Another Monopoly going down?

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JoeBleed

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From my memory of a long time ago, when things like HBO were first offered you had to have a box installed to descramble the signal and I don't believe there was a charge for that.

To a large degree, the current STBs do the same but the companies have found it convient to tach on eternal rental charges on it as an easy way to pad their income.

They used filters that they physically installed in the line. Boxes were needed, from what i remember, because tv sets were only made to pickup vhf/uhf signals. they could also not handle more than a 25-32 channels i think.

Once the FCC allowed tv manufactures to start including cable tuners in TVs. the box were no longer needed. From the cable company my parents had, HBO and Show time were controlled by in-line filters installed on the drop to your house.
 

lupi

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First vote held to officially enter the exploratory phase was held and passed.
 

Sonikku

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Comcast must be fuming. They thought getting their guy in there was going to hamstring precisely this kind of bullshit curbing. They knew how to rig the game and still lost. How terrible for them.
 

Sonikku

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They'll try to shuffle around the cost but it will be in a way that's more transparent. So instead of the bill and TV ad being all like

$100!*

*plus $80 in fees, leasing charges, taxes

The bill is instead just $180.
 

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Glad to see the FCC starting the process. It would be great if TVs just had the systems built in to decode the signals and receive on-demand/pay-per-view without the need of a box. There's no doubt Comcast and other companies will spend millions trying to defeat it and if it does pass, any money lost will be passed on in other ways.

This is a perfect example of just how delusional the cable providers and their special interests are:

Opposition group The Future of TV Coalition, members of which include AT&T, Comcast and Verizon, as well as the National Cable & Telecommunications Association, has promised to fight new rules with legal challenges if necessary. Concerns raised include protection of consumer privacy and the intellectual property of the content delivered via pay TV systems.

They're just looking out for our best interests.
 
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I think they're looking at it wrong (carriers). They should look at it as an opportunity to sell better hardware for profit. I realize everyone want recurring revenue but this may end up being a retention thing too. If I buy a box/dvr/thing to use for FiOS TV I'm going to stay with FiOS.
 

bononos

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Don't forget you local government and state tack on fee's as well, why? cause they can, that's why. WTF is an "internet connectivity" fee about?, here in FL there is no state income tax so they have to get creative in grabbing $$ from people. My favorite LOL fee is the "tire and battery disposal fee" tacked onto every car rented in FL, gee, I was only going to have the car 5 days, did Avis plan on changing out the tires and putting in a new battery when I brought it back?. I'd wish they'd be just honest and open and list it as " we're going to fuck you for $5 fee cause we can".

Ah its always the govt's fault. The thread title was about one of the monopolies in America that always never gets attention in the media.

Tire and battery disposal makes sense since the govt has the job of cleaning up after factories and things like old tires/batteries. And since Florida can't collect income tax to do the job, people who rent/drive cars are going to pay for it. Some states stick a tax on new tires/batteries to do the same thing.
 

Elixer

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Also, here's a thought about someone's comment before with high housing turn over and being easier to kill cable to a house by the new people not having a cable box.

I would think, though i don't know, that if they are providing fully digital service now, wouldn't their distribution gear allow them to shut off service for a drop remotely just like the phone company can do? they don't need to go out and physically disconnect the service. I know some providers can do this based on some techs saying they had to do this before. It makes sense that would be true. All providers may not have this ability yet, but i would imagine they will soon.

Actually, here is the deal.
Going all digital meant that, you need to decrypt the signal to get any picture.
That means, that you can no longer just hook up the CATV line to your TV and get a picture.
However, now, since a box is required, what some people are doing is, they have 1 house order 5-6 boxes, and then pass those boxes to their neighbors, who now, instead of paying $170 for CATV, they can each pay $25 or whatever and get the same thing.
As far at the cable company knows, those boxes are all registered, and that is it. They can't tell to which house they are hooked up at.
So, to avoid this, they STILL need to add filters to the line to prevent this type of an abuse.

The FCC wants to have all this done in software, which has advantages, but, the cable companies want full control.
I rather like this new rule by the FCC, but, you can bet it is going to court soon, and it will be tied up.
All content providers are kicking and screaming, being dragged to the digital age.
I rather be able to buy a device like the Homerun Prime, let it communicate with the authentication server, and watch what I paid for, when I want.
The current cable boxes are dogs, and the DVR ones are even worse with double encryption, so you can't play it on any device of your choosing.
 

Jeff7

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Glad to see the FCC starting the process. It would be great if TVs just had the systems built in to decode the signals and receive on-demand/pay-per-view without the need of a box. There's no doubt Comcast and other companies will spend millions trying to defeat it and if it does pass, any money lost will be passed on in other ways.

This is a perfect example of just how delusional the cable providers and their special interests are:

Opposition group The Future of TV Coalition, members of which include AT&T, Comcast and Verizon, as well as the National Cable & Telecommunications Association, has promised to fight new rules with legal challenges if necessary. Concerns raised include protection of consumer privacy and the intellectual property of the content delivered via pay TV systems.

They're just looking out for our best interests.
"The Future of TV." :D


Remember how player pianos destroyed music? After which tape recorders also destroyed it forever? Or how VHS completely erased the movie industry?
But this time it's for real. The Mayan calendar said so.
 

JoeBleed

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Actually, here is the deal.
Going all digital meant that, you need to decrypt the signal to get any picture.
That means, that you can no longer just hook up the CATV line to your TV and get a picture.
However, now, since a box is required, what some people are doing is, they have 1 house order 5-6 boxes, and then pass those boxes to their neighbors, who now, instead of paying $170 for CATV, they can each pay $25 or whatever and get the same thing.
As far at the cable company knows, those boxes are all registered, and that is it. They can't tell to which house they are hooked up at.
So, to avoid this, they STILL need to add filters to the line to prevent this type of an abuse.

I would figure the cable companies distribution equipment/switches would be able to disable a port to disable service. meaning the port attached to the cable running to the neighbors house would still have no signal for the shared box to decrypt. I've know people do the sharing thing with satellite equipment. There, as far as i know, is no way to stop that as long as they know how to install and align their own dish. Makes me wonder if that's why the shared box/dvr in a house is a big thing.

Edit: oh, and lets not forget, going digital is separate from encrypting their signal. they encrypted it so the QAM tuners in TV sets will not work with it.
 
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Elixer

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Yeah, clear QAM was sane, and allowed TV makers to have a built in tuner.
Now, you need a cable card tuner, and that can be such a headache to setup, that most makers don't even bother with any tuner now.
They are just a display device with possible internet connection.
 

lupi

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Yep. All FCC is doing is trying to even the economics of the situation. First going digital and having tvs with built in qam tuners evened things up. Then they went and encrypted most channels so just a qam tuner wouldn't work so we got "cable cards". It has been a continued escalation with the consumer picking up the tab for what amounts to the cable companies DRM.

Imagine if the next generation of the firetv box could get a software update and then be able to serve as a defacto set top box. That would be great and is all the FCC is looking to do.

Currently in what should be a favorable environment for economy of scales, the signal providers have hijacked that into anything but due to the limited amount of supplies and restrictions they've been allowed to have on the equipment supply chain.
 

zinfamous

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"The Future of TV." :D


Remember how player pianos destroyed music? After which tape recorders also destroyed it forever? Or how VHS completely erased the movie industry?
But this time it's for real. The Mayan calendar said so.

Mandating catalytic converters, seatbelts, and better fuel economy all doomed the auto industry as the insiders at the time warned us it would.

If only we had listened to them. :(
 
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I haven't thought about how crappy boxes are until reading this thread.
For example to watch "the walking dead" on demand requires 18 key pushes and 3 or 4 usually take more than one push because the box is bogged down.
Also when I select "the walking dead-HD" it defaults to SD and I have to select HD a second time. I know its a first world problem but as I said before I've paid around $1,000 for this box over the years.
 

John Connor

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Monolpoly is part of this countries history and it will continue to be the part of this countries future. Now days they are just getting more creative at hiding it.

You add legal corruption (lobbying) to the equation and I'm not exactly sure how anyone can be even remote surprised.

;)


You forgot this sentence in the article, Mr. Socialist.

Competition and game-changing innovation followed, from lower-priced phones to answering machines to technology that is the foundation of the Internet.
 

John Connor

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I don't see this enticing cord cutters anytime soon. People cut the cord because the damn bill is so high for TV and since the a la carte bill failed that would have given the consumer a damn choice on what channels they wanted to watch people are constantly fucked. What's an extra $5/month when the cable bill cost almost $200 a month just for service?

Must watch: NSFW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMcny_pixDw

This begs the question: Why do new TVs have like over a 200 channel capability? Is this for over the air HDTV? I heard in some areas you could plug in your cable line and get basic HDTV channels. Providing the cable is connected at the tap.
 
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John Connor

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I haven't thought about how crappy boxes are until reading this thread.
For example to watch "the walking dead" on demand requires 18 key pushes and 3 or 4 usually take more than one push because the box is bogged down.
Also when I select "the walking dead-HD" it defaults to SD and I have to select HD a second time. I know its a first world problem but as I said before I've paid around $1,000 for this box over the years.


Comcrap now has a voice enabled remote. I guess you just say, "record the playboy channel." or some shit.
 

John Connor

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Mandating catalytic converters, seatbelts, and better fuel economy all doomed the auto industry as the insiders at the time warned us it would.

If only we had listened to them. :(


Catalytic converters are bull shit when we could have more efficient engines, LNG hybrids, etc. Actually, the MPG has risen. Well, by mandate.

Then you have to pay out your ass to smog your vehicle.

My dad pulled his catalytic converter off since he works in ND half a year and they don't have smoging BS. He says he now gets better gas millage.
 
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I'll be honest, after going 2+ years with the cable cord cut I just signed up for a 1-Year deal of Cable + Internet. ComCrap is getting desperate - and with my Internet promo that just ran out my bill skyrocketed to $70.

So here were my options:
1. Basic Cable (Shit channels) + 25mb Internet for $50
2. Slightly Faster Internet for $50 (I forget the mb).

Regardless, 25mb has always been fast enough for me. I hardly complain about waiting 5 seconds or 10 seconds. So I went with the cable. By the way, their "basic cable" is essentially all your local channels. It is total and complete shit. The only thing that made up for it is that you get the choice of HBO/Cinemax/whatever for the year as well. Oh well, something tells me the promos next year will skyrocket and I'll drop the cable again. Until then, it's sadly the best option at the moment.
 

Raduque

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When Grande ran the cable lines at my new place, the tech flat out told me "This filter is to block the cable tv signal. If you want, you could come out here and remove it and we'd never know."

I'm only paying for internet.
 
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People in here act like cable is some sort of major expense. I would bet many in here pay more for far less satisfying one-time events on a monthly basis.

Cutting the cord really isn't all that. I tried it years before it was a thing and it sucked then too. Whatever though. Have a blast following in the footsteps of the herd.