Anonymous outs alleged Amanda Todd bully

[HamburgerBoy]

Because, anyone can say that a skirt is short. It is a matter of subjectivity.

For example, some people think a skirt that is more than 3 inches above the knee is short. I do not. I think a short skirt is something comes dangerously close to showing your undergarments (much higher than 3inches!).

What is a short skirt to you?

And yes, was can absolutely state that her actions led to her being drunk. She cannot possibly be responsible for being raped since it was an action committed by SOMEONE ELSE.

When did I excuse the actions of the perpetrator in Amanda's case? I never did.

This would have never happened to her if she didn't flash her breasts. Exactly the same as the woman getting drunk in your hypothetical situation.

So...how did the "entire school" end up against Amanda in the first place? She said it was because she flashed her breasts during a video chat right? She also admitted to sleeping with another girl's boyfriend.

So really...is it the whole Worlds' fault that Amanda made bad decisions and people gave her shit for it?

Do you really think she has no personal accountability for her actions?

Idiot.

Something like that. She claimed she was hanging out in a video chat with some other people and that they asked her to flash. She obliged and

...its everyone else's fault.

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[SheHateMe]

It's COMPLETELY deniable, and completely FALSE.

The guy didn't blackmail her because she flashed him. He blackmailed her because he's a SCUMBAG that should be locked up for his crimes.

Her poor judgment doesn't excuse his CRIMINAL behavior. She's responsible for what she did (NOT criminal), and he's responsible for what he did (BEYOND criminal).

Okay...and I never said he was excused. Flashing her breasts allowed him a reason to blackmail and harass her. Did it not?

More specifically, I am trying to ask you that if he had never seen Amanda's breasts...would have motivation and power to ruin her life as he did?

He's a scumbag of course and he should be punished for what he did. Its sickening. I never refuted that.

She's responsible for what she did (NOT criminal), and he's responsible for what he did (BEYOND criminal).

Once again, not only are you another person reinforcing my stance that she is responsible for what she did. But you're also yet another poster making it seem like I am not holding the blackmailer responsible.

 

[SheHateMe]

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In the last quote you posted, I was clearly mocking one of the posters above me. I have never changed my stance from holding Amanda responsible for her personal actions. Each post you quoted was consistent with my belief that she is responsible for the actions perpetrated on her part.

There has been a number of people in here blaming society for her flashing her breasts. Keep taking my comments out of context to suit your argument.

404 Amnesia not found.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yep, you're not even worth my time buddy. Something is wrong with you.

I'm not going to even touch on the question of why I am being asked if I'm a Muslim.

Seems i have a few extra minutes, if you want to know.

You seem to have this "she did something immoral BURN THE BITCH" kind of attitude to this that i mostly see in Muslims in my work and in conservative christians on this forum.

So that is why.

 

[arkcom]

She's responsible for what she did (NOT criminal), and he's responsible for what he did (BEYOND criminal).

Distributing child pornography is criminal, which she did.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Okay...and I never said he was excused. Flashing her breasts allowed him a reason to blackmail and harass her. Did it not?

First of all, "allowed him a reason" is incoherent.

Second, if i am to guess what that means i have to say that no, it did not "allow him a reason" to blackmail and harass her, it provided him with a means to do so but no reason and he certainly wasn't allowed to do so.

 

[Newbian]

Distributing child pornography is criminal, which she did.

Kids doing this have been arrested before but generally they don't go to prison for long if at all.

 

[SheHateMe]

rea·son   [ree-zuhn]
noun
1.
a basis or cause, as for some belief, action, fact, event, etc.: the reason for declaring war.
2.
a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action.


etc.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Distributing child pornography is criminal, which she did.

It most certainly is not illegal for a minor to show her breasts.

It isn't illegal for a minor to have sex with an adult either, just so you know. The law is there to protect minors, not incriminate them.

Did this forum get invaded by the extra special stupid kids squad recently?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

rea·son   [ree-zuhn]
noun
1.
a basis or cause, as for some belief, action, fact, event, etc.: the reason for declaring war.
2.
a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action.


etc.

Where is the justification in the adult's case?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

rea·son   [ree-zuhn]
noun
1.
a basis or cause, as for some belief, action, fact, event, etc.: the reason for declaring war.
2.
a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action.


etc.

Yes i know what it means. Do i need to repeat my post?

Just so you know it, you can't allow someone a reason, what you meant to say is that she provided the means for him.

Free of charge for this one but in the future you'll have to either find another tutor or pay me for it.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Kids doing this have been arrested before but generally they don't go to prison for long if at all.

Wait, are you saying that in the US it's illegal for an underaged girl to show her breasts to an adult?

 

[Newbian]

It most certainly is not illegal for a minor to show her breasts.

Really?

You might want to google that and you will see cases of it being considered cp when they do it.

Not as harsh a crime when adults get arrested for cp but minors can be arrested for it.

 

[SheHateMe]

It most certainly is not illegal for a minor to show her breasts.

It isn't illegal for a minor to have sex with an adult either, just so you know. The law is there to protect minors, not incriminate them.

Did this forum get invaded by the extra special stupid kids squad recently?

Under federal law (18 U.S.C. §2256), child pornography1 is defined as any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where

the production of the visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

the visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

the visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
Federal law (18 U.S.C. §1466A) also criminalizes knowingly producing, distributing, receiving, or possessing with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting, that

depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or

depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
Sexually explicit conduct is defined under federal law (18 U.S.C. §2256) as actual or simulated sexual intercourse (including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex), bestiality, masturbation, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person.

I'm sure you can read, so I won't bother to highlight. Minors and Adults will be prosecuted for creating and distributing child porn.

There is no grey area for prosecution. Child porn is illegal..no matter if a child was the one who produced and distributed it.

 

[Newbian]

Wait, are you saying that in the US it's illegal for an underaged girl to show her breasts to an adult?

Distributing cp is illegal in a lot of places.

I have seen cases in a lot more then just the US.

 

[arkcom]

It most certainly is not illegal for a minor to show her breasts.

It isn't illegal for a minor to have sex with an adult either, just so you know. The law is there to protect minors, not incriminate them.

Did this forum get invaded by the extra special stupid kids squad recently?

Yes, it is illegal. There have been cases where an minor girl sends pics to her minor boyfriend, and both got charged.

 

[arkcom]

Anyway, doesn't much matter at this point.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Really?

You might want to google that and you will see cases of it being considered cp when they do it.

Not as harsh a crime when adults get arrested for cp but minors can be arrested for it.

I'm sorry, i live in a sane society.

I was not aware that in the US it's criminal for kids to be naked.

 

[SheHateMe]

Btw, a "reason" can be the same thing as a "cause"...a cause is also the same thing as having a "means" to do something.

means
verb (used with object)

5.
to bring, cause, or produce as a result: This bonus means that we can take a trip to Florida.

Also, what do you mean you can't give someone a reason to do something?

 

[sixone]

Okay...and I never said he was excused. Flashing her breasts allowed him a reason to blackmail and harass her. Did it not?

More specifically, I am trying to ask you that if he had never seen Amanda's breasts...would have motivation and power to ruin her life as he did?

He's a scumbag of course and he should be punished for what he did. Its sickening. I never refuted that.

No, it did not. She UNKNOWINGLY gave him an opportunity to act on his scumbag desires - the choice to take that opportunity was HIS.

Was she wrong to trust him? Of course she was. But if he'd told her what he would do, we can't assume that she would have made the same choice.

Once again, not only are you another person reinforcing my stance that she is responsible for what she did. But you're also yet another poster making it seem like I am not holding the blackmailer responsible.

She was 11 years old, and wasn't capable of accurately assessing the risk she was taking. The human brain isn't fully formed until age 25ish. That's a scientific FACT.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yes, it is illegal. There have been cases where an minor girl sends pics to her minor boyfriend, and both got charged.

That is one insane of excuse of a society where this is illegal considering that them having sex wouldn't be illegal. (right?)

Sometimes you have to question whether a law makes sense and adjust the system to deal with the law in a manner that makes sense.

 

[Newbian]

I'm sorry, i live in a sane society.

I was not aware that in the US it's criminal for kids to be naked.

It has to do with distributing cp and it's rare but it happens everywhere.

Generally it happens when the bf / gf shares the pictures enough that adults find out and many get in trouble including the person that exposed themselves.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Yeah going back to read his posts he has mental problems. Still doesn't change the fact that you can't be bullied in this scenario because he has no knowledge of you personally or any power over you in any way. It's just a lame duck argument and it annoys me that it keeps getting used in this thread.

By the very definition of bullying, neither of the things you said are required to bully, so why are you either lieing or intentionally spreading misinformation?

 

[SheHateMe]

No, it did not. She UNKNOWINGLY gave him an opportunity to act on his scumbag desires - the choice to take that opportunity was HIS.

Was she wrong to trust him? Of course she was. But if he'd told her what he would do, we can't assume that she would have made the same choice.



She was 11 years old, and wasn't capable of accurately assessing the risk she was taking. The human brain isn't fully formed until age 25ish. That's a scientific FACT.

Unknowingly giving him an opportunity to take advantage of her is STILL a consequence of her actions. Obviously, we can assess that had she known he would be a creep and blackmail her(had she known who she was flashing at all..she said she didn't know him) and the affect of her actions...she probably wouldn't have done it.

You're right, we can't assume she would have made the same choice.

How is this any different from me holding her responsible for her actions?


She was 11...and she made a bad choice do to her immaturity...but does it make her irresponsible for her actions?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Btw, a "reason" can be the same thing as a "cause"...a cause is also the same thing as having a "means" to do something.

means
verb (used with object)

5.
to bring, cause, or produce as a result: This bonus means that we can take a trip to Florida.

Also, what do you mean you can't give someone a reason to do something?

Again, you cannot allow anyone a reason.

You can absolutely give someone a reason to do something, but you can't allow someone a reason since reason is personal and cannot be allowed or disallowed.