Work on your reading comprehension. I did not say governors affect federal foreign policy, I said federal foreign policy can affect them. If you think that only the actions of Russia and Canada can affect her state you are hopelessly naive. Even though she can't control something, it will still affect her state and she needs to know about it. My entire point was that other things in the world will affect her state, so she should know how we interface with the world. She obviously did not. That is a gross oversight on her part.
I am unaware of any trip Palin has ever made to Iraq or Afghanistan. When did this occur?
As far as your poor analysis of the Bush Doctrine goes, that deserves its own thread. Simply put, it is far from dead.
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With all due respect, your post reveals a startling level of ignorance for someone who purports to be interested in the news. I was an active-duty military officer when the Bush Doctrine was implemented. It is taught under that name at all military officer colleges, including the Army War College, which all Army O-5s are required to attend in order to reach Colonel.
It's funny you would characterize the Bush Doctrine as an adaptation of manifest destiny - in fact that sounds like a extremely leftist view in that manifest destiny was a rationalization for America's territorial expansion, whereas the Bush Doctrine is couched in (at least theoretical) self-defense. Dick Cheney would pop a blood vessel if you said that in his presence.
The Bush Doctrine is a term coined by Democrats that means anything that happens in a America that hasa negative effect on the nation was Bush's fault one way or another.
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You are completely wrong. The Bush Doctrine was widely used by analysts of all stripes after September 11th. It follows a longstanding tradition of naming doctrines after the presidents that create them. (like the Monroe Doctrine, etc.) It was even glowingly referred to by conservative commentators as recently as 2005. It got a bad name later after it became a colossal failure.
So, nice try but incorrect.
I think we are getting our wires crossed here. I never said she should not interface with the world, just that she is not going to know every detail of US foreign policy including the specifics of what the Bush Doctrine means. She has interfaced with the world as Governor including trips to the troops in Germany, Kuwait and Iraq. (It was Kuwait and Iraq, not Afghanistan she visited. My mistake.)
Official Alaska Press Release
CBS News Article
You say dormant and I say dead. Either way the doctrine is not being practiced at this time.
And my point is that it's not 'every detail'. To put it a different way, I'm not asking that she know every word in the dictionary, but I do expect her to know the alphabet.
Not really. McCain was critical of the handling of the war from the start, including trying to fight it on the cheap and the complete dismantling of the Iraqi Government and forces. If he had handled the war, we would have been out of Iraq by now. We were right to finish the job we left undone for humanitarian reasons. The reasons Bush sold to the country were fucking wrong, but there were other great reasons to depose Saddam including the killing of millions of innocent Iraqis and Iranians.
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Your apologism is frankly kind of embarrassing. What I see in this thread is a lot of people who are ignorant of the basics of our recent foreign policy (I don't mean to presume you fit into that category) defending Sarah Palin's ignorance on the same subject. The difference is that she, unlike anyone here, is running for Vice President, a heartbeat away from the Presidency, under a 72-year-old President with a history of cancer and severe traumatic injury.
I applaud Governor Palin's trips to the middle east, but it concerns me that she had never even had a passport before taking office as governor. I frankly question whether a person who reaches age 42 without ever leaving the US can possibly be the most effective emissary for our country overseas, which is typically one of the VP's most important functions. Her ignorance of the Bush Doctrine, which is THE core military philosophy underlying the two wars in which thousands of Americans have died in the past seven years, is simply shocking IMO.
As it relates to your last point, your assertion that the Bush Doctrine "is not being practiced at this time" reflects your own apparent failure to understand what it is. Last I checked, several Americans were still dying every week in Iraq, a country which posed no apparent threat (and certainly no imminent threat) to the US when we attacked it. I will be happy when the Bush Doctrine is finally dead, but it probably won't happen for a while.
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Again, you totally fail to understand what the Bush Doctrine means. McCain was in favor of war in Iraq even before Bush was. Hell, arguably it should be called the McCain Doctrine. Meanwhile, he continues to be even more adamant about the war than President Bush is.
You should probably stop posting until you have time to do a little casual reading. You might want to start with this article from Parameters, the Army War College Quarterly.
Oh God it gets even better
PALIN: Charlie, you're in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They're very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.
GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.
GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?
PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia.
PALIN: Charlie, you're in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They're very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.
GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.
GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?
PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia.
What I mean by dead is that there is no chance that we are going to invade any other country in the near future using the doctrine. Now, if Iran gets nukes, we may see a revival of the doctrine even if Obama is President. (Obama has stated all options are on the table concerning Iran, including Millitary action if Iran acquires nukes.)
My point about Palin not knowing specifically what the Bush Doctrine's definition was does not mean she does not have a grasp of how the Bush administrations foreign policy is practiced. Read her answers again and you will see she had a grasp of the actual practices of Bush's foreign policy.
...And I'm sure all the audiophiles of the world can hear the difference between regular speaker wire and "Monster speaker wire".
You're proving the point. The cadre of folks you mention probably DO sit around a weekend campfire telling "Bush Doctrine" stories.
But, that is a relatively small group of folks. Many of this thread's posts assume an illogical commonality of the phrase, to the point of being comical... I edited my post above to highlight the point.
I'm glad you thought I sounded leftist. Funny. Actually, on almost all political tests I've taken, I have strong libertarian leanings. Really though, I'm absolutely neutral on aligning to any political philosophy as they are all equally as bad. Humans don't know how to rule themselves. Never have and never will.
The average folk AIN'T RUNNING FOR MOTHERFUCKING VICE PRESIDENT YOU DUMB FUCK
Let's lighten up on the personal insults, please.
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Fern
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Let's lighten up on the personal insults, please.
T.I.A.
Fern
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That's pure sexism. How dare you attack a woman like this? She is not yet mentally prepared for all this. She had totally answered the question but was Gibson's victim...
She has all the experience required to be one of the greatest VPs of our era. She's a pitbull... with lipstick. You have to be soft with beings having lipstick on them.
Many people were for the deposing of Saddam that were against the Bush Doctrine, including Obama's VP pick. McCain could very well be for the doctrine, but so far has failed to recently endorse all of it.
Biden was for the war before he was against it.
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