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Another nail in Crucial/Micron's coffin.

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Ice9

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Pretty soon, all the banner ads in the world won't help Micron/Crucial become profitable...

Micron loses $619 Million this past quarter

Let's see...

$619M this past quarter,
$315M the quarter before that,
$586M the quarter before that,
$024M the quarger before that......

That's $1.5 **BILLION** dollars in the past year down the tubes.

Way to go, Micron!
 
Unfortunately if they go under, supply goes down and prices go up.

Plus, crucial.com is the best place to get memory for laptops or anything else where you're not 100% sure that generic memory will work.
 
Prices need to go up as it is. Every single DDR manufacturer is losing money on each module they sell. They're all trying to drive each other out of business.

 
I'm really tempted to drop my Dual AMD workstation for a 658 and 9 chipset. RDRAM has been tempting me these past couple of weeks. Too bad Pentium4's are weak at doing heavy Batch Conversions in SF6 compared to Athlons.
 
Can't imagine that being a big CPU hog.... Either way, a P4 3.06 would make pretty short order of anything you throw at it. I know mine does 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Ice9
Prices need to go up as it is. Every single DDR manufacturer is losing money on each module they sell. They're all trying to drive each other out of business.
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Hey, who's side are you one here? Competition is good for us consumers, the lower prices the better.
 
Sorry, on the side of competition driving prices down... but NOT to the point of unprofitability.

When companies go bankrupt, people lose their jobs.
 
What happens when the competition is no longer? Better to have slightly higher prices with competition. Rather than no competion and outrageous prices.
 
There's only 3 companies that need to go away:

Micron
Hynix
Infineon.

Micron and Hynix are SO far gone, there's no way they will survive long term.

Infineon is small enough where their parent company (Siemens) could write them off (which appears to be happening, since they sold their ENTIRE 36 million share interest in the company the other day and yanked it out of their pension fund).

Hynix has been bailed out by the South Korean gov't twice already. They won't be saved a third time.

That leaves the remaining NINE dram companies. Amazingly enough, the remaining companies that manufacture DRAM's (Samsung and Elpida included) aren't in danger of going bankrupt. Now, I'm a fan of Rambus. And yknow what? The remaining memory manufacturers that manufacture drams all pay Rambus royalties on RDRAM, DDR and SDRAM. And i'm just friggin' fine with that 🙂 They're gonna be the ones that will have to pick up the slack when those loser companies go bankrupt.
 
Why?!

Crucial pc2700 is some of the BEST ram you can get out there...and its at a unbeleivable price 🙁

Where is crucial based? I say government subsidy (yes I know that is just our tax dollers but instead of just us paying the tax it'll be the entire USA) because I know Crucial is probably hit hard as a result of the economy.

Hopefully when the war is over (with few Iraqi Civilian deaths as possible...even the military b/c most are forced to fighter) Iraq will bounce back fast and will be in need of AMD pcs with some Crucial and Hynix ram 🙂
 
Either way, a P4 3.06 would make pretty short order of anything you throw at it. I know mine does
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Not according to test @ ET. That test is minor when dealing with SF6 as opposed to what I've seen in SF. So I'll stay away from P4 until further notice.
 
Originally posted by: ReMeDy{WcS}
Either way, a P4 3.06 would make pretty short order of anything you throw at it. I know mine does
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Not according to test @ ET. That test is minor when dealing with SF6 as opposed to what I've seen in SF. So I'll stay away from P4 until further notice.
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Based on all the tests on that page, it looks like those soundforge weenies never got around to compiling their executable for SSE2 🙂 Shame you're basing your processor on one application. But hey, if that's all your PC runs all day, then I guess you're correct in your decision.






 
Originally posted by: Ice9
There's only 3 companies that need to go away:

Micron
Hynix
Infineon.

Micron and Hynix are SO far gone, there's no way they will survive long term.

Infineon is small enough where their parent company (Siemens) could write them off (which appears to be happening, since they sold their ENTIRE 36 million share interest in the company the other day and yanked it out of their pension fund).

Hynix has been bailed out by the South Korean gov't twice already. They won't be saved a third time.

That leaves the remaining NINE dram companies. Amazingly enough, the remaining companies that manufacture DRAM's (Samsung and Elpida included) aren't in danger of going bankrupt. Now, I'm a fan of Rambus. And yknow what? The remaining memory manufacturers that manufacture drams all pay Rambus royalties on RDRAM, DDR and SDRAM. And i'm just friggin' fine with that 🙂 They're gonna be the ones that will have to pick up the slack when those loser companies go bankrupt.
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First you say that people lose their jobs when companies are unprofitable and go bankrupt (summary) and you appear to find that distasteful and then you say that Micron, Hynix, and Infineon need to go away. What happens when they go away? Won't the employees lose their jobs? Wouldn't that be contradictory to the reason you gave for not liking the current business model of the DRAM manufacturers?

A little consistency please...

 
Micron is based in my hometown of Boise Idaho. They are a MAJOR employer here...and Crucial is NOT Micron. Crucial is a small division of Micron. I don't wish any ill on Micron or Crucial. They make quality product.
 
You cant say Mircon's not trying to survive, there's 6 Crucial/Micron's adds on this page, 1 at the top and 5 at the bottom.
 
You cant say Mircon's not trying to survive, there's 6 Crucial/Micron's adds on this page, 1 at the top and 5 at the bottom.
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Those Ads have been running since like 2001 i believe. So I don't think that has anything to do with survival. Besides, AT is small money compared to the million dollar advertising. Advertising can't make up the figures that Ice9 has pointed out.
 
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