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destrekor

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Love that guy. Obama and Comcast must have put him there solely to have the interests of the telecoms at heart. This is one betrayal I can live with,

I bet Obama was actually hoping he would do what he is doing. Note that Obama has publicly supported a lot of what the FCC is trying to achieve or has already achieved.

Wheeler had worked with Obama back when he was a fresh-faced Senator, helping Obama to shape his views on technology prior to and during his Presidential campaign. And then Wheeler helped with the transition of administrations and then played a key role in the Technical Advisory Council.

This is a great read:
http://arstechnica.com/business/201...came-the-broadband-industrys-worst-nightmare/

Either way, it was absolutely terrific that the Industry titans were thrilled at his nomination as FCC Chairman. They thought they had it made with a best buddy in control... oh how sweet and delicious it was for the consumer advocates to see the titans lose their minds as Wheeler got going. He's done a hell of a lot, and I back just about every decision he has made. He's wonderful, really.

And is just one of many reasons I want to see another democrat in the Oval Office next year: that will mean the next FCC Chairman will likely have similarly progressive views on technology and privacy, and that's something we very much need as we barrel down this path. We've already got Republicans in Congress just foaming at the mouth to squash any notion of privacy, we don't need another Republican doing the same at the FCC.

For the one issue voters out there, I really hope they are taking appropriate stock of their beliefs and are willing to help shape the future of our digital freedoms.

What really pisses me off, though, is that any of this is even political. It's disgusting. When it comes to technology and privacy, I don't want to care what political beliefs these people have, or the party to which they belong. Ugh, I hate it. But dammit the Republicans are in the pocket of any big business, so business as usual, regardless of the industry, trumps everything else. And of course they're the PATRIOT Act fools who would love to kill all our of freedoms to help make sure we feel safe. And we give it blindly. Oh, but don't worry, they have your back... guns, guns for everyone! That's how they win over the NRA types... they promise one freedom and silently kill off every other one they can find. Is it worth it? I support ownership of firearms, but I think responsible legislation is not the end of the world... wake up people, there's a lot more at stake than just the ownership of assault rifles. :(
 

Sonikku

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What I'm afraid of is that this guy is a fluke. The telecoms were caught completely off guard. I'm afraid in the future they'll be vetting the candidates for the role much more closely and upon finding their preferred shill will call up Hillary and tell her to put said person in charge.
 
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Oh how I wait for the day to reduce my bill by over 30 bucks and have access to and control of my own hardware.

I loved the part where the cable heads were like "well FCC you can back off now. See we opened up the service so no need for further legislative action." :D

Your move Fios! :mad:

Exactly this is what I meant & how it has worked with telecom in the past.
 

Linux23

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What I'm afraid of is that this guy is a fluke. The telecoms were caught completely off guard. I'm afraid in the future they'll be vetting the candidates for the role much more closely and upon finding their preferred shill will call up Hillary and tell her to put said person in charge.

oh they are going to vet the hell out of the next guy. fool me once.
 
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Oh how I wait for the day to reduce my bill by over 30 bucks and have access to and control of my own hardware.

I loved the part where the cable heads were like "well FCC you can back off now. See we opened up the service so no need for further legislative action." :D

Your move Fios! :mad:
This capability has been available for around 10 years now using a cablecard, a cablecard tuner, and Windows Media Center. I haven't paid for a cable box rental in almost 7 years.

What's sad is that WMC is still the best cable guide UI out there and MS has dropped it just before cable box requirements are being changed.
 

MustISO

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Love the idea of not having to rent the cable boxes and DVR's and I assume this won't count against the data cap (although this is Comcast we're talking about). Wonder how they're going to make up the difference? Streaming fee: $30/month?
 
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This capability has been available for around 10 years now using a cablecard, a cablecard tuner, and Windows Media Center. I haven't paid for a cable box rental in almost 7 years.

What's sad is that WMC is still the best cable guide UI out there and MS has dropped it just before cable box requirements are being changed.

That's great as long as the cable card remains free, which there is no guarantee it will. Fios charges $7 per month for a cable card plus you get the completely irritating set up.
 

John Connor

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as opposed to what? 10, 20, 30 years ago, when cable was full of quality shows? o_O


I can vouch for Dude111's assertion. I want to watch a movie on the weekend and it's either a rerun from two to three weeks ago, a horror flick I don't care to watch or a medicore movie I have zero interest in once so ever. Sometimes you find a gem though, not always. I have yet to really use On Demand with Comcast though. Last time I browsed the line up I wasn't impressed. When I first got cable I did like the Playboy exercise channel. :D

Another cable fuck up so to speak is the History Channel or Discovery channel. I mean, since when did Pawn Stars mean history? It's reality TV BS in the name of ratings. History channel used to be awesome! I've learned so much over the years from that one damn channel. Now you flip to H2 or the Smithsonian channel. And then H2 plays asinine crap. Ancient Aliens? American Uneartherd? WTF! Lame....

Don't get me started on The Military Channel, which for some dumbass reason has now changed to The American Heroes Channel (AHC). They don't play war shit as much as they used to. I think it was last night I saw AHC show ancient Egypt stuff. That's all fine and well, BUT WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MILITARY SHIT?! Ugh! I want to see something like Future Weapons or Air Aces.

I've known Dude111 for a while since he's all over the net. Believe me, just Google him. He's like a minimalist or something. So it makes since he would say today's TV just sucks. But I can agree to this as it really does!


Speaking of TV. If any cable executive is reading this, FFS bring back USA's Cartoon Express! Cartoon Network is shit! I, at the ripe old age of 35 wanna see GI Joe, The Real Ghostbusters, Scooby Doo, etc. LOL So-called Cartoon Network plays kaka mamy shit that doesn't appeal to me. I want to see old school yo! Or at least play Regular Show. I can't remember the last time I seen the damn show. Cartoon Network plays nothing but Teen Titans Go all freaking day!

Anyway....
 

John Connor

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I bet Obama was actually hoping he would do what he is doing. Note that Obama has publicly supported a lot of what the FCC is trying to achieve or has already achieved.

Wheeler had worked with Obama back when he was a fresh-faced Senator, helping Obama to shape his views on technology prior to and during his Presidential campaign. And then Wheeler helped with the transition of administrations and then played a key role in the Technical Advisory Council.

This is a great read:
http://arstechnica.com/business/201...came-the-broadband-industrys-worst-nightmare/

Either way, it was absolutely terrific that the Industry titans were thrilled at his nomination as FCC Chairman. They thought they had it made with a best buddy in control... oh how sweet and delicious it was for the consumer advocates to see the titans lose their minds as Wheeler got going. He's done a hell of a lot, and I back just about every decision he has made. He's wonderful, really.

And is just one of many reasons I want to see another democrat in the Oval Office next year: that will mean the next FCC Chairman will likely have similarly progressive views on technology and privacy, and that's something we very much need as we barrel down this path. We've already got Republicans in Congress just foaming at the mouth to squash any notion of privacy, we don't need another Republican doing the same at the FCC.

For the one issue voters out there, I really hope they are taking appropriate stock of their beliefs and are willing to help shape the future of our digital freedoms.

What really pisses me off, though, is that any of this is even political. It's disgusting. When it comes to technology and privacy, I don't want to care what political beliefs these people have, or the party to which they belong. Ugh, I hate it. But dammit the Republicans are in the pocket of any big business, so business as usual, regardless of the industry, trumps everything else. And of course they're the PATRIOT Act fools who would love to kill all our of freedoms to help make sure we feel safe. And we give it blindly. Oh, but don't worry, they have your back... guns, guns for everyone! That's how they win over the NRA types... they promise one freedom and silently kill off every other one they can find. Is it worth it? I support ownership of firearms, but I think responsible legislation is not the end of the world... wake up people, there's a lot more at stake than just the ownership of assault rifles. :(


FCC decisions aren't (or shouldn't) be political decisions. Although, the bastard IRS is. But I digress. Republicans are no better than Democrats, but to tell you the truth. Your modern day Democrat isn't a Democrat. They have morphed into a quasi-Socialist party.

No, the issues in government should be weighed using common sense. Common sense in what's best for the public's interest since I am a representative of the people. But it's a lobbying, pat my back I'll pat your back, crooked businesses that is politics. If I were President I'd ban lobbying and ban earmarks. You pass a bill it has to be for that specific purpose. Not to include millions (or billions as that is a house hold term anymore) in the bill for this or that.

Common sense.
 
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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-set-top-box-alternative-20160616-snap-story.html?yptr=yahoo


A rather lol proposal, don't make us do it an we'll do it ourselves even though we had no intention to do so prior to your threat. Would rather have buyable set top box type item as streamed quality in general sucks compared to a dedicated signal over cable or fiber.

Agreed I'll predict their apps will have barely HD streaming, like 720i to keep data down and encourage someone to keep paying for their box.
 

destrekor

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Agreed I'll predict their apps will have barely HD streaming, like 720i to keep data down and encourage someone to keep paying for their box.

They have some decent apps now, IIRC, but, they're all IPTV, just another solution to having a "catch up" service where you can stream shows from any channel to which you are subscribed.

Which is not what the FCC's proposal is about - it's essentially the replacement to what was originally seen as CableCARD 2.0 (which was always going to be all software, no physical card). It's not entirely what it was, but it's just as good.

Sometimes I am absolutely puzzled. I have seen editors at Forbes completely blast the entire idea of a CableCARD successor, going so far as to say CableCARD was a complete bust. It was, unless you cared to use it. It showed that it was a more costly and less efficient method to obtain the desired outcome: let consumers have total and final choice. The Forbes article had basically sounded like it was written to please the cable industry, because all it basically argued was that this slow and fumbling proposals and technologies only serve to slow the pace of innovation. Which, in some industries, I'd agree. But not in cable.

Sure, they are starting to come out with multi-platform apps and other ways of accessing their services without a cable box. So? They are still incredibly lacking in total accessibility: the previously mentioned IPTV and lack of true DVR are two major issues.

And remember, the cable industry is constantly out-innovated. DVR? Didn't exist until TiVo became a threat. Apps and other means of accessing media on demand outside of the box? Not until the streaming industry and cord-cutting become a major threat.

They'll eventually match these innovations, but they'll do everything in their power to restrict users to their specific platforms for as long as possible.

Provide a software equivalent to CableCARD, and let third party manufacturers incorporate the licensing and protocols to provide a multitude of options. Harm the bottom lines of the industry? A little - box rental fees won't pad their revenue numbers nearly as much. You'll still get plenty of those though, because some people are just more comfortable with the full cable solution. But hell, make it easier for customers to use cable as they see fit, and you'll actually get some customers to return, or pay for more services. The industry is being short sighted as always - it'll help them in a time when competitive services are grabbing the attention of subscribers left and right.

If I can have a software DVR solution on an HTPC or NAS box, without requiring the use of a CableCARD device and tuning adapter, the HTPC DVR market will boom. If device manufacturers, new and old, can offer an all-in-one set top box that incorporates all the latest streaming services with a quality custom cable DVR baked in, that'll win over some customers. If more Smart TVs can integrate a fully digital tuner without needing a legacy CableCARD, and perhaps even include a DVR solution (storage would be easy to integrate into a TV), that'll sell. That's just one feature missing from the various streaming methods available to customers. And customers will like it. Less box rentals from the cable co? Sure. But I feel quite confident in saying that they will be guaranteed more subscribers, and current subscribers adding more channels.
 

CZroe

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They have some decent apps now, IIRC, but, they're all IPTV, just another solution to having a "catch up" service where you can stream shows from any channel to which you are subscribed.



Which is not what the FCC's proposal is about - it's essentially the replacement to what was originally seen as CableCARD 2.0 (which was always going to be all software, no physical card). It's not entirely what it was, but it's just as good.



Sometimes I am absolutely puzzled. I have seen editors at Forbes completely blast the entire idea of a CableCARD successor, going so far as to say CableCARD was a complete bust. It was, unless you cared to use it. It showed that it was a more costly and less efficient method to obtain the desired outcome: let consumers have total and final choice. The Forbes article had basically sounded like it was written to please the cable industry, because all it basically argued was that this slow and fumbling proposals and technologies only serve to slow the pace of innovation. Which, in some industries, I'd agree. But not in cable.



Sure, they are starting to come out with multi-platform apps and other ways of accessing their services without a cable box. So? They are still incredibly lacking in total accessibility: the previously mentioned IPTV and lack of true DVR are two major issues.



And remember, the cable industry is constantly out-innovated. DVR? Didn't exist until TiVo became a threat. Apps and other means of accessing media on demand outside of the box? Not until the streaming industry and cord-cutting become a major threat.



They'll eventually match these innovations, but they'll do everything in their power to restrict users to their specific platforms for as long as possible.



Provide a software equivalent to CableCARD, and let third party manufacturers incorporate the licensing and protocols to provide a multitude of options. Harm the bottom lines of the industry? A little - box rental fees won't pad their revenue numbers nearly as much. You'll still get plenty of those though, because some people are just more comfortable with the full cable solution. But hell, make it easier for customers to use cable as they see fit, and you'll actually get some customers to return, or pay for more services. The industry is being short sighted as always - it'll help them in a time when competitive services are grabbing the attention of subscribers left and right.



If I can have a software DVR solution on an HTPC or NAS box, without requiring the use of a CableCARD device and tuning adapter, the HTPC DVR market will boom. If device manufacturers, new and old, can offer an all-in-one set top box that incorporates all the latest streaming services with a quality custom cable DVR baked in, that'll win over some customers. If more Smart TVs can integrate a fully digital tuner without needing a legacy CableCARD, and perhaps even include a DVR solution (storage would be easy to integrate into a TV), that'll sell. That's just one feature missing from the various streaming methods available to customers. And customers will like it. Less box rentals from the cable co? Sure. But I feel quite confident in saying that they will be guaranteed more subscribers, and current subscribers adding more channels.

The HTPC DVR market didn't boom in 2005 when people were finally able to build a decent Windows XP MCE 2K5 system. Instead, cable companies started making and selling/renting inferior DVR as a service. It seems that customer expectations have shifted to expect this, as even you seem to thing it needs to be some cable co innovation. Me? I don't think of it that way AT ALL. I have always 100% divorced the concepts of he service and the devices. It still blows my mind that most people have whatever WiFi router their ISP provides and expects me to do the same.
 

destrekor

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The HTPC DVR market didn't boom in 2005 when people were finally able to build a decent Windows XP MCE 2K5 system. Instead, cable companies started making and selling/renting inferior DVR as a service. It seems that customer expectations have shifted to expect this, as even you seem to thing it needs to be some cable co innovation. Me? I don't think of it that way AT ALL. I have always 100% divorced the concepts of he service and the devices. It still blows my mind that most people have whatever WiFi router their ISP provides and expects me to do the same.

Wait... did you actually read my post?


First, the HTPC DVR market didn't boom because there were two solutions available that people were aware of: the Capture method using devices like the All in Wonder, Hauppauge, or other similar capture cards; or using CableCARD. The problem is, CableCARD on the PC took along while to come about. So if you had premium channels, you either had to have a dedicated third-party set top box, typically a TiVo, or you had to settle for the capture card route, which produced inferior results in the end, and STILL, you had to be tethered to a cable box to handle the allow you to have all the channels.

It has been a very limited market, further limited still by the need for comfort working with technology in that manner. But even ignoring the HTPC route, which your average joe is never going to consider, third party set top box selection was abysmal. Basically, it was TiVo or bust. And you had the very rare consumer-specific STBs from Sony that were barely a blip on the radar. And as the majority only ever knew of TiVo, it was further confounded by the fact that there was a subscription charge. That's why most consumers, faced with a subscription charge (yes, the one time lifetime license was an option, but I bet many never considered it, or knew of it), figured it was better to just have the same subscription charge from their cable company, so that it was 100% serviced by them. It usually cost more because there was a regular box fee AND the DVR fee, but for many consumers, they find it more comforting than the DIY route, even if it's cheaper.

What I envision is not a sudden surge of people wanting to adopt clunky DIY HTPC solutions, I don't think that market will explode. Increase? Sure, as more tech-minded people welcome the idea thanks to an easier to implement solution. But on the contrary, I expect that in years to come, there will be more branded HTPC solutions (w/DVR functionality as one configuration). Think of the Steam Boxes, but marketed for HTPC instead of gaming.

Surely it will be slow at first, because there's the reason why it's not a huge market right now: it's not very popular due to the current situations in the industry. And it's sort of a self-fulling prophecy, in that consumers aren't interested because the products aren't interesting, and the products aren't interesting because manufacturers don't want to invest. Companies have come and gone in that arena.

For example, Moxi was a brilliant solution, I owned one. It was expensive, but it had no fee, and a gorgeous interface. It won some hearts for sure. While it started as a cable company thing, Arris thought they had a winning product and released it to consumers as the Moxi HDDVR. It turned out Moxi wasn't selling well at all, so they killed the consumer business and strengthened their cable company business, with huge success. Whole home media gateways are almost all Arris these days, most with the Moxi interface and features.

The other issue so far has been what I mentioned earlier, how clunky solutions have been up till now. Yes, we see it as relatively easy to combine an HDHomeRun Prime w/ CableCARD and perhaps a dedicated HTPC. That's been my go-to setup and I like it. But getting the whole thing up and running was never 100% straight forward (I never had a problem, but I recognize where it can be funky), and it's going to get even worse as Microsoft is exiting the HTPC/DVR market, essentially killing off WMC. No other marketable solution exists for those users who need CableCARD to access all their channels. Thankfully it seems HDHR's DVR software is progressing, but very, very slowly, and they never had quality software out there in the first place, so it's really starting from the ground up for them so the delays make total sense. They bit off more than they could chew, promised the world then realized they had far more work ahead of them then anticipated.

And the whole CableCARD solution itself is incredibly clunky, and notoriously a pain in the ass for manufacturers. I bet that, with a software-based CableCARD replacement, more device manufacturers will want to get in the game. Till now, what possible interest would Roku or Apple have in introducing a CableCARD-ready device? That's all that is really missing from Roku and AppleTV: a Cable and DVR solution to marry to all the streaming services on their devices. Make it a software solution, and now it's a matter of incorporating it into the OS/firmware, and not a total rethinking of how to handle the hardware aspects.

As for the other part of your post, I think you completely misinterpreted what I had to say about innovation. I am viewing this from all angles, and understand the business side of things as well as the user experience and psychological aspects of consumer interest.

Do note I said cable company innovation is not innovation at all (if you pare down my wall of text, that is), and rather, they play catch up and "innovate" to remain relevant and maintain their revenues as other players catch the interest of consumers.

But that is also what the cable companies are arguing, that they are the driving force of innovation and we will all be better if they continue that trend. Notice I said that's what they are thinking, not I. And I think you may have took a few of those sections as representing my own thoughts.

If I add anything else, I'll just be repeating what I already said. So I invite you to reread my post, but with more attention to detail.

Also, of course cable companies expect you to be the same as the average dumb consumer. They sell all these integrated services because they know that will make customers happy. Hell, my sister even says her Time Warner service is great in the same breath as saying her wifi is very strong. And frankly, I don't blame cable companies at all. Hell, in the end, for those of us who can handle our own technology, it certainly removes the burden of providing tech support for friends and family. If the cable company provides it, the company services it. If they buy a third party device from Best Buy, they get little support, because calling a manufacturer's tech line is a hell of a lot different compared to calling the cable company. And really, it is, and I don't blame people for sticking to cable company services like that. It's easier for them in the end, and usually, something like wifi is free.
Now, leaving the SSID and passwords all the same, that's a different matter, but we can't help stupid. ;)
 
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poofyhairguy

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But on the contrary, I expect that in years to come, there will be more branded HTPC solutions (w/DVR functionality as one configuration).

We already have those without the DVR function. A Roku or an Apple TV is basically a HTPC for the masses.

If a system is put in place to replace the cable box it will be these set top boxes that benefit, not anything with an x86 chip in it.
 

CZroe

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Wait... did you actually read my post?


First, the HTPC DVR market didn't boom because there were two solutions available that people were aware of: the Capture method using devices like the All in Wonder, Hauppauge, or other similar capture cards; or using CableCARD. The problem is, CableCARD on the PC took along while to come about. So if you had premium channels, you either had to have a dedicated third-party set top box, typically a TiVo, or you had to settle for the capture card route, which produced inferior results in the end, and STILL, you had to be tethered to a cable box to handle the allow you to have all the channels.

It has been a very limited market, further limited still by the need for comfort working with technology in that manner. But even ignoring the HTPC route, which your average joe is never going to consider, third party set top box selection was abysmal. Basically, it was TiVo or bust. And you had the very rare consumer-specific STBs from Sony that were barely a blip on the radar. And as the majority only ever knew of TiVo, it was further confounded by the fact that there was a subscription charge. That's why most consumers, faced with a subscription charge (yes, the one time lifetime license was an option, but I bet many never considered it, or knew of it), figured it was better to just have the same subscription charge from their cable company, so that it was 100% serviced by them. It usually cost more because there was a regular box fee AND the DVR fee, but for many consumers, they find it more comforting than the DIY route, even if it's cheaper.

What I envision is not a sudden surge of people wanting to adopt clunky DIY HTPC solutions, I don't think that market will explode. Increase? Sure, as more tech-minded people welcome the idea thanks to an easier to implement solution. But on the contrary, I expect that in years to come, there will be more branded HTPC solutions (w/DVR functionality as one configuration). Think of the Steam Boxes, but marketed for HTPC instead of gaming.

Surely it will be slow at first, because there's the reason why it's not a huge market right now: it's not very popular due to the current situations in the industry. And it's sort of a self-fulling prophecy, in that consumers aren't interested because the products aren't interesting, and the products aren't interesting because manufacturers don't want to invest. Companies have come and gone in that arena.

For example, Moxi was a brilliant solution, I owned one. It was expensive, but it had no fee, and a gorgeous interface. It won some hearts for sure. While it started as a cable company thing, Arris thought they had a winning product and released it to consumers as the Moxi HDDVR. It turned out Moxi wasn't selling well at all, so they killed the consumer business and strengthened their cable company business, with huge success. Whole home media gateways are almost all Arris these days, most with the Moxi interface and features.

The other issue so far has been what I mentioned earlier, how clunky solutions have been up till now. Yes, we see it as relatively easy to combine an HDHomeRun Prime w/ CableCARD and perhaps a dedicated HTPC. That's been my go-to setup and I like it. But getting the whole thing up and running was never 100% straight forward (I never had a problem, but I recognize where it can be funky), and it's going to get even worse as Microsoft is exiting the HTPC/DVR market, essentially killing off WMC. No other marketable solution exists for those users who need CableCARD to access all their channels. Thankfully it seems HDHR's DVR software is progressing, but very, very slowly, and they never had quality software out there in the first place, so it's really starting from the ground up for them so the delays make total sense. They bit off more than they could chew, promised the world then realized they had far more work ahead of them then anticipated.

And the whole CableCARD solution itself is incredibly clunky, and notoriously a pain in the ass for manufacturers. I bet that, with a software-based CableCARD replacement, more device manufacturers will want to get in the game. Till now, what possible interest would Roku or Apple have in introducing a CableCARD-ready device? That's all that is really missing from Roku and AppleTV: a Cable and DVR solution to marry to all the streaming services on their devices. Make it a software solution, and now it's a matter of incorporating it into the OS/firmware, and not a total rethinking of how to handle the hardware aspects.

As for the other part of your post, I think you completely misinterpreted what I had to say about innovation. I am viewing this from all angles, and understand the business side of things as well as the user experience and psychological aspects of consumer interest.

Do note I said cable company innovation is not innovation at all (if you pare down my wall of text, that is), and rather, they play catch up and "innovate" to remain relevant and maintain their revenues as other players catch the interest of consumers.

But that is also what the cable companies are arguing, that they are the driving force of innovation and we will all be better if they continue that trend. Notice I said that's what they are thinking, not I. And I think you may have took a few of those sections as representing my own thoughts.

If I add anything else, I'll just be repeating what I already said. So I invite you to reread my post, but with more attention to detail.

Also, of course cable companies expect you to be the same as the average dumb consumer. They sell all these integrated services because they know that will make customers happy. Hell, my sister even says her Time Warner service is great in the same breath as saying her wifi is very strong. And frankly, I don't blame cable companies at all. Hell, in the end, for those of us who can handle our own technology, it certainly removes the burden of providing tech support for friends and family. If the cable company provides it, the company services it. If they buy a third party device from Best Buy, they get little support, because calling a manufacturer's tech line is a hell of a lot different compared to calling the cable company. And really, it is, and I don't blame people for sticking to cable company services like that. It's easier for them in the end, and usually, something like wifi is free.
Now, leaving the SSID and passwords all the same, that's a different matter, but we can't help stupid. ;)

I understood perfectly. What I pointed out was that even when cable-ready analog service allowed people to just plug in the cable wire for multi-channel DVR, DIY HTPC DVRs did not take off. Non-DIY Sony GigaPocket, TiVo, and XP MCE before that didn't stave of the provider-issued DVR boxes either. built one for me, sure, but everyone else seemed to get stuck in the mentality that DVR was supposed to be a service from your content provider.
 
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