Another migrant caravan heading for the USA ...

[CrackRabbit]

For a lot of us, we can do that simply going to the garden in our back yards. And I live in a city.

There are also local farmer's markets just about everywhere, where local farmers who aren't even big enough operations to employ armies of illegal laborers sell their stuff very affordably, and usually much better quality than the big business labor-cheaters.

Your lazy ilk has been arguing the same stupid shit since it was slavery instead of the current illegal labor racket. You assholes have always insisted ending your slave/illegal labor rackets would end the economy. (Despite the fact most nations on earth manage to feed themselves just fine without exploiting their third world neighbor).

And ofcourse, ending slavery didn't tank the economy, it made it far stronger. The south was made far poorer by allowing a few fat cat assholes to undermine everyone else with their slave racket.

Gee, as it turns out, its NOT actually good for a few plantation owning nitwits to gut the legal/fairly paid market with their illicit one. But dipshits using your 'logic' were there back in the day telling dirt poor southerners they couldn't possibly do any of that work themselves, and 'lets see you go a day without some slave providing everything for you!'

Your ilk wants to sit up on the porch sipping your mint Julip while armies of illicit labor toils the fields for you, because you're too good to any of that icky labor stuff yourself and you don't believe (stupidly) that any US citizen has ever been a farmer.

The fat cats running illegal labor rackets and cheating the American farmer/carpenter/childcare worker/landscaper/factory worker/ electrician/plumber and on and on thank you for being an enabler of them to cheat the system, sell out the US worker, undermine wages and work conditions, and exploit your greed for profit.

They aren't actually giving you much for cheap either. It's been estimated that a fully legal system would cost Americans a whopping $16 annually in price increases. But the gain in increased wages and less strain on social systems burdened by illicit workforces is immense.

Your chickenshit is no different than assholes who said 'go for a week without slaves doing all the hard stuff!' And when people who aren't soulless assholes like you eventually shut down your illicit labor rackets, the economy doesn't crash, the sky doesn't fall, and price of everything doesn't rocket permantly to the moon.

If it were even remotely true, everyone would be starving and unable to feed themselves in every nation on earth that doesn't border Mexico and places like it.

First off I want to applaud you for at least attempting to grow some of your own food, and yes there are farmers markets where you could find some local produce that was made without the use of illegal labor but they will always remain small and not able to provide the economy of scale required to feed masses of people that a larger farm does.
But you missed my point entirely.
Most of us don't have the luxury of being able to not buy things at a grocery store if we want fresh produce, meat or dairy products; most of which are produced either in another country where the cost is much lower, or grown here with the use of migrant and illegal labor.
I don't want these people trapped in the current system of working under the table for a pittance because it's more than they would make in their home country. I like you want their labor legitimized and them paid a fair wage for their work, and them to be here legally even if it costs more.
The point I was trying to make to the less than intelligent poster and now you is this; by buying the products that are produced using illegal labor, you are supporting the exploitation of the illegal labor.
I fully admit I am guilty of it too.
Instead of supporting a solution however to actually eliminate the need for that illegal labor he wants to complain about the labor itself and you have some rant about 'fat cat plantation owners'.
So come down off your soapbox for a bit and maybe we could actually see eye to eye.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Simple clip (hopefully the link works) but it’s from fake news CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...hite-nationalist-party-stelter-rs-sot-vpx.cnn

 

[dud]

Looks like another caravan is forming up to follow the first:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...temala-heads-toward-mexico-idUSKCN1MX2JP?il=0


Second migrant caravan in Guatemala heads toward Mexico

A group of more than a thousand Central Americans in Guatemala headed toward the Mexican border on Tuesday as the first caravan of migrants paused in southern Mexico on its planned journey toward the U.S. border.

U.S. President Donald Trump has vowed to begin cutting millions of dollars in aid to Central America and called the caravan in Mexico a national emergency as he seeks to boost his Republican Party’s chances in the Nov. 6 congressional elections.

The caravan, which has been estimated at 7,000 to 10,000 mostly Honduran migrants fleeing violence and poverty in their homelands, is currently in the town of Huixtla in Chiapas state around 31 miles (50 km) north of the Guatemalan border.

Mexico’s government said in a statement on Tuesday that it had received 1,699 requests for refugee status, including children. The government estimates there are around 4,500 people in the group.

Hundreds of migrants were resting in Huixtla on Tuesday, as religious groups and companies donated clothes. Local authorities provided vaccines, food and drink.

“When we heard the caravan was coming (we joined)...people in Guatemala are also suffering from poverty. So this is an opportunity to improve my family’s life,” said Elsa Romero, a Guatemalan mother of four.

Migrant Alexander Fernandez said the column planned to move again early on Wednesday morning.

Separately, Casa del Migrante, a migrant shelter in Guatemala City, said more than 1,000 people who set out from Honduras were moving through Guatemala toward the Mexican border. Some local media said there were more than 2,000.

Trump and fellow Republicans have sought to make the caravan and immigration issues in the election, which will determine whether their party keeps control of the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives.

Honduran authorities say that at least two men have died so far on Mexican roads during the advance of the caravan. One of the men fell off a truck in Mexico, and the other died trying to get onto a truck in Guatemala, authorities said.

The caravan in Mexico is still far from the United States border - more than 1,100 miles (1,800 km).

Mexico, which has refused Trump’s demands that it pay for a border wall between the countries, tries to walk a fine line between showing solidarity with the Central American migrants and responding to Washington’s demands to control its borders.

Mexico hopes to disperse the convoy long before it can reach the border, telling migrants to register with authorities in order to submit applications for asylum in Mexico.

That process can last weeks, and migrants are supposed to stay where they register while applications are processed. If they violate those rules, they face deportation.

 

[Jhhnn]

For a lot of us, we can do that simply going to the garden in our back yards. And I live in a city.

There are also local farmer's markets just about everywhere, where local farmers who aren't even big enough operations to employ armies of illegal laborers sell their stuff very affordably, and usually much better quality than the big business labor-cheaters.

Your lazy ilk has been arguing the same stupid shit since it was slavery instead of the current illegal labor racket. You assholes have always insisted ending your slave/illegal labor rackets would end the economy. (Despite the fact most nations on earth manage to feed themselves just fine without exploiting their third world neighbor).

And ofcourse, ending slavery didn't tank the economy, it made it far stronger. The south was made far poorer by allowing a few fat cat assholes to undermine everyone else with their slave racket.

Gee, as it turns out, its NOT actually good for a few plantation owning nitwits to gut the legal/fairly paid market with their illicit one. But dipshits using your 'logic' were there back in the day telling dirt poor southerners they couldn't possibly do any of that work themselves, and 'lets see you go a day without some slave providing everything for you!'

Your ilk wants to sit up on the porch sipping your mint Julip while armies of illicit labor toils the fields for you, because you're too good to any of that icky labor stuff yourself and you don't believe (stupidly) that any US citizen has ever been a farmer.

The fat cats running illegal labor rackets and cheating the American farmer/carpenter/childcare worker/landscaper/factory worker/ electrician/plumber and on and on thank you for being an enabler of them to cheat the system, sell out the US worker, undermine wages and work conditions, and exploit your greed for profit.

They aren't actually giving you much for cheap either. It's been estimated that a fully legal system would cost Americans a whopping $16 annually in price increases. But the gain in increased wages and less strain on social systems burdened by illicit workforces is immense.

Your chickenshit is no different than assholes who said 'go for a week without slaves doing all the hard stuff!' And when people who aren't soulless assholes like you eventually shut down your illicit labor rackets, the economy doesn't crash, the sky doesn't fall, and price of everything doesn't rocket permantly to the moon.

If it were even remotely true, everyone would be starving and unable to feed themselves in every nation on earth that doesn't border Mexico and places like it.

You're such an idiot. Why would people from rural Mexico travel thousands of miles to work on the Nunes dairy in Iowa if they didn't see it as an opportunity for a better life?

 

[feralkid]

Iregardless, he is shock, shock, utterly shock.

 

[Vic]

Outrage? So now wanting EVERYONE (no exception) to follow EXISTING immigration rules and laws = outrage per you and your ilk? Quick, better tell Australia (my post #46 in this thread), Mexico (from another poster), and every single sovereign nation on Earth to cool down their outrage. How dare they do such things at their borders?

Still waiting for you or anyone that supports ILLEGALS to name one, just one country that you could sneak in/overstay the visa and after a few years, all will be forgiven. Anytime now, right guys? LOL. Talk about fairness, equality, and for the working class that liberals love to preach. Do as you say and not as you do = ??? Of course, not hypocrite, not at all, eh?

One more thing, another example of your "calm and measured" post -



Since I am a moron as you claimed, I am not smart enough to understand that "fucking" and "bullshit" = "calm and measured", right?

For the umpteenth time, I don't support illegal immigration. Nor does anyone else here.
That you keep going there with these OMG ALL CAPS posts and freaking out about some poor refugees who are never even going to see the US is why you're being called a moron.

I mean seriously, try breathing through a paper bag or something..

 

[Fanatical Meat]

For the umpteenth time, I don't support illegal immigration. Nor does anyone else here.
That you keep going there with these OMG ALL CAPS posts and freaking out about some poor refugees who are never even going to see the US is why you're being called a moron.

I mean seriously, try breathing through a paper bag or something..

Had this same problem on Facebook with a Trumper friend

“You’re for open boarders!”
Me: umm no

“You’re for letting criminals in!”
Me: if being an immigrant is criminal then yes but no I don’t want gangs or dealers or terrorists coming in

“You want to put them up in 5 star hotels! I want to live in one!”

Me: umm no I’ve never said that

 

[Vic]

You're such an idiot. Why would people from rural Mexico travel thousands of miles to work on the Nunes dairy in Iowa if they didn't see it as an opportunity for a better life?

I thought he was an idiot because he claimed he could grow all his own food from a city lot. If that were possible, we wouldn't need those farmers anymore.

But anyway, the entire "immigrants steal our jobs" point is moot because the US is currently facing a labor shortage. One so severe, in fact, that it threatens the overall economy. Now is the time when we should be revisiting our immigration laws and looking for changes to allow LEGAL ways for industries that need more LEGAL workers but no.. we get hysterics and fearmongering instead.

 

[Vic]

Had this same problem on Facebook with a Trumper friend

“You’re for open boarders!”
Me: umm no

“You’re for letting criminals in!”
Me: if being an immigrant is criminal then yes but no I don’t want gangs or dealers or terrorists coming in

“You want to put them up in 5 star hotels! I want to live in one!”

Me: umm no I’ve never said that

It's because of the fearmongering bullshit that comes from right wing "news" sources.

 

[Svnla]

For the umpteenth time, I don't support illegal immigration. Nor does anyone else here.
That you keep going there with these OMG ALL CAPS posts and freaking out about some poor refugees who are never even going to see the US is why you're being called a moron.

I mean seriously, try breathing through a paper bag or something..

No one? You do know that I posted a quote from a poster here that supported ILLEGALS in response to you above, right?

You and your ilk love to do name calling whenever you guys are unable to dispute the facts and logic. Still claiming that your posts are "calm and calculated"? LOL.

Oh, another "bullshit" from you, right above. Right on cue. So much calm and calculated.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

^^^ I had the same thought about zaap but I don’t think the claim was grow all his own food.

I live in a small city and we try to grow as much as we can without it becoming a full time job. It’s impossible to even supply a week of food unless you do something weird like only eat tomatoes or potatoes or zucchini for a week. Really hard to time it so the right combination of stuff is ready at the right time.
Even supplementing from a csa/local farm is tough but at least possible. You end up eating veggies that are either something you’ve never thought of eating or you eat a lot of the same thing.

 

[Vic]

No one? You do know that I posted a quote from a poster here that supported ILLEGALS in response to you above.

You and your ilk love to do name calling when you guys are unable to dispute the facts and logic. Like you claim that your posts are "calm and calculated"? LOL.

So argue that issue with that poster. Is that fact and logic enough for you?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's because of the fearmongering bullshit that comes from right wing "news" sources.

Funniest thing about it was when her Pastor came in and shut all of them the fuck up with “Jesus was a refugee, we know it is not right to separate children from their Parents needlessly” (or similar)

 

[Vic]

^^^ I had the same thought about zaap but I don’t think the claim was grow all his own food.

I live in a small city and we try to grow as much as we can without it becoming a full time job. It’s impossible to even supply a week of food unless you do something weird like only eat tomatoes or potatoes or zucchini for a week. Really hard to time it so the right combination of stuff is ready at the right time.
Even supplementing from a css/local farm thing is tough but at least possible. You end up eating veggies that are either something you’ve never thought of eating or you eat a lot of the same thing.

Sure, I grow a large garden every year but even in its most productive years I doubt it provides even 10% of what my small family consumes. Gardening is a hobby. If city dwellers actually could grow enough to feed ourselves, then we wouldn't still be economically and politically dependent on farmers, which we are.

 

[Svnla]

So argue that issue with that poster. Is that fact and logic enough for you?

Then don't make blanket statements as fact such as "Nor does anyone else here" or "calm and calculated"

Remember you quoted my post and said I was one of the morons and strawmen so I replied in kind. You guys keep saying stuffs and I posted your very own words to dispute your statements. That's facts and logic for you. Not more "bullshit" and "fucking" statements like you.

So much calm and calculated from you guys.

 

[Vic]

Funniest thing about it was when her Pastor came in and shut all of them the fuck up with “Jesus was a refugee, we know it is not right to separate children from their Parents needlessly” (or similar)

Which is what the Bible says.

But be careful now, that calm and measured poster is going to freak out about ILLEGAL because 'all liberals hate the Bible' or something equally ridiculous.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Sure, I grow a large garden every year but even in its most productive years I doubt it provides even 10% of what my small family consumes. Gardening is a hobby. If city dwellers actually could grow enough to feed ourselves, then we wouldn't still be economically and politically dependent on farmers, which we are.

Sounds about right, two of us in my home and we generally can supply one person with nearly a week worth of stuff but it’s a limited selection.
I truely understand that old saying that you need an acre of land to feed one person.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Which is what the Bible says.

But be careful now, that calm and measured poster is going to freak out about ILLEGAL because 'all liberals hate the Bible' or something equally ridiculous.

Nope it shut them the fuck up litterally immediately. She moved to the south and some of her local friends were fired up about immigration too.
The man shut that whole thing down. I admire Pastors like that, they are able to connect the dots in a simple & effective way.

Another great example is my Pastor shut down someone who said during service “let’s pray for the kids on (whatever day) which is bring your bible to school day”
He immediately jumped in with. This is a great thought but before you do it think about why you are doing it. I’d prefer you to read your bible that day after dinner and discuss it.l with your family. I’ll send out some suggested reading for that day.
It’s better to spread the word thru what you are rather than what has been organized
During coffee I thanked him for stepping in, those days are basically trolling days and he agreed.

 

[Jhhnn]

I thought he was an idiot because he claimed he could grow all his own food from a city lot. If that were possible, we wouldn't need those farmers anymore.

But anyway, the entire "immigrants steal our jobs" point is moot because the US is currently facing a labor shortage. One so severe, in fact, that it threatens the overall economy. Now is the time when we should be revisiting our immigration laws and looking for changes to allow LEGAL ways for industries that need more LEGAL workers but no.. we get hysterics and fearmongering instead.

I doubt we'll be facing a labor shortage much longer. The crack cocaine effect of tax cuts for the investor class wears off almost as fast as the value of bunk financial instruments hits the skids.

Expect catastrophe. It's an inherent part of poorly regulated Capitalism. When you're rich enough, it's not a bug but rather a feature.

 

[Victorian Gray]

He's baaack

 

[zerocool84]

You conservatives do know that declaring asylum is legal right?

Also you conservatives do know that you control EVERY part of the federal government and have the ability to change these laws right?

And you do know you have the ability to go after the owners of these businesses that hire illegal immigrants to stop them from getting work in the first place?

But god forbid we go after the wealthy business owners that vote republican!!! Easier to go after the poor brown people and demonize them.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think they should go after both, the business that hire illegals and the illegals.

 

[zinfamous]

i really think this should be looked at as an invasion

Yeah, I can see how that phrasing works for bedwetters.

 

[zinfamous]

I think they should go after both, the business that hire illegals and the illegals.

So, Congressman Nunes and Donald Trump sent straight to jail?

Agreed.

 

[vi edit]

Eventually all this red meat lobbed at the frothing at the mouth republican base is going to lead to gout. Or ass cancer. Possibly both. Need some veggies in that diet at some point.