issued commands... failure to comply with said commands results in shooting the suspect.

It is a logical chain of events... in theory. In practice the failure to comply is him trying to run away. And this all occurs in just two seconds.

This is why it is a problem when people make these cases about race. Every time you do that - you are entirely missing the point. That THIS is America, we are armed and dangerous and the police act like it. This isn't racism, this is the Second Amendment and our utter inability to cope with it. This fact has a death toll associated with it.
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The Police make the rules as they go!!
 
Wrong race... Nobody cares.

Couldn't find anything on CNN on the front page... But the Kardashians are ending in 2021!
 
woolfe9998 said:
Like it or not, if he had a gun, then it's a good shoot. This isn't like Rayshard Brooks who had an empty taser.
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I'm a bit confused. I thought people had the right to open carry? If having a gun is all the excuse the police need to kill you, then do you really have a 2nd amendment right?
We have to decide, is having a gun okay or a reason to be summarily executed? Because one of the biggest problems we current have is that we are trying to have it both ways.
 
SMOGZINN said:
I'm a bit confused. I thought people had the right to open carry? If having a gun is all the excuse the police need to kill you, then do you really have a 2nd amendment right?
We have to decide, is having a gun okay or a reason to be summarily executed? Because one of the biggest problems we current have is that we are trying to have it both ways.
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The question is, "Did someone call the cops because he was threatening other citizens..."

Often, law enforcement responds to disturbance calls. If the person has any outstanding warrants, they are used as excuses to search or use excessive force... (not typically shooting the person unless they shoot first) The problem with that video is the one guy that used excessive language. It was as if he drank 5 red bulls and did a line of coke on the way there. He was there specifically to discharge his weapon. If this goes up for review due to the guy's family suing the police, that "intent" is pretty evident if you ask me.

Now....if the guy had a weapon and was a serious threat...I get it. That's just not the way they should be doing business.
 
Jaskalas said:
There is a hell of a disparity here... with men jumping out to ambush someone, said someone runs away - and is killed for it.

But he was armed. I believe the training would go like this... suspect is confronted... suspect is armed and dangerous. Suspect is issued commands... failure to comply with said commands results in shooting the suspect.

It is a logical chain of events... in theory. In practice the failure to comply is him trying to run away. And this all occurs in just two seconds.

This is why it is a problem when people make these cases about race. Every time you do that - you are entirely missing the point. That THIS is America, we are armed and dangerous and the police act like it. This isn't racism, this is the Second Amendment and our utter inability to cope with it. This fact has a death toll associated with it.
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The problems with policing are far from applied equally among races. It is not one or the other.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Like it or not, if he had a gun, then it's a good shoot. This isn't like Rayshard Brooks who had an empty taser.
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We can play that game! According to the what was said this man was shot with his back turned to the cops and the gun dropping to the ground a second or 2 before the shoot....not a good shoot!
 
Artorias said:
You are telling me that supposedly five fit cops couldn't chase this person? Pathetic.
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I'm going to say....I generally like the police because they don't mess with me and I don't have any serious infractions....we've been able to coexist.

I think society needs some form of law enforcement....but that law enforcement also needs proper audit and checks and balances. You know racial profiling and biases are going to be an issue. If all of the police were black, it would likely be the exact opposite and you'd see white people being shot and assaulted. I have the most logical solution to fix this black and white conundrum....had we just looked to the cookie, we wouldn't be in this mess. I think we, as a nation, should take fire arms away from the police and only hire asian police that are experts in the martial arts.
 
Why must every encounter go from 0-100? Is it the official policy to go and shoot the suspect if they are resisting arrest? Is there no in-between where an attempt is made to apprehend the suspect without them loosing their life?

Is this the wild west where cops capture bounties either dead or alive? What were the cops backup options if the suspect flees? Immediately execute it seems by the looks of it.

This is my issue, they went in for the kill. They know the suspect is a runner, so why not plan for that? It's easy to pull your gun out and shoot to kill.
 
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