Another American killed/beheaded by peaceful muslims

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Generalizations suck!

"Peaceful Catholics"--Northern Ireland, Spanish Inquisition, and a myriad of other actions

"Peaceful Americans"-- Timothy McVeigh, KKK, and a myriad of other actions against Natives

"Peaceful [insert whomever here]"

See how that works?

Would you call the people that beheaded that man "evil bastards"?

 

[rickn]

I guess if you value your head, you won't work in iraq.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Islam has produced a sick, sick culture. It is, in my opinion, completely worthless.

/me patiently waits for the tremendous outcry from the Islamic world denouncing this behavior from al-Zarqawi....

*tumbleweeds*

Yeah and bombing civilians is more just, is it not*?

You get what you give, place people in desperate situations and they WILL do desperate things, there is nothing strange about it.

 

[rickn]

or learn to sleep with one eye open

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: rickn
I guess if you value your head, you won't work in iraq.

Yeah...lets pull out...and put it on pay per view

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Garuda

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Why would anyone want to watch this video? All that does is give these bastards exactly what they want - attention.

This is a misconception.

These videos are not really intended to scare Westerners from coming to Iraq, that is just a secondary purpose.

The main purpose is to show it to Muslim kids all over the world, and get them excited about the Jihadi cause.

A video likes this reaffirms their faith in Allah. To them it's visual proof that he's crushing the infidels.

Yeah, it is not like when a US bomber bombs their neighbourhood they think that those who are fighting them who bombs them and tries to kill them are right...

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, uh.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: rickn
I guess if you value your head, you won't work in iraq.

Yeah...lets pull out...and put it on pay per view

I'm not referring to the military. these are civilian abductions. They know of the risk, cuz obviously the military cannot look out for them in a strange country. I don't see why this has to be newsworthy. They know the risk of working in iraq is their head.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: rickn
I guess if you value your head, you won't work in iraq.

Yeah...lets pull out...and put it on pay per view

I'm not referring to the military. these are civilian abductions. They know of the risk, cuz obviously the military cannot look out for them in a strange country. I don't see why this has to be newsworthy. They know the risk of working in iraq is their head.

But if we left, the civil war that might ensue might make great TV here in the states!

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: rickn
I guess if you value your head, you won't work in iraq.

Yeah...lets pull out...and put it on pay per view

I'm not referring to the military. these are civilian abductions. They know of the risk, cuz obviously the military cannot look out for them in a strange country. I don't see why this has to be newsworthy. They know the risk of working in iraq is their head.

But if we left, the civil war that might ensue might make great TV here in the states!

Just so long as they throw mike tyson into the center of it

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: rickn
I guess if you value your head, you won't work in iraq.

Yeah...lets pull out...and put it on pay per view

I'm not referring to the military. these are civilian abductions. They know of the risk, cuz obviously the military cannot look out for them in a strange country. I don't see why this has to be newsworthy. They know the risk of working in iraq is their head.

But if we left, the civil war that might ensue might make great TV here in the states!

Just so long as they throw mike tyson into the center of it

A sort of real life Running Man?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: Garuda

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Why would anyone want to watch this video? All that does is give these bastards exactly what they want - attention.

This is a misconception.

These videos are not really intended to scare Westerners from coming to Iraq, that is just a secondary purpose.

The main purpose is to show it to Muslim kids all over the world, and get them excited about the Jihadi cause.

A video likes this reaffirms their faith in Allah. To them it's visual proof that he's crushing the infidels.

I'm muslim and these videos doesn't excite me. It's amazing to see the same dumba$$es blaming Islam for what is happening in Iraq.

You, sir, are not quite getting it. I certainly blame Bush and his cronies for what is happening in Iraq. However, I put the blame squarely on Islam for producing a culture capable of glorifying this type of barbarity.

The videos may not "excite" you (I certainly hope not!), but nor do I hear you saying anything against them, nor the practice of beheading "infidels".

Do you put the blame on catholisism for IRA's actions? How about ETA's actions, how about the christians in africa who are killing and mutilating? Does that mean christianity is bad?

How about the bombers of abortion clinics? The Lebanese phalangists? The Serbs who committed genocide?

How about the Hindus who burn widows alive and pour acid in the faces of their wife so they can claim divorce?

You are blaming actions on a religion and generalizing all Muslims based on it, did you stop to think, even for a second that ALL violent fundamentalists are the same no matter which religion they adhere to?

No, of course you didn't because that would hit too damn close to home for a christian agnostic as yourself.

 

[0marTheZealot]

I am pretty sure hundreds of clerics have denounced this sort of action. It's simply not reported in the American press. Why would we? It'd put us on the same ground, removing a lot of fear from the WoT?. Once "they" and "us" get a common ground, it becomes much more harder to kill "them."

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: sandorski
Generalizations suck!

"Peaceful Catholics"--Northern Ireland, Spanish Inquisition, and a myriad of other actions

"Peaceful Americans"-- Timothy McVeigh, KKK, and a myriad of other actions against Natives

"Peaceful [insert whomever here]"

See how that works?

Would you call the people that beheaded that man "evil bastards"?

yup

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Yeah, it is not like when a US bomber bombs their neighbourhood they think that those who are fighting them who bombs them and tries to kill them are right...

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, uh.

Yes, I'm sure the people doing the beheading are doing it in the name of innocent civilians that were bombed. :roll:

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Do you put the blame on catholisism for IRA's actions? How about ETA's actions, how about the christians in africa who are killing and mutilating? Does that mean christianity is bad?

How about the bombers of abortion clinics? The Lebanese phalangists? The Serbs who committed genocide?

How about the Hindus who burn widows alive and pour acid in the faces of their wife so they can claim divorce?

You are blaming actions on a religion and generalizing all Muslims based on it, did you stop to think, even for a second that ALL violent fundamentalists are the same no matter which religion they adhere to?

No, of course you didn't because that would hit too damn close to home for a christian agnostic as yourself.

Catholics decried these actions and made efforts to stop them. When was the last time an abortion clinic was bombed or the IRA blew something up? Pro-active measures from higher-ups in the religion are the only way to reign in zealotry. Case in point: Al Sistani and Al Sadr.

 

[Tom]

As an American I feel that all Americans are at least in part responsible for what Americans do, including Timothy McVeigh, poverty, mistreatment of Native Americans, etc. It's my opinion that when enough of us feel this responsibility that occasionally we make some progress in correcting our own failures.

Now I don't believe that every Islamic terrorist represents all Islamic people, but there is a connection of some sort. And a big part of the war on terror will be when the part of the Islamic world that does not like the behavior of the terrorists, decides it's their responsibility to do something about it.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Yeah, it is not like when a US bomber bombs their neighbourhood they think that those who are fighting them who bombs them and tries to kill them are right...

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, uh.

Yes, I'm sure the people doing the beheading are doing it in the name of innocent civilians that were bombed. :roll:

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Do you put the blame on catholisism for IRA's actions? How about ETA's actions, how about the christians in africa who are killing and mutilating? Does that mean christianity is bad?

How about the bombers of abortion clinics? The Lebanese phalangists? The Serbs who committed genocide?

How about the Hindus who burn widows alive and pour acid in the faces of their wife so they can claim divorce?

You are blaming actions on a religion and generalizing all Muslims based on it, did you stop to think, even for a second that ALL violent fundamentalists are the same no matter which religion they adhere to?

No, of course you didn't because that would hit too damn close to home for a christian agnostic as yourself.

Catholics decried these actions and made efforts to stop them. When was the last time an abortion clinic was bombed or the IRA blew something up? Pro-active measures from higher-ups in the religion are the only way to reign in zealotry. Case in point: Al Sistani and Al Sadr.

About as long ago as the last terrorist attack in the US.

Neither Al Sistani nor Al Sadr were threats to the US before the invasion, your point is moot.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Tom
As an American I feel that all Americans are at least in part responsible for what Americans do, including Timothy McVeigh, poverty, mistreatment of Native Americans, etc. It's my opinion that when enough of us feel this responsibility that occasionally we make some progress in correcting our own failures.

Now I don't believe that every Islamic terrorist represents all Islamic people, but there is a connection of some sort. And a big part of the war on terror will be when the part of the Islamic world that does not like the behavior of the terrorists, decides it's their responsibility to do something about it.

Thank you.

Not all people are like you, actually few are, most of them are Christian fund-a-mental cases like Cyclo who would rather kill than appease yet claim to follow the words of Christ.

They are sooo goddamn ignorant of their own faith.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Of course if a non-muslimgroup did this and said those exact words in another language, everyone here would say it's a political fight.

bunch of bigots. Iraq is a political contest with religious overtones. Not a religious crusade.

Of course this is an irrelevant comparison, since non-muslim groups are NOT going around kidnapping and beheading people in front of a camera.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Tom
As an American I feel that all Americans are at least in part responsible for what Americans do, including Timothy McVeigh, poverty, mistreatment of Native Americans, etc. It's my opinion that when enough of us feel this responsibility that occasionally we make some progress in correcting our own failures.

Now I don't believe that every Islamic terrorist represents all Islamic people, but there is a connection of some sort. And a big part of the war on terror will be when the part of the Islamic world that does not like the behavior of the terrorists, decides it's their responsibility to do something about it.

Thank you.

Not all people are like you, actually few are, most of them are Christian fund-a-mental cases like Cyclo who would rather kill than appease yet claim to follow the words of Christ.

They are sooo goddamn ignorant of their own faith.

It's amazing that you claim to know so much about my personal faith. It's also amazing that you assume I'd kill anyone. It's further amazing that you have not been censured on this forum for posting nothing but personal attacks in every thread. I'm even more amazed that you haven't recently sent me a PM to tell me how many wars you've fought in. Before you try to criticize anyone else's religion, why not go back and read the ten commandments, then tell me how your post coincides with them.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Tom
As an American I feel that all Americans are at least in part responsible for what Americans do, including Timothy McVeigh, poverty, mistreatment of Native Americans, etc. It's my opinion that when enough of us feel this responsibility that occasionally we make some progress in correcting our own failures.

Now I don't believe that every Islamic terrorist represents all Islamic people, but there is a connection of some sort. And a big part of the war on terror will be when the part of the Islamic world that does not like the behavior of the terrorists, decides it's their responsibility to do something about it.

Thank you.

Not all people are like you, actually few are, most of them are Christian fund-a-mental cases like Cyclo who would rather kill than appease yet claim to follow the words of Christ.

They are sooo goddamn ignorant of their own faith.

It's amazing that you claim to know so much about my personal faith. It's also amazing that you assume I'd kill anyone. It's further amazing that you have not been censured on this forum for posting nothing but personal attacks in every thread. I'm even more amazed that you haven't recently sent me a PM to tell me how many wars you've fought in. Before you try to criticize anyone else's religion, why not go back and read the ten commandments, then tell me how your post coincides with them.

You will have to excuse me if i thought that you followed the teachings of Christ, you have mentioned doing so yourself.

The ten commandments?

There are three religons that would adhere to it, Judaism, Islam and christianity.

Many seem to forget about them, you are one of those.

You do not follow the teachings of the Christ, you follow your own agenda of death and murder, do not pretend that you are better, just realize who you are and that what you follow is NOT the teachings of Christ.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Islam has the same tenets as Judaism and Christanity. There are commands not to kill innocent human beings, not to harm individuals for actions of groups, etc etc. When McVeigh bombed OK, did we rush to generalize all Christians as such? When Hitler killed 12 million "others" in the name of eugenics and Christianity, did we generalize his actions to the whole of Christainity. The answer is a resounding NO. However, when a single group of "muslims" commit atrocities, we are quick to generalize their actions as being representative of the group as a whole, and condemning a religion to barbarism.

First off, Islamic society is the way it is right now because of Western interventions. Despots, such as our hated Saddam Hussein, were propped up and supported throughout the modern history of the Middle East. Remember, Saddam was thrust into power because we need a hegemony in the ME. When he gassed his people, we looked the other way, in fact we didn't care as long as he continued his ruinous war against Iran, whos Western leader was overthrown in a (much needed) revolution. He learned the gruesome trade of torture from the British and got his materials from there as well. This story is repeated ad nausum throughout the ME. Despots usually stay in power by subjugating their peoples. Look at the history of nearly every dictorial country. Cambodia (pol pot), Vietnam (Ho chi Minh), Soviet Russia (the gulags setup by Stalin), China under Mao Tse Tung, etc etc etc. The ME is no different. However, our media has done a tremoundous job of alienating those peoples (arabs) into being a vicious pack of animals, when the opposite is true. They are just as compassionate and as human as the rest of us. However, hearing that will undermine the fear-mongering set in place by the Administration and the Media.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Islam has the same tenets as Judaism and Christanity. There are commands not to kill innocent human beings, not to harm individuals for actions of groups, etc etc. When McVeigh bombed OK, did we rush to generalize all Christians as such? When Hitler killed 12 million "others" in the name of eugenics and Christianity, did we generalize his actions to the whole of Christainity. The answer is a resounding NO. However, when a single group of "muslims" commit atrocities, we are quick to generalize their actions as being representative of the group as a whole, and condemning a religion to barbarism.

First off, Islamic society is the way it is right now because of Western interventions. Despots, such as our hated Saddam Hussein, were propped up and supported throughout the modern history of the Middle East. Remember, Saddam was thrust into power because we need a hegemony in the ME. When he gassed his people, we looked the other way, in fact we didn't care as long as he continued his ruinous war against Iran, whos Western leader was overthrown in a (much needed) revolution. He learned the gruesome trade of torture from the British and got his materials from there as well. This story is repeated ad nausum throughout the ME. Despots usually stay in power by subjugating their peoples. Look at the history of nearly every dictorial country. Cambodia (pol pot), Vietnam (Ho chi Minh), Soviet Russia (the gulags setup by Stalin), China under Mao Tse Tung, etc etc etc. The ME is no different. However, our media has done a tremoundous job of alienating those peoples (arabs) into being a vicious pack of animals, when the opposite is true. They are just as compassionate and as human as the rest of us. However, hearing that will undermine the fear-mongering set in place by the Administration and the Media.

VERY well said.

Many people are surprised that i take a stance against or for any of the other religions, but right is right and wrong is wrong no matter which religion you adhere to, i have however been asked to stop and not mention the faults of "my" people, i do not agree with that, every nation, race, religion, individual is responsible for acttions they commit.

I will comment on Jews, Muslims and Christians, Hindus and Buddhists as i see fit.