Another HOA gone mad..

[soulcougher73]

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/blogs/lo...-tells-veteran-remove-flagpole-154326848.html

"Vietnam and Korean War veteran Fred Quigley is in a battle with a developer over his wish to fly an American flag on a 14-foot flagpole outside of his home in Macedonia, Ohio. Joe Migliorini, a partner in the development company's firm and the head of the homeowners' association for the retirement community in which Quigley lives, says Quigley must fly the flag from a stanchion connected to his home. Otherwise, Migliorini points out, Quigley's patriotic display would be in violation of association rules.
"Landscapers have to work around it," Migliorini told ABC News, adding that federal flag etiquette also demands the flag be removed if it's not lit up at night. "That creates a need for electricity to be run out to the pole."
"To me, a flagpole is a thing of boldness and is substantial," Quigley told The Fall News press. "Putting a flag on your house is like putting a wreath on your door. It doesn't mean as much."

The paper explains that the development where Quigley lives is a fairly recent one--meaning that the homeowners' association isn't yet fully representative of the homeowners on site. That requirement will only be cleared once the developer sells 75 percent of the lots in the community.
That doesn't mean that Quigley and his neighbors are being quiet about the controversy, however. Migliorini claims about 20 residents have protested the flag decision so far. "Joe Migliorini is the association," Quigley complained.
Dozens of supporters, including members of the American Legion, gathered around the pole last week for a flag-raising ceremony, the paper reported.
ABC reports that 60 million Americans have to abide by various homeowners' association rules, which "decree everything from what color you can paint your house to how often your trash gets picked up and where you can park your car."
In September, we wrote about various battles between residents and homeowners associations over the Gadsden flag, which features a coiled rattlesnake and the words "Don't Tread on Me."

Stay off his lawn

 

[zzuupp]

Sorry, madness not found. He recently bought into a new location and didn't see this coming???

 

[God Mode]

If you want to do whatever you want with your home and its publically viewable surroundings, stay the fuck out of HOAs.

 

[BoomerD]

I think there ought to be a FEDERAL law that prohibits any restriction on the flying of the US flag, as long as it's done properly and tastefully. I can see not allowing a 100 foot tall flagpole and 20x30 foot flag in a crowded residential neighborhood...but a 15-25' pole with an appropriately sized flag? Perfectly fine...and should be 100% legal.
Fuck those HOA assholes who try to restrict this freedom.

 

[God Mode]

I think there ought to be a FEDERAL law that prohibits any restriction on the flying of the US flag, as long as it's done properly and tastefully. I can see not allowing a 100 foot tall flagpole and 20x30 foot flag in a crowded residential neighborhood...but a 15-25' pole with an appropriately sized flag? Perfectly fine...and should be 100% legal.
Fuck those HOA assholes who try to restrict this freedom.

How about they simply not buy from a HOA? Properly and tastefully is up to each individual.

I don't want to see Redneck Joe with a shotgun sitting in front of his house with flags everywhere. I have no faith in idiots as posted in the OP to be reasonable. They want to be obnoxious, spiteful and think none of the rules apply to them. If they want to do whatever they want, they can simply buy into a non-HOA neighborhood and do their thing. No one is stopping them.

 

[Lifted]

I think there ought to be a FEDERAL law that prohibits any restriction on the flying of the US flag, as long as it's done properly and tastefully. I can see not allowing a 100 foot tall flagpole and 20x30 foot flag in a crowded residential neighborhood...but a 15-25' pole with an appropriately sized flag? Perfectly fine...and should be 100% legal.
Fuck those HOA assholes who try to restrict this freedom.

Not that I would ever live in an HOA, but if I lived across the street from somebody who put a 25' flagpole on their front lawn with a giant flag on it... not exactly what I consider a great view from the living room window or front porch/yard.

 

[zzuupp]

Not that I would ever live in an HOA, but if I lived across the street from somebody who put a 25' flagpole on their front lawn with a giant flag on it... not exactly what I consider a great view from the living room window or front porch/yard.

And if they wanted to fly it at night, and keep it lit up...

Yeah, madness still not found.

 

[Lemon law]

I think there ought to be a FEDERAL law that prohibits any restriction on the flying of the US flag, as long as it's done properly and tastefully. I can see not allowing a 100 foot tall flagpole and 20x30 foot flag in a crowded residential neighborhood...but a 15-25' pole with an appropriately sized flag? Perfectly fine...and should be 100% legal.
Fuck those HOA assholes who try to restrict this freedom.

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Somehow I find myself in agreement with BoomerD. Even if I would not pander to Patriotism by flying an American flag, as long as its not done garishly, its an American political right.

HOA's have no damn right trespassing on the freedom's of American's, and its long past time to see most HOA's to get dope slapped in court, because they are nothing but busy body idiots with no innate rights.

Don't get me wrong, because HOA's can do some things useful, but almost every HOA I have encountered soon has delusions of only grandeur.

 

[SparkyJJO]

HOAs suck and need to die. Everyone knows this.

 

[God Mode]

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Individuals have no damn right trespassing on the freedom's of Americans, and its long past time to see most individuals to get dope slapped in court, because they are nothing but busy body idiots with no innate rights.

Don't get me wrong, because individuals can do some things useful, but almost every individual I have encountered soon has delusions of only grandeur.

FTFY.

I really don't understand how people call it a freedom issue but think HOA's should go away and or pander to each individuals wishes. The idea of freedom to a lot of people seem to attention whoring and getting pissed if acting on behalf of their freedom treads on the freedom of someone else and they get called on it.

 

[SparkyJJO]

FTFY.

I really don't understand how people call it a freedom issue but think HOA's should go away and or pander to each individuals wishes. The idea of freedom to a lot of people seem to attention whoring and getting pissed if acting on behalf of their freedom treads on the freedom of someone else and they get called on it.

Please tell me how flying an American flag treads on the freedoms of another American?

 

[God Mode]

Please tell me how flying an American flag treads on the freedoms of another American?

It wouldn't bother me but HOAs dont want them. I wouldn't sign into a HOA house if their rules disallowed things that are important to me.

 

[dmcowen674]

He moved there knowing full well it has an HOA and the rules.

He needs to move, period.

 

[Wanescotting]

War vet, can't....fly....flag? Does not compute.

 

[Skitzer]

If you want to do whatever you want with your home and its publically viewable surroundings, stay the fuck out of HOAs.

This! /thread

 

[Linflas]

War vet, can't....fly....flag? Does not compute.

War vet can fly flag on stanchion attached to house, not on freestanding 14ft flagpole. Given that the war vet signed the HOA agreement before he purchased the home outrage not found.

 

[MotF Bane]

Well, that's easy to deal with. Take the flagpole, stick it on the house, call it a stanchion.

Your move, HOAssholes.

 

[Texashiker]

If you want to do whatever you want with your home and its publically viewable surroundings, stay the fuck out of HOAs.

I agree to stay out of HOAs, but,,, HOAs should understand that your right to freedom of political speech overrides any HOA rules.

Federal law, and especially individual rights, trumps local or state laws.

Did the people that make HOA rules sleep through high school government class or something? It seems that they have no grasp of what freedom of political speech means.

I think there was a case a few years ago that went all the way to the state or federal supreme court. The case was just like this one about a flag, and the HOA lost. How many times do we have to go through this? No HOA rules, local law, state law or federal law can prohibit people from making political opinions.

 

[Stuxnet]

Sorry, I don't see the problem with the HOA. HOA's can certainly get out of control, but they exist in many communities for a reason. When you live in a community like the one in the OP, what you do to your properly can drastically affect the values of other properties around you. Hence, an HOA.

If you want to turn your home into some sort of monstrosity, buy land out in the country. While I consider myself a patriot, sticking flag pole and flag in front of your house that is so disproportionate to the size of your yard/home just looks trashy and it's going to negatively impact your neighbors no matter how much you hate HOA's.

 

[Scotteq]

I don't see a problem here: The problem isn't that the HOA wants to prevent him flying (whatever) flag, it's that they don't want him erecting a 14 foot Flagpole.

Since HOA's do have and do enforce rules on whatever permanent (a flagpole that big wil need a concrete footing) and semi~permanent (shed... storage container..) structures you put on your property; their stance on the matter isn't out of bounds.

 

[lupi]

Excellent case of mutual destruction imminent by two opposing idiots. The only thing worse than stupid fucking hoa's are the people moving into them and then seeming surprised to find how fucking retarded they are.

 

[Bignate603]

Were the rules available to him before he moved in? If so, then I don't see what's wrong with the HOA's actions.

 

[MarkXIX]

I would love to fuck around with a retarded HOA at least once in life. I would find great pleasure in looking the retarded HOA president in the eye and calling him/her a "mildly retarded moron with a penchant for dumb fuckery and lunacy" at least once. Then I would piss on their mailbox and claim the land as my own. Doesn't that sound like fun?

 

[evident]

i think that HOA basically doesn't want to obstruct the groundskeeper/lawnmowers by having them circle around the flagpole. the article said he's still allowed to fly a flag, right? I know in my development you're allowed to flay a flag, but you need to mount it not on the ground.
I'm not sure what general HOA rule pisses me off more,the flag thing or that or some that don't allow you to hang clothes outside to dry

 

[actuarial]

I think there ought to be a FEDERAL law that prohibits any restriction on the flying of the US flag, as long as it's done properly and tastefully. I can see not allowing a 100 foot tall flagpole and 20x30 foot flag in a crowded residential neighborhood...but a 15-25' pole with an appropriately sized flag? Perfectly fine...and should be 100% legal.
Fuck those HOA assholes who try to restrict this freedom.

Right in your post you're suggesting the EXACT SAME THING the HOA is doing by restricting how to fly a flag based on what's tasteful. To you a 100' pole is not tasteful but a 15' pole is, to someone else a 15' pole is not tasteful but a flag on the house is. And their decision seems to be at least partially pragmatic - the pole would get in the way of their landscaping company (which all members would pay for) and would require electricity running to it.

And you feel that it should become FEDERAL law that enshrines what's tasteful, which is far worse than allowing citizens to voluntarily enter into a contract.

I think HOA's shouldn't be allowed, or at least shouldn't be a mandatory attachment to a property, but if they ARE allowed this decision doesn't outrage me in the least.