Imagine the irony if you were killed by an illegally purchased gun. EDIT: By today's standards and laws.
Imagine the irony if you were killed by an illegally purchased gun. EDIT: By today's standards and laws.
I'm sure requiring paperwork at gun shows wouldn't make it harder for criminals to get sniper rifles right?
I don't see law abiding citizens with guns protecting themselves from the sniper.
I don't see law abiding citizens with guns protecting themselves from the sniper.
glenn1
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A "sniper rifle" is simply a civilian rifle in a caliber well-suited to long distance shooting dressed up in military trim. For example, the US Army's M24 sniper rifle is simply a Remington 700 rifle in .308 Springfield caliber, paired with a Leupold scope. You can buy the same rifle at any gun store in America, probably at most Walmarts in America.
glenn1
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Oldsmoboat, check the Walmart site and you'll see this....
Product availability
Q: Why are there no firearms listed with the hunting equipment?
A: Certain legal restrictions prevent us from selling firearms over the Internet. Among those restrictions, every state requires identification that proves that a person buying a firearm is of legal age. Unfortunately, we have no way of verifying that people who wish to purchase firearms are of legal age.
We carry a broad variety of hunting related items at Walmart.com and hope you will have a look at our hunting selection. For firearms, please visit your local Wal-Mart store.
Product availability
Q: Why are there no firearms listed with the hunting equipment?
A: Certain legal restrictions prevent us from selling firearms over the Internet. Among those restrictions, every state requires identification that proves that a person buying a firearm is of legal age. Unfortunately, we have no way of verifying that people who wish to purchase firearms are of legal age.
We carry a broad variety of hunting related items at Walmart.com and hope you will have a look at our hunting selection. For firearms, please visit your local Wal-Mart store.
Pliablemoose
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You can if it's an in state sale between 2 adults...
Gunbroker.com BTW, since they found a .223 casing @ the scene, I'd be willing to bet it was a Mini-14 or an AR-15 that was used. Wal Mart sells Mini-14's. KMart just stopped.
Gunbroker.com BTW, since they found a .223 casing @ the scene, I'd be willing to bet it was a Mini-14 or an AR-15 that was used. Wal Mart sells Mini-14's. KMart just stopped.
BrunoPuntzJones
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Registration won't work. Sure it would in some cases, but for those intent on getting away with it there are too many things that can be altered. Like said before it could be re-barreled, modify the rifling, modify the bolt, etc. Anyone intent on circumventing registration would be able to do it. Then what about the millions that aren't registered?
And they haven't found what .223 he is using (or haven't said it). It could be a .22, .22 Hornady, .22-250, etc. There are tons of .223 classified rounds out there. What about the casing? Who's to say he didn't grab a case from a local range, or even an officers casing and throw it out?
And they haven't found what .223 he is using (or haven't said it). It could be a .22, .22 Hornady, .22-250, etc. There are tons of .223 classified rounds out there. What about the casing? Who's to say he didn't grab a case from a local range, or even an officers casing and throw it out?
I know it would be kinda new, since it was just for handguns, but has it been working? Have no idea, and since it's new may take a while to see.
Doubtful. I don't see why someone in CA couldn't buy one. It'd have to be shipped to an FFL, just like any other purchase.
Red Dawn
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Gun Freaks
Some whacko goes on a shooting spree and then some Anti Gun Nut writes an article and you guys come unglued. Don't you realize that the proliferation of Firearms makes outlawing guns impossible? On top of that there are to many Bubba's out there that would rather die than give up their Squirrel Guns.
The way I see it is if I want to kill someone and not get blood all over my hands, outside of a bomb or poison, A gun is my best option!
The way I see it is if I want to kill someone and not get blood all over my hands, outside of a bomb or poison, A gun is my best option!
BrunoPuntzJones
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Gun FreaksSome whacko goes on a shooting spree and then some Anti Gun Nut writes an article and you guys come unglued. Don't you realize that the proliferation of Firearms makes outlawing guns impossible? On top of that there are to many Bubba's out there that would rather die than give up their Squirrel Guns.
The way I see it is if I want to kill someone and not get blood all over my hands, outside of a bomb or poison, A gun is my best option!
Outright outlawing probably won't happen, but look at all the other acts, 34, 68 (?), 86, 94. It takes a little each time. There is all this shoo-in legislation and I don't see how it will always be knocked down (lets say dem pres/house/senate). A recent one wanted to outlaw shooting within 1000 feet of federal property or federally assisited stuff. That means ranges within 1000 feet of a highway built with federal funds would be closed. Enough people caught it and (assuming) got rid of it.
I'm sure there will be a push now for getting rid of those mean black rifles. It happened already in 94 with all the restrictions. Imports have to have so many parts made in the US. Guy in MD has already has his rifle taken to be tested. There are a lot of folks who would be against even that happening.
I don't think that the fact that the Media is calling this maniac a "sniper" means that he is actually using a sniper rifle.
And how would you have these citizens protect themselves against this guy? He could be a hundred yards away in the bushes.
Do not use Columbine as an example of why tracing guns is such a success. That tragedy is an example of why guns shouldn't be sold legally or illegally. I don't think there will be civil war anytime soon in the USA so why have guns?
That is my point. Non criminals having guns doesn't make them any safer. I'm not saying that guns should be outlawed, but gun fans need to stop using illogical arguments.
Why do people buy & keep guns ?
What is it for .. for hunting ? Target practice ? Protection? Hobby? Killing Rabbits ?
Please enlighten me why one needs a gun ... at all . unless you a cop/ security/military or sportsmen ?
I rather buy a tank and do my shopping trips in it .. if protection was the cause.
Maybe its my personal choice but what pleasure do you derive by keeping guns ?
Play UT /CS instead ...
Well NRA = largest lobby in Washington and in my opinion a terror organization helping gun makers.
However Charles Heston .. he is a father figure respected by lot.
Whatever bad is said about NRA the fact remains they have control over washington and they make sure it remains that way. That part is really commendable.
What is NRA's contribution to US as a whole ?
Bullets and blood ...lol
What is it for .. for hunting ? Target practice ? Protection? Hobby? Killing Rabbits ?
Please enlighten me why one needs a gun ... at all . unless you a cop/ security/military or sportsmen ?
I rather buy a tank and do my shopping trips in it .. if protection was the cause.
Maybe its my personal choice but what pleasure do you derive by keeping guns ?
Play UT /CS instead ...
Well NRA = largest lobby in Washington and in my opinion a terror organization helping gun makers.
However Charles Heston .. he is a father figure respected by lot.
Whatever bad is said about NRA the fact remains they have control over washington and they make sure it remains that way. That part is really commendable.
What is NRA's contribution to US as a whole ?
Bullets and blood ...lol
glenn1
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Why does it matter to you living in NYC or wherever you are, what the rest of the country does? You have nothing to fear by some farmer with a 12 gauge living in Nebraska somewhere, and taking his gun away won't make you one iota safer. Besides, it's none of your damn business what someone else's reason for owing a firearm is, any more than it's my business why you bought the particular make and model car you did.
NOBODY in the NRA would support the Maryland sniper
thanks for clearing that up, us non-members were wondering...
How dare someone take a cheap shot at the NRA? They are soo above that sort of thing...just don't run against one of their candidates in an election..
I love it when the gun-bozos get all defensive...."It's probably one of the 200 million un-registered guns"...is it good that we have 200 million unregistered guns in our country? Of course not, but any mention of a step taken to even try to clean that up is shot down by the NRA as the first step to take each and every gun away from anyone who legally owns one, which of course leaves us all vulnerable to our goverment taking everything away from us, and our ability to form a militia and overthrow said government will be gone...sigh..
Folks on both sides of the gun discussion, the "sniper" case has nothing to do with it, leave it alone..
thanks for clearing that up, us non-members were wondering...
How dare someone take a cheap shot at the NRA? They are soo above that sort of thing...just don't run against one of their candidates in an election..
I love it when the gun-bozos get all defensive...."It's probably one of the 200 million un-registered guns"...is it good that we have 200 million unregistered guns in our country? Of course not, but any mention of a step taken to even try to clean that up is shot down by the NRA as the first step to take each and every gun away from anyone who legally owns one, which of course leaves us all vulnerable to our goverment taking everything away from us, and our ability to form a militia and overthrow said government will be gone...sigh..
Folks on both sides of the gun discussion, the "sniper" case has nothing to do with it, leave it alone..
An armed populace is a free populace. That is why we keep guns. I would rather live with the danger of being shot by a fellow citizen than not being able to overthrow the government should it ever become defunct.
Oh, BTW...NRA is NOT the largest lobby in washington...by a long shot
Agreed but still, why keep guns when you have law enforcement around ? Give a reason good enough to convince me .. if you care to.
Perhaps I failed to understand your highly intellectual mind ... its been years since I went to Nebraska and met someone of your caliber.
And how many rapes, muggings, burglaries have been prevented by allowing guns ?
See the stats ...... please.
DC/Virginia has highest murder rates in the entire western civilized world much more then Belfast .. if you know where that is. VA is NRA's harem.
NRA = Al Queda ( thats my opinion why you give a damm what I think)
BrunoPuntzJones
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The ultimate result that a lot 2nd amendment supporters fear is the loss of power. Let's just say that they were all outlawed tomorrow or registered. You have the gov. knowing where every gun is and where to take it if that person should fall out of line. The power falls directly to the police, military, and government and there is nothing anyone could do. Granted such an idea is a little far out, but it scares a lot of people. Even your own government sells guns to the public. So apparently they feel that it is necessary to have civilians properly trained and armed should they ever be called upon. While it's a bit ridiculous that the rifles have to be paid for (as many were paid for once), the government established program is there to protect the people.
Like I said in the other thread, look at the UT tower incident. Civilians with rifles were able to shoot back, while police weren't equiped (police later made it to the tower and killed him). The Hollywood shoot out was helped by a pawn shop. Police didn't have anything that could shoot through the armor and turned to the store for rifles and ammo. Needed something with more stopping power than what they had.
Because you can't stop it. Gun control is like random airport searches. You make a big fuss about it, and you make a big show of strip searching infants and old ladies in wheel chairs, but in reality anyone determined enough to sneak a weapon onto an airplane is going to do it (and people have).
So all this "protection" does is make the innocent people's lives a lot harder, adds extra burden to the taxpayer, creates dissatisfaction because of how ineffectual the system is, and at the end of the day, the terrorists are doing what they've always done.
Likewise, gun control just makes it harder for normal people to get guns. Criminals don't register or buy their firearms legally (unless they are morons, which, admittedly, some are). Now someone like me (and I hate guns!) who wants to get a gun for hunting, target shooting, collecting, self-defense, or any other reason has to jump through a zillion hoops that are supposedly there to protect me, but in the end, Mr. Bad Guy is going to circumvent these measures.
As for why keep guns? Sport? Collections? It's not all about shooting other people. If you have a problem with people collecting guns, then do you also have a problem with people collecting knives, whips, blowguns, cars, and anything else that could potentially be used to harm a human being but has a zillion other legitimate uses at the same time?
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